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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
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Posted - 2016.05.15 11:00:19 -
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Encyclopaedia Nova Edenica doesn't look like much at the moment, but what is there is a testbed for streamlined portal-based navigation and compact, easy to browse formatting.
We could really use stuff like:
- Some lore experts to go over the CCP and player-generated history and shape it into some workable articles
- Technical database of modules, rigs, hulls etc
- Anything else the other wikis usually neglect but evelopedia didn't
Someone else took the liberty of creating a live backup of evelopedia, so the usable data can be migrated over with all the new stuff. If someone in the know can dig up technical and XML API docs for third party developers as well, that would be great.
inb4 eve uni: they suck and their wiki is impossible to navigate. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12050
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Posted - 2016.05.15 12:05:24 -
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How much is the pay, please?
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.15 14:49:38 -
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The green is horrible, also why start something like that when you obviously have zero experience or knowledge on the matter. Also, the Uni is many things (and many of them not good) but stating that their wiki "sucks" while not being able to create anything beyond a base template yourself (and a ****** one at that) isn't going to help you.
p.s. You should probably invest your time in becoming less bad at EVE instead of finger pointing at well established groups and trying to reinvent the wheel in puke green. |
Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
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Posted - 2016.05.15 15:22:31 -
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bleah salty |
Velarra
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Posted - 2016.05.15 15:57:41 -
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http://web.archive.org/web/20160227175748/https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page
The waybackmachine Eve wiki is great :) |
Bobb Bobbington
Bros Before Holes The Devils' Rejects
300
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Posted - 2016.05.15 17:28:11 -
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Nonononononononono you're doing it all wrong.
You have to rename it to Hitchhiker's Guide to New Eden!
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No it's not a cosmic signature.
Probably.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54755
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Posted - 2016.05.15 17:34:35 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:The green is horrible, also why start something like that when you obviously have zero experience or knowledge on the matter. Also, the Uni is many things (and many of them not good) but stating that their wiki "sucks" while not being able to create anything beyond a base template yourself (and a ****** one at that) isn't going to help you.
p.s. You should probably invest your time in becoming less bad at EVE instead of finger pointing at well established groups and trying to reinvent the wheel in puke green. The green isn't too bad but having it with grey might not be a good color combo. As for her starting an open Eve Encyclopedia and asking the playerbase for help, I say that's great and more power to her for taking the initiative to do it. It's about time somebody did it and she's definitely trying to be helpful which is more than I can say for you. More importantly, why you bad mouthing her for doing it?
I have links to a few different Eve Wiki's in my Character's Bio. I used Evelopedia the most since it was much easier to navigate and it was more complete than all the others. Yeah that's right, I agree with the OP. Evelopedia was easier to navigate and was more complete than the other wiki's..
Despite the fact there's a few people here who keep saying Evelopedia was outdated and incomplete, the Lore, RP and PvE pages in it were definitely more up to date than all the other wiki's around, thanks mainly to the playerbase. The Official pages in Evelopedia that were 'Locked' by CCP is what needed to be updated on a regular basis which is something that CCP wouldn't do. By the way, those other wiki's all got their info doing copy/paste from Evelopedia.
Anyway, thanks to The Wayback Machine linked earlier in this thread, transcribing most of the info from Evelopedia into this new wiki should be fairly easy which shouldn't take too long to do, especially with help from the playerbase.
I wish this project lot's of luck and a quick success.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.15 19:25:28 -
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All that is done is create a basic wiki with a terrible colour scheme and name, other than that it's empty so all it is is someone who really wants to be "in charge" but lacks any actual knowledge and wants others to do the actual work, while getting all the page views. |
Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
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Posted - 2016.05.15 22:30:15 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:All that is done is create a basic wiki with a terrible colour scheme and name, other than that it's empty so all it is is someone who really wants to be "in charge" but lacks any actual knowledge and wants others to do the actual work, while getting all the page views.
It's empty because I've only just started, moron. A wiki is a big job for one person. But sure, go ahead and bash my efforts, it's not like anyone got anywhere by trying. Maybe I should just lay down and give up entirely because nothing is ever worth it. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1528
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Posted - 2016.05.15 22:36:27 -
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Honestly, there already is a great community ran wikipedia ran by EVE Uni. That wiki is open for registration and editing by anyone. I'm generally not a fan of having a dozen different wiki's on the same subject, especially creating a brand new one with multiple established ones already in existence.
Anyone wanting to support an EVE wiki I would encourage to create an account on the EVE Uni website, read their editing guidelines and start editing articles there.
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Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
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Posted - 2016.05.15 23:16:20 -
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Agreed about the Eve University Wiki, not because I am an ex-Unista but because it is a wealth of information.
But please, do not pay attention to their fits for ships. THOSE are horrible.
This would cure me of the fear...
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Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
204
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Posted - 2016.05.15 23:59:34 -
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Bumblefck wrote:How much is the pay, please? -10 just for being yourself.
Velarra wrote:The waybackmachine Eve wiki is great :) It may be good in ways, but it's a photo of a relic by definition. It will not be updated, and interactivity as well as graphics files will be iffy...very basic stuff.
Unbelievable. Someone asks for volunteers for a project and gets a windfall of "don't do it". I can't believe what I'm reading here is from any place other than the dark ages come to life again.
@OP - I'll do what I can. Thanks for making this effort.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54766
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Posted - 2016.05.16 04:33:39 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Honestly, there already is a great community ran wikipedia ran by EVE Uni. That wiki is open for registration and editing by anyone. I'm generally not a fan of having a dozen different wiki's on the same subject, especially creating a brand new one with multiple established ones already in existence.
Anyone wanting to support an EVE wiki I would encourage to create an account on the EVE Uni website, read their editing guidelines and start editing articles there. UniWiki is not something I would call great. It's adequate on some aspects of Eve and is sorely lacking in other aspects. By design it's not really user friendly and it's also incomplete on info as well. In my opinion it's a biased wiki that's owned and controlled by a player run Corporation that's only interested in promoting their own agenda. Just because you or others say it's a better Eve Wiki doesn't mean it's true.
Hell, most players still don't know about UniWiki but they sure do know about Evelopedia. The only reason UniWiki is getting recognized and promoted now is because CCP is too cheap to continue hosting Evelopedia and too lazy to update the Official pages of Evelopedia. That's the real truth of the matter.
As a long time supporter and contributor to both Evelopedia and Eve-Survival, I encourage all players to support and work on this new Eve Wiki which has great potential to be an actual Eve Community Wiki.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Lucas Kell
Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7697
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Posted - 2016.05.16 07:27:35 -
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For those that use wayback for the old one, Steve Ronuken already eposted the old one from the datadumps and can be found here. As for this one, I'm in agreement with Hawke, all that's been done here is a wikia account has been set up with a template so the OP can get other people to fill stuff in then prance around celebrating how great they are. I doubt it will get filled in and I doubt it will ever be up to standard because a project like this requires someone competent and dedicated in charge.
Also there's already an eve wikia site, so this is at best a badly style duplicate.
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Yarosara Ruil
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Posted - 2016.05.16 08:38:05 -
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Mother of Bob, talk about double jeopardy! Awful green color AND Wikia? That's a recipe for disaster. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.05.16 08:53:52 -
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For starters, I am not starting to feel that lore was forgotten, because of the wayback machine and there is a lot in chronicles still on the CCP site. But it may be hard to expand the lore on those sites, unless CCP make a mention on their site that something happened. Still, that is not the best way to deal information in encyclopedic format, as anybody would expect. For the quick answer to the lore questions people would still prefer wiki. But I dont see any lore category in that thing you made. But here is an article lore oriented for sure.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
574
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Posted - 2016.05.16 08:58:22 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote: Mother of Bob, talk about double jeopardy! Awful green color AND Wikia? That's a recipe for disaster.
It may be even pink. We need a site that we can rely on. It's absurd that CCP taking steps to interest new players into the game and closing wiki at the same time. EvE is very complex game at start. My first steps when I started playing was linked page obviously.
I am the 85%
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1530
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Posted - 2016.05.16 10:39:53 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Honestly, there already is a great community ran wikipedia ran by EVE Uni. That wiki is open for registration and editing by anyone. I'm generally not a fan of having a dozen different wiki's on the same subject, especially creating a brand new one with multiple established ones already in existence.
Anyone wanting to support an EVE wiki I would encourage to create an account on the EVE Uni website, read their editing guidelines and start editing articles there. UniWiki is not something I would call great. It's adequate on some aspects of Eve and is sorely lacking in other aspects. By design it's not really user friendly and it's also incomplete on info as well. In my opinion it's a biased wiki that's owned and controlled by a player run Corporation that's only interested in promoting their own agenda. Just because you or others say it's a better Eve Wiki doesn't mean it's true. Hell, most players still don't know about UniWiki but they sure do know about Evelopedia. The only reason UniWiki is getting recognized and promoted now is because CCP is too cheap to continue hosting Evelopedia and too lazy to update the Official pages of Evelopedia. That's the real truth of the matter. As a long time supporter and contributor to both Evelopedia and Eve-Survival, I encourage all players to support and work on this new Eve Wiki which has great potential to be an actual Eve Community Wiki.DMC
That's the thing about a wiki, if there is information there that is not accurate anyone can come along and fix it. Starting a completely different wiki certainly isn't going to be a better solution to that problem.
I agree that there is also a lot of outdated info on the EVE Uni wiki, but at the moment it is the most up to date one there is. It even trumps the Evelopedia in a lot of places in terms of up to date info. If you want to spend hours and hours reinventing the wheel by starting like, what, the fourth EVE wiki now, by my guest. But you could have spent that time editing existing articles on an established wiki.
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Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
206
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Posted - 2016.05.16 14:20:24 -
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FYI. The Wayback Machine was created by a prime developer of our modern PC world. It's what he did with his millions. Part of it is Librivox, by the way. The Machine is a pretty comprehensive record of the world wide web, of which EVE's contribution is but a small bit. The Machine even recorded my first attempts at websites from 1996/1997. (And still records them presently.)
Don't get the idea that organization has a specific interest in EVE beyond the fact it occurs on the internet. EVE's site was selected to be continually "photographed" as time marches on. That is, until there is no one home at the address...yeah, it could happen. It is by no means helpful to view the content there as anything more than artifacts, and for the present, an asset to develop a bridge...someone competent to be in charge. LOL. Good one.
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Lucas Kell
Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7697
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Posted - 2016.05.16 15:12:18 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:The only reason UniWiki is getting recognized and promoted now is because CCP is too cheap to continue hosting Evelopedia and too lazy to update the Official pages of Evelopedia. That's the real truth of the matter. Just FYI, the reason CCP discontinued Evelopedia is because nobody bothered to update it. Wikis are community driven, CCP put it there for us, not for them to continuously update. So if everyone who seems to be so mad about it no longer existing had taken the time to add and update articles, they wouldn't have discontinued it. The fact is that the UniWiki is better updated and maintained which makes it a better source of information, and that's why it's more popular. As Tiger said, there's really no point in starting up yet another wiki if the existing ones don't get updated.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54789
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Posted - 2016.05.16 16:47:01 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:For those that use wayback for the old one, Steve Ronuken already eposted the old one from the datadumps and can be found here.
I've already checked that wiki which is nothing more than a half way copy / paste of some pages that were in Evelopedia. In fact half of the pages for PvE content is missing such as the info on Epic mission arcs
Quote:You have followed a link to a page that does not exist yet. To create the page, start typing in the box below (see the help page for more info). If you are here by mistake, click your browser's back button.
Warning: The database has been locked for maintenance, so you will not be able to save your edits right now. You may wish to copy and paste your text into a text file and save it for later.
The administrator who locked it offered this explanation: This wiki is locked down, as it's really out of date
Nothing has been changed in-game for the Epic Arcs. In fact that quote is also found on lot's of other PvE exploration pages which also haven't been changed in-game.
Lucas Kell wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:The only reason UniWiki is getting recognized and promoted now is because CCP is too cheap to continue hosting Evelopedia and too lazy to update the Official pages of Evelopedia. That's the real truth of the matter. Just FYI, the reason CCP discontinued Evelopedia is because nobody bothered to update it. Wikis are community driven, CCP put it there for us, not for them to continuously update. So if everyone who seems to be so mad about it no longer existing had taken the time to add and update articles, they wouldn't have discontinued it. The fact is that the UniWiki is better updated and maintained which makes it a better source of information, and that's why it's more popular. As Tiger said, there's really no point in starting up yet another wiki if the existing ones don't get updated.
Sorry to burst your bubble but most of the PvE pages in Evelopedia was indeed current and updated by the Eve community. I know because I was one of the many community members who did it. Some of the other pages pertaining to Industry, Scanning, Marketing, PI, even FW wasn't too bad, just needed a little bit of update work done to them. The pages that were really out of date and incorrect were mostly CCP Official 'Locked' pages. The Data Base info for ships, modules, BPO's, etc was really out of date which was no fault of the playerbase. All of that falls on CCP's head, especially since they would change various things in-game and then later change them again, and again, etc. Quite honestly half the time they wouldn't even include the changes in Dev Blogs or patch notes.
As far as UniWiki being better updated and maintained, I disagree. Most is copy / paste of Evelopedia pages. I still stand by my statement about why CCP discontinued the Evelopedia and why they promoted UniWiki.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Lucas Kell
Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7698
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Posted - 2016.05.16 19:39:33 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble but most of the PvE pages in Evelopedia was indeed current and updated by the Eve community. I know because I was one of the many community members who did it. Some of the other pages pertaining to Industry, Scanning, Marketing, PI, even FW wasn't too bad, just needed a little bit of update work done to them. The pages that were really out of date and incorrect were mostly CCP Official 'Locked' pages. The Data Base info for ships, modules, BPO's, etc was really out of date which was no fault of the playerbase. All of that falls on CCP's head, especially since they would change various things in-game and then later change them again, and again, etc. Quite honestly half the time they wouldn't even include the changes in Dev Blogs or patch notes. I'm sure there were some parts updated by people like yourself but the simpel fact remains that most of the pages there weren't very up to date or detailed. You'd be hard pushed to find a page that isn't better on one of the other wikis. Searching for something and ending up on Evelopedia generally made me roll my eyese then search again on UniWiki. Why would CCP continue to push something that much of the community was not interested in keeping up to date and that was outclassed by numerous other sources of info?
DeMichael Crimson wrote:As far as UniWiki being better updated and maintained, I disagree. Most is copy / paste of Evelopedia pages. I still stand by my statement about why CCP discontinued the Evelopedia and why they promoted UniWiki. Stand by it all you want, objectively UniWiki is a better source of information. Whether that's because there was a lot of copy paste they've built on is irrelevant.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
259
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Posted - 2016.05.16 19:56:39 -
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By it's very design, Wiki-stuff is not easily accessible. It's meant to roughly show like an Encyclopedia layout. I use Wiki's all the time so they really aren't an issue for me to navigate but I do realize how user 'unfriendly' they are and how difficult they are to work with.
So, calling other wiki's hard to use and then using a wiki interface to make a new wiki set doesn't engender me with a lot of confidence on being all that much easier to use. The very format is constrained by how it works.
There are about a half dozen better systems out there but you would have to pay for any of them, so they don't get used publicly very often.
I would suggest that you concentrate on fixing any areas you find 'broken' in the other wiki's and link to the stuff that's working correctly. At least then you have a far smaller piece of pie to maintain. Maintenance is the bane of all Wiki's and where they all fail because they need constant care and feeding.
So, I encourage you to make whatever attempt you are going to make, but do so knowing it's going to be a serious time commitment and you will have to be up to the task of doing it. Good luck.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54792
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Posted - 2016.05.17 04:06:05 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I'm sure there were some parts updated by people like yourself but the simpel fact remains that most of the pages there weren't very up to date or detailed. You'd be hard pushed to find a page that isn't better on one of the other wikis. Searching for something and ending up on Evelopedia generally made me roll my eyese then search again on UniWiki. Why would CCP continue to push something that much of the community was not interested in keeping up to date and that was outclassed by numerous other sources of info? I've already given examples of how the other wiki's are lacking in info compared to Evelopedia so I'm not gonna do that again. However your statement does bring up a couple of questions. If you were searching in Evelopedia for info on stuff you didn't know about then how did you know it was incorrect ? Also if you found incorrect info in Evelopedia then why didn't you correct it ?
Obviously you and people like yourself are part of the problem. Instead of being a helpful member of the community and correcting the issue, you just ignore it and leave it for somebody else to fix. Not only did CCP do the same thing with Evelopedia, they also withheld Data Base info on all the changes they did in the game thus making it damn near impossible to completely update Evelopedia.
Lucas Kell wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:As far as UniWiki being better updated and maintained, I disagree. Most is copy / paste of Evelopedia pages. I still stand by my statement about why CCP discontinued the Evelopedia and why they promoted UniWiki. Stand by it all you want, objectively UniWiki is a better source of information. Whether that's because there was a lot of copy paste they've built on is irrelevant. I think you're just spewing the same old rhetoric with no solid point to back up your statements in an effort to prove yourself right. Guess we'll just agree to disagree.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Lucas Kell
Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7698
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Posted - 2016.05.17 06:50:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I've already given examples of how the other wiki's are lacking in info compared to Evelopedia so I'm not gonna do that again. However your statement does bring up a couple of questions. If you were searching in Evelopedia for info on stuff you didn't know about then how did you know it was incorrect ? Also if you found incorrect info in Evelopedia then why didn't you correct it ? Usually I did know about it, I was looking for reference and could see it was old data. I didn't correct it because I didn't care about Evelopedia and generally only found it when I did't pay attention to the link I clicked in google and ended up there by mistake.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Obviously you and people like yourself are part of the problem. Instead of being a helpful member of the community and correcting the issue, you just ignore it and leave it for somebody else to fix. Not only did CCP do the same thing with Evelopedia, they also withheld Data Base info on all the changes they did in the game thus making it damn near impossible to completely update Evelopedia. I don't see it as a problem though, since I always found other sources to be better, so Evelopedia being gone is a benefit as it will no longer show up on search results.
Lucas Kell wrote:I think you're just spewing the same old rhetoric with no solid point to back up your statements in an effort to prove yourself right. Guess we'll just agree to disagree. lol, no rhetoric, you're going "grr they copied some stuff", and I'm saying "I don't care, it's still more accurate and up to date". The only thing Evelopedia had over Uniwiki was the lore stuff which doesn't interest me. Quite honestly you just seem to have a stuck up your ass about the other wikis. Why is it you think an new, empty (and absolutely horrible looking) wiki is a better idea than simply improving one of the existing wikis that was already better than Evelopedia in the first place?
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54802
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Posted - 2016.05.17 07:29:27 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I think you're just spewing the same old rhetoric with no solid point to back up your statements in an effort to prove yourself right. Guess we'll just agree to disagree. lol, no rhetoric, you're going "grr they copied some stuff", and I'm saying "I don't care, it's still more accurate and up to date". The only thing Evelopedia had over Uniwiki was the lore stuff which doesn't interest me. Quite honestly you just seem to have a stuck up your ass about the other wikis. Why is it you think an new, empty (and absolutely horrible looking) wiki is a better idea than simply improving one of the existing wikis that was already better than Evelopedia in the first place? Well, once again we disagree and the convo is mute because you say this and I say that. If anyone has a stick shoved up there arse here it's you. Nobody asked for links or info about UniWiki and if you don't wanna help the op with this project then just bugger off with your stick. All you've done here is constantly berate the OP and Evelopedia while claiming UniWiki is the best without actually providing any proof.
UniWiki by design is not user friendly and it's biased towards Eve University's own agenda. They lay claim to all of the info contained within it and if a request is made to give acknowledgment to the source of their info, they re-write, omit and condense the copy / paste into a shadow of it's former self.
Nuff said ..........
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1031
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Posted - 2016.05.17 07:50:22 -
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^ Late to this fred but were you really trying to get into a discussion about... anything with --> Lucas Kell <-- ?
Can't wrap my head around that one. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54803
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Posted - 2016.05.17 08:44:40 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:^ Late to this fred but were you really trying to get into a discussion about... anything with --> Lucas Kell <-- ?
Can't wrap my head around that one. No, just a difference of opinion. I support the OP whereas he berates the OP.
Anyway, I'm done with the back and forth about this topic, time to move on to another subject.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1531
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Posted - 2016.05.17 10:31:36 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I think you're just spewing the same old rhetoric with no solid point to back up your statements in an effort to prove yourself right. Guess we'll just agree to disagree. lol, no rhetoric, you're going "grr they copied some stuff", and I'm saying "I don't care, it's still more accurate and up to date". The only thing Evelopedia had over Uniwiki was the lore stuff which doesn't interest me. Quite honestly you just seem to have a stuck up your ass about the other wikis. Why is it you think an new, empty (and absolutely horrible looking) wiki is a better idea than simply improving one of the existing wikis that was already better than Evelopedia in the first place? Well, once again we disagree and the convo is mute because you say this and I say that. If anyone has a stick shoved up there arse here it's you. Nobody asked for links or info about UniWiki and if you don't wanna help the op with this project then just bugger off with your stick. All you've done here is constantly berate the OP and Evelopedia while claiming UniWiki is the best without actually providing any proof. UniWiki by design is not user friendly and it's biased towards Eve University's own agenda. They lay claim to all of the info contained within it and if a request is made to give acknowledgment to the source of their info, they re-write, omit and condense the copy / paste into a shadow of it's former self. Nuff said .......... DMC
You seem to be completely foreign to the way wiki's are operated and maintained. A wiki, by definition, doesn't go around spewing acknowledgements everywhere. If you want to quote a source you can tag a sentence with a reference that will show up at the end of the page. Other than that your username will show up in the history list of edits and that is as far as any sort of acknowledgement goes. There is no 'claiming' of information. As a wiki EVE Uni may decide to avoid using copyrighted texts, so when information is copied as a whole from a different site, the editors may choose to rewrite it to stay in line with legal rules on the wiki, and UniWiki is hardly the only one that does so.
Also what on earth are you on about with "their own agenda"? EVE Uni's only agenda is teaching new players about EVE Online. A wiki, by definition, is a great place to share information with new players.
You seriously seem to not grasp the concept that a wiki is open to edit by anyone, and that it is operated as a community. If you don't like the way information is presented you are completely free to rewrite things to make it more clear, but if the community around you decides your edit isn't up to par, it goes out the window. Easy as that.
Anyway, the core of this discussion is about the fact that we DON'T need 5 different wikis for EVE Online, of which 4 will probably never be touched by anyone except the admin and a couple of random editors. Eventually they will go out of date like every single other wiki before them.
As far as wikis go, saying "the information on this wiki is not accurate, so I'll start my own wiki instead" is about the stupidest thing ever. Can you imagine someone starting their own Wikipedia counterpart because one of their favorite articles has the wrong information? It's stupid. And the effort put into this project by the OP, as good as the intentions may be, would be much better spent supporting an existing established wiki, rather than starting from scratch for no well explained reason.
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Alessienne Ellecon
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As far as wikis go, saying "the information on this wiki is not accurate, so I'll start my own wiki instead" is about the stupidest thing ever. Can you imagine someone starting their own Wikipedia counterpart because one of their favorite articles has the wrong information? It's stupid. And the effort put into this project by the OP, as good as the intentions may be, would be much better spent supporting an existing established wiki, rather than starting from scratch for no well explained reason.
I've already explained why I'm doing this project but my words just seem to go in one ear and out the other with some people. If you're not interesting in helping me with this project, then don't, but you have no business slagging me off until you've demonstrated that either a) you're willing to help make UniWiki more user-friendly and/or add lore pages to it, or b) you can make a superior wiki of your own. Be constructive or bugger off.
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