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Xendie
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:06:00 -
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as far as i know about the finfleet thing is that it is not a "lawsuit" as americans think, it is a criminal charge filed by a webserver/teamspeak server owner over a pretexting incident wich is regarded as a criminal act in finland as it is in most european countries wich has computer laws. the webserver/teamspeak owner had his servers located on finish soil thus they fall under finish law. even though the perpetrator lives in denmark he can be legally tried and convicted since in the european union the police and court systems work together to a certain degree when it comes to crimes that involves people involved in computer crimes and crimes that intersects the different countries borders. it may take some time for it to be sorted but he could technically be sent to prison or face heavy fines for his pretexting crimes.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Watauga Just assuming for a moment that the case were to be heard, who would you serve a subpoena to? You would have to have a real name and a real address. Unless that is public knowledge, you most likely have to go through CCP and that brings up privacy and First Amendment(US Constitution) issues. That litigation alone would be very expensive and possibly attract some RL international press.
the american first amendment dont give ppl the right to commit crimes and especially not in other countries. it gives you the right to free speach iirc in the united states of america.
when you lets say use a forum on a webserver located in lets say in iceland your right to free speach isnt worth anything as you have to abide by the rules set by the webserver and forum owner and the laws of that country. and the person would be contacted and notified/arrested(if the crime is severe) by his country's law enforcement on behalf of his justice system that works together on international crimes with other countries law enforment agencies. the wheels of justice isnt the fastest as you know but they usually get to the end of the pile sometime. the police in both countries would assist eachother and there are certain procedures that are in place for international cooperation between law enforcements.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Helganstandt I'm beginning to worry about you guys, it almost seems as if some of you are taking this seriously. Where has common sense gone these days...
they posted wrong information of what was going on and i just corrected them with a more accurate piece of information regarding the "finfleet" incident and the procedures that could/would take place.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Percival Diddly Id love to see the Court TV on this one...
once again a very american view wich has no relevance at all to what has happened as there are no americans involved and the webserver/teamspeak server was not under american jurisdiction.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gurgling CEO
Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 24/02/2007 05:50:19 Just give the Finish a separate cluster like the chinese if this lawsuit has legal merit in Finland.
Actually FinFleet havent been finnish only corp for a long time, so god knows who started this crap.
iirc the webserver/teamspeak server that was accessed illegally was in finland thus under the jurisdiction of finnish laws. doesnt matter if the members of the corp are 98% samoan or whatever.
and for blackhorizon, criminal charges not a lawsuit. big difference.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword From what I heard, the Finfleet guy who came up with that idiotic suing idea rest his case form the fact that some OOG forums (Finfleet corp forum?) require you to declare that your registration informations are exact, and a spy would obviously have to enter false informations.
Maybe it can stand in court, maybe not, but this is utterly pathetic regardless. To try to extract IRL vengeance for a wrong done in a game, because you can't avenge yourself in said game, is just mind-bogglingly pathetic.
tbh i think its equally pathetic to cheat in a game using OOG tactics, metagaming tactics and exploits.
fact still remains that finfleet is perfectly within their legal rights to file criminal charges towards that person however lame and petty any of us think it is.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: elchief hey so bob must be sh*ttin it about now... d2 could sue em for the alt that got there titan AND the value of the titan in $$$ or isk ????? where will it end lol traders sueing pirates!!!!!
no they cant as that loss was used by what i and many others consider exploiting gamemechanics to gain a illegal advantage ingame.
however CCP has considered it a legal and valid tactic wich leads everyone else to draw the conclusion that the rules regarding exploits can be bent quite alot before CCP can claim anything is a bannable offense for a "exploit"
note that this however might not be how CCP sees it but rather the general consensus of many eve players that i have talked to about it.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Itzena LV are doing their damned to avoid the "Dying with some dignity" thing, aren't they?
i wasnt aware that they had any
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 24/02/2007 11:41:29 Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 24/02/2007 11:40:53 Edit: Reading the last bit: Xendie: You are making alot of assumptions regarding which rules apply when, when on the internet and when said use gives one sovereign entity the right to prosecute a citizen of another sovereign entity.
its not assumptions, in sweden as in most eropean countries the jusrisdiction is where the physical server is located. iirc the EU has a collaboration treaty regarding law enforcment actions regarding crimes across the borders.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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