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Minigin
Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.24 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Heldane This is quite possibly the stupidest, and at the same time most awesome thing I have ever heard.
To think that these people take it so seriously as to even consider the notion of sueing a person over something that happened in a game is just insane on some level.
I think these fellows need to take a break from playing for a bit and go outside.
careful what you say >_> they may sue you too.
i need some RL t2 tinfoil hats for this **** >_>
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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.24 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Heldane This is quite possibly the stupidest, and at the same time most awesome thing I have ever heard.
To think that these people take it so seriously as to even consider the notion of sueing a person over something that happened in a game is just insane on some level.
I think these fellows need to take a break from playing for a bit and go outside.
As long as there is Real money to be made or lost they will be serious. Football, Soccer, Basket ball all sports with a very serious dangers on spying.
You can account, the lost in eve-online to man hours lost and work from there. -----------
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Duke Grail
Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.24 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: evistin
Originally by: Heldane This is quite possibly the stupidest, and at the same time most awesome thing I have ever heard.
To think that these people take it so seriously as to even consider the notion of sueing a person over something that happened in a game is just insane on some level.
I think these fellows need to take a break from playing for a bit and go outside.
As long as there is Real money to be made or lost they will be serious. Football, Soccer, Basket ball all sports with a very serious dangers on spying.
You can account, the lost in eve-online to man hours lost and work from there.
But you can't put a monatary value on the time spent in eve.
In Real life situations, a person stands to lose "REAL LIFE CURRENCY" but in eve, according to the EULA, CCP's "Internet Space Game Character" that you control loses "Internet Space Game currency", There is no value to time that is spent in eve because there is no money to be made in eve (according to the rules). If this lawsuit is taken seriously than maybe CCP should just make a separate server for the Fin's to play on like the Chinese server since they have to play by different rules than the rest of us.
For real people, i can't believe you're serious.
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Mimiru
Gallente BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.24 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Mimiru on 24/02/2007 04:49:15 Ragnar joined finfleet?
I never thought Shadow_Stalker was the goonish type
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: evistin
Originally by: Heldane This is quite possibly the stupidest, and at the same time most awesome thing I have ever heard.
To think that these people take it so seriously as to even consider the notion of sueing a person over something that happened in a game is just insane on some level.
I think these fellows need to take a break from playing for a bit and go outside.
As long as there is Real money to be made or lost they will be serious. Football, Soccer, Basket ball all sports with a very serious dangers on spying.
You can account, the lost in eve-online to man hours lost and work from there.
You can also account man hours for a game of chess. Can I sue people for losing at chess. Because I suck at chess, and theres money to be made!
If they are refering to isk->RL dollar conversions, then implied but not stated is the assumption that finnfleet must be gold farming or selling characters. If thats the case, then perhaps CCP ought be doing some investigating here, because that is not something thats particularly acceptable under the EULA. And they've specifically stated you are NOT allowed to sell CCP's property (*everything* ingame, including your characters belong to CCP, not you).
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Ademius Knortak
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
You can also account man hours for a game of chess. Can I sue people for losing at chess. Because I suck at chess, and theres money to be made!
I doubt that. You knew the risks and joined on your own. Same goes for EvE -> your own fault if you are beaten with game mechanics. No court in this world will do more then laugh about such cases. If it is about meta gaming (spying), your out of luck as well as long as the information was gotten trough social engineering (as that should be seen as in-game) not violation of RL property etc like hacking.
Whatever it is
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Kael Zeratul
The Huns Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:27:00 -
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One of the dumbest things I have seen on the internet in my life. Thanks for making my week.
(In be for lock) Sig coming soon to a forum near you |
Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:28:00 -
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Weird
Unless you can invalidate the EULA though, I don't see any way this case could proceed.
Its just a waste of taxpayers money no matter which country such a suit is brought.
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patteSatan
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:40:00 -
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It's only CCP that can invalidate the EULA, so good job LV at making you look more stupid than ever.
<br> ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: patteSatan It's only CCP that can invalidate the EULA, so good job LV at making you look more stupid than ever.
No EULA has withstood US or European courts if you look at case law. It is a dangerous thing to try to invalidate it though because you open up a whole can of worms.
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BlackHorizon
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHorizon on 24/02/2007 05:50:19 Just give the Finish a separate cluster like the chinese if this lawsuit has legal merit in Finland.
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Shamus Kain
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:53:00 -
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Wow ! are my eyes bleeding? I didn't read anything except the first post and all the alliances that posted on this thread, but it looks more like AAA IAC and Pandemic Legion are all announcing their plan for a lawsuit!
Shamus
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:56:00 -
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the only lawsuit worthy actions ive seen in eve would be hacking. hacking anything from ts to forums is a federal offensive in teh US, and international law also forbids it.
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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patteSatan
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.24 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
Originally by: patteSatan It's only CCP that can invalidate the EULA, so good job LV at making you look more stupid than ever.
No EULA has withstood US or European courts if you look at case law. It is a dangerous thing to try to invalidate it though because you open up a whole can of worms.
I know, but I think you also know what I meant.
<br> ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
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PDoggy
Minmatar Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.24 06:24:00 -
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Quote:
Well guys, I guess it's probably jailtime for me.
It seems that by doing EVE spying for goonfleet, I have violated numerous serious and important laws in the state of Finland, and I might be whipped publically and/or given a lethal injection.
I had a character in Finfleet (LV) for about two months while we were at war with the Soco. At some point in December, I was caught and they promised severe e-legal e-consequences. At the time I laughed (I still do), and didn't really think they were serious.
At some point during a Burn Eden TS session during downtime, a LV member claimed that they had actually reported me to the police, for reading their forums (which they invited me to join).
Curious if I was facing e-peril for my e-spying, I contacted a FinFleet member who had filed the complaint with the local police.
It appears that on December 14th, Boogey from FinFleet reported me to local autorities, with board logs and entries, for stealing vital and secret ingame information. They are currently investigating, and I anxiously await Finnish agents breaking into my appartment, drugging me and dragging me to Finland for trials and torture.
I told him that if it ever came to actually going to court, I would not take advantage of the primitive Finnish system that allows you to be conviced in absentia, but cancel whatever I was doing to go to Finland. I also told him that if I ever came to Finland for the e-atrocities I've commited, I expected FinFleet to come drinking with me. He did not respond to this and this caused my morale to go down by atleast four points. Reporting me to the police is fine, but not wanting to get wasted with me is taking the game a bit too seriously.
Regardless, I'm eagerly awaiting Finnish e-laywers to contact me about my e-crimes, and I'm hoping it's soon, because I'm running out of patience, and planning a vacation to Finland requires some notice for me.
Basically, the premise is that there is a Finnish that protects information on the internet, and since the server is in Finland, and the stuff on the board is private, they claim that what I did was illegal.
I supposed I ought to get an e-laywer.
There are at least five lawyers on the GoonSwarm directorate and a few more in law school - Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris |
Oxana Ptotemkish
Caldari GeoTech Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.24 06:30:00 -
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Bah gotta take the kid to the park--so haven't read 100% of the thread . . .
BUT if this is true . . .
1. It'll make some news somewhere like mmorpg.com and perhaps Jerry Springer
2. It sounds a bit nuts.
3. Can D2 hire FinFleets lawyers to sue for a new Titan 'cos of the BoB spy?
4. Can I get my Buddhist meditation centre to contact Finfleet to give them chill out tips?
Yours in insanity,
Oxana
"The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education."-- Paul Feyerabend |
Vodka Neat
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.24 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: FowlPlayChiken the only lawsuit worthy actions ive seen in eve would be hacking. hacking anything from ts to forums is a federal offensive in teh US, and international law also forbids it.
Thats where your right. I believe that they would sue for "hacking" their TS or Forum since they got access under false identifacation.
Since that has nothing to do with CCP and they own the rights to the TS or Forum and both services cost money that is how they would show a loss of both actual (bandwidth, user licences) and intelectual (classified information, etc.)I don't think it is right but they might have a leg to stand on.
-Why don't the NPC pilots have pods?- |
Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.02.24 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vodka Neat
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken the only lawsuit worthy actions ive seen in eve would be hacking. hacking anything from ts to forums is a federal offensive in teh US, and international law also forbids it.
Thats where your right. I believe that they would sue for "hacking" their TS or Forum since they got access under false identifacation.
Since that has nothing to do with CCP and they own the rights to the TS or Forum and both services cost money that is how they would show a loss of both actual (bandwidth, user licences) and intelectual (classified information, etc.)I don't think it is right but they might have a leg to stand on.
Was the character in question a member of LV. If so they don't really have a leg to stand on. He would have applied to the teamspeak as a member of LV, and been accepted because he was a member of LV.
Otherwise BoB and LV themselves would be liable for a great deal of such actions in the past....
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Sarah Meiskin
Fatalix Inc. Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.24 07:15:00 -
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RL Lawsuits over Internetz... Been there!
An unnamed person in my corp, [FXI] at the time of this post, in another MMO a while back faced charges by one of the GM's of the game IRL for Harrassment because he created a YTMND of the person after they'd posted their RL picture on the forums. He was later forced to delete the YTMND from Legal Pressure :\
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.24 07:32:00 -
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hahahahaa hohohohohohohoh hehehehehehehe hihihihihihihihihi..
Oki just cuz he says and threaten with something, does it acctully mean he will do it?? Stop listen to everything and think... I wouner what the world would look if everything said or written in this game come true....
Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes
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Uinen
Amarr Backup Squad
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Posted - 2007.02.24 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sigmorhair Comedy gold. People in Finland threatening to sue people in the US for blowing up internet space ships on a server in Iceland.
ZOMG YOU WIN THIS THREAD SO FAR!
But seriously, how lov LV can go? I know goons are changing ppl in this game. Some players hate goons after trying to kill them for so long. It happened before its now happening to LV.
Go goons, kill bob fanboys.
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Don Yokushi
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.02.24 07:36:00 -
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Old news.
http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?t=109
I know some people on here probably don't like kugutsumen, but there's a lot of info about the issue on that page. As in, pretty much everything you would want or need to know.
Haven't seen anything since though, so I'm figuring it's pretty much dead. Then again, who knows. Maybe in a year from now we'll hear the Finnish government demanding changes to international law against issues like this.
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Farham
Gallente AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.02.24 07:38:00 -
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Quote: are you on LSD? RL lawsuits for ingame actions?
Just to be clear, Team Speak servers and Forum hosts are OUT of game entities. I have no idea what this particular thread is about but I can see someone who has the appropriate backround in being able to ID people who "gain access" through illegal manners to said TS or Forum entities....having a case in "the real world".
In fact, if you are shrewd and use people in your corp to pursue those charges in many countries due to your alliance/corporations population you just might be able to get civil or even criminal charges levied against some of the actions that are rumored to have taken place in EVE recently.
More than one country in the EU and the U.S. have laws on the books about such "illegal entry".
If the right "buzz words" are used in the complaint all sorts of clandestine governmental agencies are easily brought into the matter.
Spying in game is one thing, hacking PHP vulnerabilities on out of game message boards is entirely different.
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SpaceMonkey
Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.24 07:57:00 -
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Get f00kin life.... seriously.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:06:00 -
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as far as i know about the finfleet thing is that it is not a "lawsuit" as americans think, it is a criminal charge filed by a webserver/teamspeak server owner over a pretexting incident wich is regarded as a criminal act in finland as it is in most european countries wich has computer laws. the webserver/teamspeak owner had his servers located on finish soil thus they fall under finish law. even though the perpetrator lives in denmark he can be legally tried and convicted since in the european union the police and court systems work together to a certain degree when it comes to crimes that involves people involved in computer crimes and crimes that intersects the different countries borders. it may take some time for it to be sorted but he could technically be sent to prison or face heavy fines for his pretexting crimes.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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MegabitOne
Caldari The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Duke Grail
But you can't put a monatary value on the time spent in eve.
In Real life situations, a person stands to lose "REAL LIFE CURRENCY" but in eve, according to the EULA, CCP's "Internet Space Game Character" that you control loses "Internet Space Game currency", There is no value to time that is spent in eve because there is no money to be made in eve (according to the rules). If this lawsuit is taken seriously than maybe CCP should just make a separate server for the Fin's to play on like the Chinese server since they have to play by different rules than the rest of us.
Well, I think you could convert Isk to RL currencies. Just have a look at (illegal) 1b Isk for 120$ offers on the internet.
So if you just lost a 5b ship, that would be a loss of $600 irl. Cos if you sold the ship, you would have 5b and if you sold that on the internet, you'ld have $600.
Imagine that FF was being slaughtered because GS had inside intel from one of their spies in FF and FF lost say 15b in ships, mods, poses etc. That would be a whopping $1800. People start lawsuits for much less than that!
Also, the (legit) way of switching ingame Isk for a gaming card is a way of calculating the worth of Isk in dollars.
But the lawsuit in itself is ridiculous of course... --- I'm not as bad-ass as some of my corp mates, but I'll pwn you anyway!
-= In God we trust, all the others pay cash =- |
Dao 2
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dao 2 on 24/02/2007 08:06:40 Edited by: Dao 2 on 24/02/2007 08:06:04 plz plz post the char name of the guy that filed it ;p
and for the person that did, plz go cancel all ur accounts
then go infront of a mirror and slap urself repeatdly, and never sign up for or play eve again :|
yeah so what if it isnt lv or finfleet doing it as a group? kick the loser or be shamed with it
edit: on the legal side ;p im no lawyer but technically he stole no information since he was freely given access to the teamspeak server and forum and didnt "steal" it at all. isnt that right or something o_0?
edit: he probably didnt like he just didnt say that he had a char in gs? ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Watauga
Minmatar Imperial Guardians
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:15:00 -
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Just assuming for a moment that the case were to be heard, who would you serve a subpoena to? You would have to have a real name and a real address. Unless that is public knowledge, you most likely have to go through CCP and that brings up privacy and First Amendment(US Constitution) issues. That litigation alone would be very expensive and possibly attract some RL international press.
Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Klaaswitz
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Klaaswitz on 24/02/2007 08:21:13 You hear that noise?
It's the sound of a 100.000 men sized community lolling.
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shaun 27
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:27:00 -
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only got one thing to say about this is lol. i feel sry for pirates people may start sueing them because they lost ships :)
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