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Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
513
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Posted - 2016.09.18 02:51:55 -
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Cista2 wrote:updates are always welcome
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
299
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Posted - 2016.09.18 03:36:20 -
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Never trust anyone named Trogdor
Hating is free, that's why poor people do it the best.
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terzslave
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2016.09.18 03:47:08 -
[93] - Quote
Perhaps you need an ingame channel for this? |
Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
513
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Posted - 2016.09.18 04:13:14 -
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Zahara Cody wrote: Never trust anyone named Trogdor Can I just stand in the same station as you so hopefully your riches rub off onto me?
And was wondering how this was going, been very quiet.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
11
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Posted - 2016.09.19 22:13:23 -
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SORRY SORRY SORRY EVERYONE!
I could have swore I posted an update in early August, but apparently it's not here!
I don't want to hold on to everyone's money while I'm making no progress, and while I'm not giving up yet, I'm not making ANY progress either.
Being a first time parent has taken far more time than I had expected it to, and I've had a handful of medical emergencies of my own to deal with... Needless to say, my time-in-game has suffered significantly.
I still have all of the money that was collected in the IPO phase, and have been saving to give out some kind of thank-you for everyone who was so nice to give me a shot.
While I'm not giving up or done with this idea, I need to release what I'm holding, as it clearly hasn't been as strong of an investment as I thought it would have been... I expected better sales, better YouTube viewership, and less administrative work than reality allowed. I now know, I have bit off more than I can chew.
So, I'm not done... But I am done for now... If any of you are interested in playing along on my next effort (whenever that may be), I will be back on the forums again...
As a thank you for trusting me to hold on to your ISK for so long, I have been taxing all of my in-game earnings at 95% and will be paying out all of the funds in the corporation on October 1 in proportion to shares held (excluding my own shares of course.
If you really want your money now, I am willing to buy back your shares at the price you paid for them. Please contact me in-game to arrange the transaction. Otherwise I will be contacting each of you individually on 10/1.
Sorry for the lack of communication and weak returns. This experience was eye-opening for me, and hopefully was a good indicator of my honesty moving forward. Life just got away from me and I didn't have the time I thought I would have had. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
166
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Posted - 2016.09.20 11:34:12 -
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Sorry to see this go, especially I only found out about it today and never got to play :(
As for my own impression after reading all the posts here, I have following things to say
1. I love the idea of lottery, which is different from slots or raffles that are offered else where
2. But your website was all business and no fun . :p Players like me want to see player orientated website that purely focus on the game, you can have board discussions and algorithm stuff else where. When I play to gamble, I don't want any clutters. Just very easy way to buy tickets and check for results
3. Buying tickets through ISK sending in game with manual typing on the reasons was a bad idea. You want people to deposit money in game, and use the ISK from your site's account to buy tickets, offering both manual number pick and auto pick
4. The seed money/prize was too little. I like the idea of progressive jackpot but IMHO the starting jackpot should be minimum 20b. When you have better than 1:30,000 odds to win 20b in Rat Race at IWI with 27m for a spin, buying 27 tickets at your site for the same 27m ISK and Jackpot being 1.5b ISK is just really meh
5. I really do like the idea of progressive lottery jackpot for EVE players, and applaud your effort. If anybody takes up from this idea with revamp for super easy and sleek website interface and willing to commit as a group to push for its success and marketing, I could probably 'pledge 20b'. But I'm talking about scenario where progressive jackpot not won for a few weeks can carry over to at least 500b+, region, and two months no lottery winner bringing the winnings to over a trillion kinda scale. Something big that will get people excited. While it's a different game, I remember when Rat Race at IWI went over 900b. Everyone and their dogs were spinning like crazy and there was such a buzz
Anyways, kudos for your effort, and I hope your next ventures be more successful
Toobo is a lucky talisman. Try Toobo's lucky referral link at the awesome iwantisk website and have a great time
http://www.iwantisk.com/?ref=1216023697
Remeber - you win by luck and lose by luck. Don't go crazy. ;)
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Cista2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
268
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:03:45 -
[97] - Quote
I like the part where I get money back
My channel: "Signatures"
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Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
14
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Posted - 2016.09.20 19:04:56 -
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Thanks for that Toobo. I was planning for a website interface such as what you described, but my programming skills aren't what they used to be. I had a friend helping, but he fell through back in July.
As for Jackpot sizes, that is the trickiest part of the math for the whole project... Make it too small and nobody cares... make it too big, and you put the lotto corp at a hige risk of losses. My inital starting point of 1.5bn was selected based on the cost of Plex at the time, and would be 1500x the ticket price... It also didnt help that through the API I was keeping public, the names of players for all tickets purchased and paid out... Sure, I was buying 20-50 tickets myself to give out as promos, but it just doesnt look good to see 85% of the "sales" being made to the CEO.
Again, I love the project and want to give it another crack, but really feel bad for holding so much of everyone else's money for so long with no return.
I will try again when I know I can give it the time and effort everyone deserves.
Toobo wrote:Sorry to see this go, especially I only found out about it today and never got to play :(
As for my own impression after reading all the posts here, I have following things to say
1. I love the idea of lottery, which is different from slots or raffles that are offered else where
2. But your website was all business and no fun . :p Players like me want to see player orientated website that purely focus on the game, you can have board discussions and algorithm stuff else where. When I play to gamble, I don't want any clutters. Just very easy way to buy tickets and check for results
3. Buying tickets through ISK sending in game with manual typing on the reasons was a bad idea. You want people to deposit money in game, and use the ISK from your site's account to buy tickets, offering both manual number pick and auto pick
4. The seed money/prize was too little. I like the idea of progressive jackpot but IMHO the starting jackpot should be minimum 20b. When you have better than 1:30,000 odds to win 20b in Rat Race at IWI with 27m for a spin, buying 27 tickets at your site for the same 27m ISK and Jackpot being 1.5b ISK is just really meh
5. I really do like the idea of progressive lottery jackpot for EVE players, and applaud your effort. If anybody takes up from this idea with revamp for super easy and sleek website interface and willing to commit as a group to push for its success and marketing, I could probably 'pledge 20b'. But I'm talking about scenario where progressive jackpot not won for a few weeks can carry over to at least 500b+, region, and two months no lottery winner bringing the winnings to over a trillion kinda scale. Something big that will get people excited. While it's a different game, I remember when Rat Race at IWI went over 900b. Everyone and their dogs were spinning like crazy and there was such a buzz
Anyways, kudos for your effort, and I hope your next ventures be more successful
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Morgan Agrivar
Divine Bovine Security Services
526
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Posted - 2016.09.20 20:05:03 -
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I await your email.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
169
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Posted - 2016.09.20 22:11:43 -
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Trogdor, yeah your reasons are understandable and it is correct that you don't put too much of your investors' money at risk. But if you had a really attractive site and solid plan, and some collateral for investor safety, I think the lottery idea could work. There are many examples here on this forum where people raise 20+b very quickly if they can offer good collateral and well trusted third party. Anyways, good luck!
Toobo is a lucky talisman. Try Toobo's lucky referral link at the awesome iwantisk website and have a great time
http://www.iwantisk.com/?ref=1216023697
Remeber - you win by luck and lose by luck. Don't go crazy. ;)
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Morgan Agrivar
Divine Bovine Security Services
571
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Posted - 2016.09.20 22:33:48 -
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This was my first investment opportunity but I don't have billions to throw around. Sad to see it didn't go anywhere but it doesn't detract from doing it again (if I have the funds).
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
15
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Posted - 2016.10.03 15:25:16 -
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Just logging in to begin the buyback process... Wanted to wait until EveMuseum dividends posted. Hang tight for updates. |
Jaxic
Clan Zero
0
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:13:25 -
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Does the new EULA impact this? |
Zad Murrard
Frozen Dawn Inc Frozen Dawn Alliance
41
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Posted - 2016.10.12 17:18:07 -
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Would say so as Lottery is gambling. |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
1528
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Posted - 2016.10.12 20:31:52 -
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Jaxic wrote:Does the new EULA impact this?
Are humans mammals?
New EULA restrictions:
No third party games of chance for isk/assetts/etc
This thread: Lottery (game of chance) for isk hosted by third party (OP)
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KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
39
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Posted - 2016.10.14 17:07:42 -
[106] - Quote
Oops |
Morgan Agrivar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
584
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Posted - 2016.10.14 23:59:36 -
[107] - Quote
This already fell through so thanks for beating a dead horse with a stick.
*sigh*
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Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
15
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Posted - 2016.10.17 02:31:26 -
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So, here's how the return of funds is going to work. You will each get an Eve Mail with your specific amounts.
The account currently holds all of the initial money earned in the IPO phase and an additional 76,587,984 isk.
We will pay out all of this evenly across the 1610 shares that are not owned by me.
This will be a earnings per share of 47,570.17. Once you receive your email you have the choice to sell your shares back to me for the value listed, or you can chose NOT to return the shares and retain your ownership in the corp. (What the corp will do going forward, I really don't know.
Please reply via evemail so that I am notified on my mobile that you are awaiting a transaction, then I can log in and make the fund transfers. Please "give shares" back to Trogdor Montague to complete the sale.
Thanks again to everyone for your patience and support. I truly wish I had the time and energy to continue the project, but it seems as if the EULA is even against me now. |
Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
15
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Posted - 2016.10.18 00:51:02 -
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3 Shareholders have accepted and received their buyback settlement. |
Cista2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2016.10.18 06:55:56 -
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Trogdor Montague wrote:3 Shareholders have accepted and received their buyback settlement. Received! Thank you for the clean termination of this project :) It is very rare to see an unknown receive a lot of money on good faith alone, have the project run sour over time, but nevertheless return all the ISK to the participants.
My channel: "Signatures"
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Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
15
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:07:42 -
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A 4th shareholder has taken the offer. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
975
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:08:10 -
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You might want to read https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/end-user-license-agreement-changes-coming-with-eve-online-ascension/ which states "You may not use, transfer or assign any game assets for games of chance operated by third parties". Basically, CCP have banned any kind of gambling in EVE now.
Free 3rd party service
21 day trial, you keep the whole PLEX
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Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
15
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Posted - 2016.10.20 01:28:47 -
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A 5th shareholder has taken the offer.
Thanks for the info Elizabeth, we are aware of the change and are attempting to take care of our investors before our operations become problematic. I don't really agree with the rule, but I don't fault CCP for going that way either... If EVE is going to become free-to-play, they will need to crack down and take a slightly stronger stance where they once were a very "buyer beware" kind of company.
I'm hoping that after all the dust settles and I get caught up on my overdue workload, I'll have time to make a blog article sharing my leanings... This truly was an eye-opening experience that I'd love to share with others. |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2016.10.20 02:57:57 -
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Trogdor Montague wrote:A 5th shareholder has taken the offer.
Thanks for the info Elizabeth, we are aware of the change and are attempting to take care of our investors before our operations become problematic. I don't really agree with the rule, but I don't fault CCP for going that way either... If EVE is going to become free-to-play, they will need to crack down and take a slightly stronger stance where they once were a very "buyer beware" kind of company.
I'm hoping that after all the dust settles and I get caught up on my overdue workload, I'll have time to make a blog article sharing my leanings... This truly was an eye-opening experience that I'd love to share with others.
I'd bet that a part of CCPs change in thought was due to the CS GO gambling sites fiasco. |
Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
15
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Posted - 2016.10.20 03:26:04 -
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Alexi Stokov wrote:
I'd bet that a part of CCPs change in thought was due to the CS GO gambling sites fiasco.
That would make sense, but as I said before, I'd expect this if they are ramping up for massive amounts of new subscribers. The visibility of the game will be higher than ever when they start to offer a free-to-play offer, the PLEX system, character transfers, and skill injectors really blur the line when it comes to "real cash" transactions.
We don't need anyone asking questions around here. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
975
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Posted - 2016.10.20 09:33:55 -
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It's probably more to do with the US and UK recently looking to regulate virtual/video game current gambling, rather than alpha clones which have likely been in the works for months. Many other much more games have had gambling up until now, I imagine there won't be many left soon.
Free 3rd party service
21 day trial, you keep the whole PLEX
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Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
15
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Posted - 2016.10.21 20:53:50 -
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Another settlement has been paid. Only 514 of 1500 shares remain for collection.
I highly recommend completing this transaction before 11/8 so there are no issues related to the new EULA. I assume there will be no penalty for violations previous to the activation date, but you may want to clean up, just to be sure.
Also, to clarify, there has been NO real money transfer as any part of this process. My concern is related to the new EULA regulations against 3rd party gambling systems, which I admit we were operating before it was deemed to be against the TOS.
I have ceased all gambling related operations as of 7/7/16, well before the change in regulations. |
Plleasure Hub
Municorn
121
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Posted - 2016.10.26 13:58:18 -
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Confirming that I was successfully cashed out. Thanks, Trogdor. I'm sorry that the odds were not in your favor this time.
"There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them, because whoever they are in your mind, is their true identity." GÇö Kazuto Kirigaya
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Trogdor Montague
Jaque Pot Holdings
15
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Posted - 2016.11.06 21:36:30 -
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One FINAL reminder to claim your ISK will be sent via EVE Mail later today. If you want your money back, let me know before I start investing in something else.
I plan to keep all of the JaquePot funds in the corporation and use them to invest in other business opportunities. Dividends will be paid out, but I now own nearly 75% of the shares, so if you choose to "let it ride", keep in mind that there are pretty much no checks and balances anymore... (Although I don't INTEND to do anything to jeopardize your investment, I cannot make any guarantees).
Current shareholders will be guaranteed their current offer until 00:00 on Nov 21, 2016. |
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