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Tetsujin
Caldari Band of Brosefs
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Frehley hahahahaa hohohohohohohoh hehehehehehehe hihihihihihihihihi..
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Dao 2
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: MegabitOne
Originally by: Duke Grail
But you can't put a monatary value on the time spent in eve.
In Real life situations, a person stands to lose "REAL LIFE CURRENCY" but in eve, according to the EULA, CCP's "Internet Space Game Character" that you control loses "Internet Space Game currency", There is no value to time that is spent in eve because there is no money to be made in eve (according to the rules). If this lawsuit is taken seriously than maybe CCP should just make a separate server for the Fin's to play on like the Chinese server since they have to play by different rules than the rest of us.
Well, I think you could convert Isk to RL currencies. Just have a look at (illegal) 1b Isk for 120$ offers on the internet.
So if you just lost a 5b ship, that would be a loss of $600 irl. Cos if you sold the ship, you would have 5b and if you sold that on the internet, you'ld have $600.
Imagine that FF was being slaughtered because GS had inside intel from one of their spies in FF and FF lost say 15b in ships, mods, poses etc. That would be a whopping $1800. People start lawsuits for much less than that!
Also, the (legit) way of switching ingame Isk for a gaming card is a way of calculating the worth of Isk in dollars.
But the lawsuit in itself is ridiculous of course...
yes but u dont own said **** ;p all items are the propery of ccp ;p u really own nothing in the game ;p its all theirs according to the eula. ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Watauga Just assuming for a moment that the case were to be heard, who would you serve a subpoena to? You would have to have a real name and a real address. Unless that is public knowledge, you most likely have to go through CCP and that brings up privacy and First Amendment(US Constitution) issues. That litigation alone would be very expensive and possibly attract some RL international press.
the american first amendment dont give ppl the right to commit crimes and especially not in other countries. it gives you the right to free speach iirc in the united states of america.
when you lets say use a forum on a webserver located in lets say in iceland your right to free speach isnt worth anything as you have to abide by the rules set by the webserver and forum owner and the laws of that country. and the person would be contacted and notified/arrested(if the crime is severe) by his country's law enforcement on behalf of his justice system that works together on international crimes with other countries law enforment agencies. the wheels of justice isnt the fastest as you know but they usually get to the end of the pile sometime. the police in both countries would assist eachother and there are certain procedures that are in place for international cooperation between law enforcements.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Sarah Meiskin
Fatalix Inc. Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: shaun 27 only got one thing to say about this is lol. i feel sry for pirates people may start sueing them because they lost ships :)
Sadly, in America, that could be possible. Been trying to keep up with this one bill being tossed through senate that would allow the Government to allow taxing of persons for ownership of Digital Property, directed towards major MMO's like WoW and... that... one I can't remember now (3am for me ok :p ) Where you can make stuff and sell it IG and cash out the IG Credits for RL moniez or something... (Of course it's a rare possibility of such a thing being passed, but it IS America, who knows wtf could happen) I'm too lazy to find linkage of the sorts, again, 3am >.>
Maybe even in the future, World Leaders will get so into EVE that Podding another World Leader out of his Shuttle could mean a Declaration of War IRL :p
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Tetsujin
Caldari Band of Brosefs
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:51:00 -
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I don't know if you guys saw this or not so here it is again just for reference:
ahahahahahahaha
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.02.24 08:53:00 -
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I'm beginning to worry about you guys, it almost seems as if some of you are taking this seriously. Where has common sense gone these days...
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Helganstandt I'm beginning to worry about you guys, it almost seems as if some of you are taking this seriously. Where has common sense gone these days...
they posted wrong information of what was going on and i just corrected them with a more accurate piece of information regarding the "finfleet" incident and the procedures that could/would take place.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Percival Diddly
Unscoped Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:20:00 -
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Id love to see the Court TV on this one... _____________________________________________
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Gurgling CEO
Gurgleblaster Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 24/02/2007 05:50:19 Just give the Finish a separate cluster like the chinese if this lawsuit has legal merit in Finland.
Actually FinFleet havent been finnish only corp for a long time, so god knows who started this crap.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Percival Diddly Id love to see the Court TV on this one...
once again a very american view wich has no relevance at all to what has happened as there are no americans involved and the webserver/teamspeak server was not under american jurisdiction.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gurgling CEO
Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 24/02/2007 05:50:19 Just give the Finish a separate cluster like the chinese if this lawsuit has legal merit in Finland.
Actually FinFleet havent been finnish only corp for a long time, so god knows who started this crap.
iirc the webserver/teamspeak server that was accessed illegally was in finland thus under the jurisdiction of finnish laws. doesnt matter if the members of the corp are 98% samoan or whatever.
and for blackhorizon, criminal charges not a lawsuit. big difference.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:31:00 -
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Your honour, the jury has reached a verdict. We find the defendant guilty of OMG hax0rz, however we find him not guilty on the charge of perverting the course of LVs demise. We therefor rule that he got his pod out.
In all seriousness, pretending to be someone you aren't and hearing information as a result is unlikely to be an international crime.
Couple of years back, the other half and I got bored with the pub we were in, and crashed a wedding reception, for a laugh. Cue us making up a pack of lies when people talked to us, and then hearing nonsense about the family we pretended vaguely to know.
I'm now worried FinFleet laywers are going to get me nailed for this. I may have been able to use the information about some cousin I forgots job in the states training kids how to play football for my own nefarious purposes.
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: ceaon on 24/02/2007 09:29:14 if forum/TS are hacked the police have to do the work if u give him access on forum/TS = 0 @@@@@@ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ @@@@@@
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Dopefish
Amarr Quad and Fish
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
iirc the webserver/teamspeak server that was accessed illegally.
They invited a character in eve-online and the real person connected to this character is the same person who accessed finfleets servers. So how did he hack? They got exactly what they asked for.
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Percival Diddly
Unscoped Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.24 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Percival Diddly Id love to see the Court TV on this one...
once again a very american view wich has no relevance at all to what has happened as there are no americans involved and the webserver/teamspeak server was not under american jurisdiction.
wow talk about serious.
im not american im scottish it was ment as a joke obviously you cant see anything funny in this topic. this has all been taken way too seriously, it's a game. i know the story of this, it was about information posted from the FinFleet forums, which are hosted in finlanf with the correct disclaimers and agreements when signing up that yes, posting that information outside of the forums could be considerd illegal in finalnd.
but again all this is going too far, it's a damn game. |
Watauga
Minmatar Imperial Guardians
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
the american first amendment dont give ppl the right to commit crimes and especially not in other countries. it gives you the right to free speach iirc in the united states of america.
I was using the First Amendment as an example to legal protection to rights of privacy. The First Amendment gives me more rights than free speech, by the way. Nowhere in the US Constitution goes it explicitly state a right to privacy but many legal scholars believe it is implied using the First and Fourth Amendments. I used the First Amendment as an example because The Bill of Rights weren't pulled out of a hat but are founded in English and European legal tradition, such as, the English Bill of Rights of 1689. Back to point I was trying to make about CCP, it would reasonable to assume that Iceland would have similar protections for privacy and CCP like many computer companies would fight to protect theirs. FYI, Iceland is a member of the Council of Europe and in 1950, it adopted the European Convention on Human Rights which gives at least some protection of privacy.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:03:00 -
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I've always maintained a very dim view on spying in Eve, but I think taking somebody to court over an online game is an indicator that you might be a little bit too absorbed in the game and not in real life.
It's a game.
I can't believe that someone actually went to the police over this.
It's a game.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:06:00 -
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From what I heard, the Finfleet guy who came up with that idiotic suing idea rest his case form the fact that some OOG forums (Finfleet corp forum?) require you to declare that your registration informations are exact, and a spy would obviously have to enter false informations.
Maybe it can stand in court, maybe not, but this is utterly pathetic regardless. To try to extract IRL vengeance for a wrong done in a game, because you can't avenge yourself in said game, is just mind-bogglingly pathetic. ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types. |
elchief
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:18:00 -
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hey so bob must be sh*ttin it about now... d2 could sue em for the alt that got there titan AND the value of the titan in $$$ or isk ????? where will it end lol traders sueing pirates!!!!! http://members.aardvark.net.au/spacefrog/pics/elchief.jpg Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo |
Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword From what I heard, the Finfleet guy who came up with that idiotic suing idea rest his case form the fact that some OOG forums (Finfleet corp forum?) require you to declare that your registration informations are exact, and a spy would obviously have to enter false informations.
Maybe it can stand in court, maybe not, but this is utterly pathetic regardless. To try to extract IRL vengeance for a wrong done in a game, because you can't avenge yourself in said game, is just mind-bogglingly pathetic.
tbh i think its equally pathetic to cheat in a game using OOG tactics, metagaming tactics and exploits.
fact still remains that finfleet is perfectly within their legal rights to file criminal charges towards that person however lame and petty any of us think it is.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: elchief hey so bob must be sh*ttin it about now... d2 could sue em for the alt that got there titan AND the value of the titan in $$$ or isk ????? where will it end lol traders sueing pirates!!!!!
no they cant as that loss was used by what i and many others consider exploiting gamemechanics to gain a illegal advantage ingame.
however CCP has considered it a legal and valid tactic wich leads everyone else to draw the conclusion that the rules regarding exploits can be bent quite alot before CCP can claim anything is a bannable offense for a "exploit"
note that this however might not be how CCP sees it but rather the general consensus of many eve players that i have talked to about it.
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Itzena
Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:43:00 -
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LV are doing their damned to avoid the "Dying with some dignity" thing, aren't they? -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be. |
Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Itzena LV are doing their damned to avoid the "Dying with some dignity" thing, aren't they?
i wasnt aware that they had any
Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Yggdrassil
Amarrian Missionaires
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Posted - 2007.02.24 11:10:00 -
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The whole criminal charges over TS/forum thingy DO sound way over the top.
That said - I almost hope it goes through... That would hopefully remove all TS spies for good in game.
Imagine - winning a battle due to superior in-game skills / tactics etc etc - instead of who got the best placed spy / is able to get the best intel from their spy on teamspeak....
That would really suck, wouldn't it?
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Farscape Hw
Black Omega Security Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.24 11:18:00 -
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LOL this is completly STUPID.
and those of you who are taking this seriously are lifeless NERDS tbh
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Ronwe
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.24 11:19:00 -
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Actually you gyus deserve it
LIST OF SHAME!
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Royaldo
Old Farts
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Posted - 2007.02.24 11:29:00 -
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yeah im sure the cops will waste time on this. spend money and manpower on this.
no actually, i dont.
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insanebe
Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance
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Posted - 2007.02.24 11:31:00 -
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As far as i can tell the only way this will stand up is if someone can be found guilty of some sort of Fraud.... knowledge is power.... guard it well |
Nebuchadnezzar I
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.02.24 11:34:00 -
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I believe there also is a chatlog and or message from the finnish dude explaining it a bit more in detail.
I remember, without going back to check it, that from reading what he had to say he didnt think much of it himself, but that it rather was something he mentioned in connection with his work (or something) to a prosecutor (or whoever does the investigation in Finland) he happens to deal with through his work. And that this person then simply asked for logs and would "look into it" - i remember my clear understanding after readong the thread was that this wasnt very serious in any case.
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Voerung Gibson
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.24 11:46:00 -
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If someone break the law outside the game its up to the authorities outside the game to deal with it. That is how the real world works - if you break the law, you get procecuted.
Lets keep EVE and real life apart shall we :-) |
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