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Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2016.05.17 14:30:09 -
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So last night I was somehow locked in about ~3 seconds and instapopped from 105km away while doing 3000+km/s at a 120-¦ angle in a condor. Not cool. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2880
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Posted - 2016.05.17 14:47:34 -
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yeah you should probably stay away from capitals in subcaps now
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Adrienne Cesaille
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.17 15:55:58 -
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It is an interesting scenario, Once upon a time the Battleship was king, there was no sig on ship, whacking frigates with Large Turrets was pretty simple and so frigates where noob mobiles serving no point in the game once you could get out of them.
Years later CCP decides this is a bad idea. That the sole ruling king of the battlefield the battleship was to much and that frigates and cruisers should have a place. The counter arguement was that battleships cost exponentially more isk and training time, this is derided and slammed aside by the bulk of the player base so here comes Sig and lock times. No more insta locking frigates and blapping em as if they where npc ships. Few more tweaks later and a wolf pack of frigs was a rather dangerous thing for the BS
Now here's citadel, CCP buffs up carriers and now they don't have a lot to fear from sub caps. The best counter is bring another cap to kill the cap. The arguement that carriers should be able to do this? cost and training time.. Something ridiculed years and years ago as a foolish game design mechanic...
Kind of Ironic that CCP is recreating their mistakes with battleships on capitals, its not AS bad as the battleship scenario but it's up there |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2042
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Posted - 2016.05.17 17:38:49 -
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Making it impossible for an interceptor to hold down a carrier until help arrives is probably bad for pvp. It makes the 'gate of 100 bubbles' too strong. It's getting too easy to just bubble up a pipe or side spur of systems and carrier rat risk free in null.
Between the changes to the watch list and carriers being able to insta wonk sub capitals CCP is sending a clear message they don't want anyone hunting capital ships with anything but luck and cynos. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2881
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Posted - 2016.05.17 18:04:04 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Making it impossible for an interceptor to hold down a carrier until help arrives is probably bad for pvp. It makes the 'gate of 100 bubbles' too strong. It's getting too easy to just bubble up a pipe or side spur of systems and carrier rat risk free in null.
Between the changes to the watch list and carriers being able to insta wonk sub capitals CCP is sending a clear message they don't want anyone hunting capital ships with anything but luck and cynos.
maybe they want more capitals in space thus you need caps to kill caps, fly around pvp'ing in a capital long enough and someone will drop you
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Jessie McPewpew
U2EZ
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Posted - 2016.05.17 18:58:07 -
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Someone hasn't heard of network sensor arrays. |
Jessie McPewpew
U2EZ
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Posted - 2016.05.17 19:03:01 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Making it impossible for an interceptor to hold down a carrier until help arrives is probably bad for pvp. It makes the 'gate of 100 bubbles' too strong. It's getting too easy to just bubble up a pipe or side spur of systems and carrier rat risk free in null.
Between the changes to the watch list and carriers being able to insta wonk sub capitals CCP is sending a clear message they don't want anyone hunting capital ships with anything but luck and cynos. Quoting because cyno is too much work. Can't be arsed to go that far for a carrier kill. |
Terquil
Random Thinking Union Random Thinking
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Posted - 2016.05.17 20:01:07 -
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Buff carriers, they are useless! nonono wait, wait i meant nerf! nerf!
perhaps people should adapt and work out new tactics before they whine.
"My all-time-ever-stupid-carrier-tackle-because-they-cant-do-****-tactic doesnt work anymore, carriers really should be nerfed!"
try again |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5089
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Posted - 2016.05.17 22:38:03 -
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Carriers are fine. Now we just need to buff Battleships...
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Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
19
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Posted - 2016.05.18 00:27:53 -
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Terquil wrote:Buff carriers, they are useless! nonono wait, wait i meant nerf! nerf! I never wanted them buffed and I have no interest in ever flying one.
Terquil wrote:perhaps people should adapt and work out new tactics before they whine.
"My all-time-ever-stupid-carrier-tackle-because-they-cant-do-****-tactic doesnt work anymore, carriers really should be nerfed!"
try again What tactic counters being instagibbed in anything but another capital? "Please don't take my i win button. I can't get kills if I have to do anything more complicated than push F1 and I couldn't adapt to being tackled." Try again. |
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5089
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Posted - 2016.05.18 01:06:28 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Says the totally unbiased carrier pilot whose killboard has exactly 0 carriers on it since February. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had to be a victim of stupidity to participate in this thread... It's not like CCP made any of the proposed carrier changes available in the last few months. Oh wait...
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2588
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Posted - 2016.05.18 01:06:31 -
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This totally reminds me of the pirate ship rebalance.
No, not that one. Dominion.
Everyone bar none thought the Machariel was going to be terrible. Which was followed by years of absolutely Machariel dominance for years. I'll laugh if we get that again. |
Daemun Khanid
Kameiran Order Team Amarrica
551
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Posted - 2016.05.18 03:19:50 -
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You're complaining about getting insta-popped in a flipping condor? Not even a fast condor? 3k lol. A worm could insta-pop you. Carriers are less than helpless now, good for them. Have they been over buffed? I dunno but it certainly isn't as extreme as you make it out to be. Claiming the "inst-gib" anything less than a cap and using a condor as your comparison isnt exactly supportive to your argument. Show us a BS (not crap fit) getting insta-popped and maybe ppl will care. Maybe a crap fit t1 frig isnt the best ship to hold down a frigging carrier, maybe think of that? Maybe the navy should send out a canoe to shut down the enemy fleet next time there's a naval conflict.
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Terquil
Random Thinking Union Random Thinking
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Posted - 2016.05.18 07:41:50 -
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Maybe......MAYBE a ****-frig which everyone can fly after 2 weeks isn't supposed to tackle and hold a ship in place which one can fly after YEARS... before citadel those carriers were just helpless, now you can't solo them anymore which is good. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2882
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Posted - 2016.05.18 08:25:27 -
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Terquil wrote:Maybe......MAYBE a ****-frig which everyone can fly after 2 weeks isn't supposed to tackle and hold a ship in place which one can fly after YEARS... before citadel those carriers were just helpless, now you can't solo them anymore which is good.
oh and besides: who said you need another capital? Oh...forget it. I do not expect a null/lowsec F1 monkey to work out something new
bit easier to just drop a dread on a combat carrier than suffer battleship losses from fighters thus capitals to kill capitals is a bit more efficient, who are you calling an f1 monkey?
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Terquil
Random Thinking Union Random Thinking
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Posted - 2016.05.18 09:00:10 -
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everyone, because it describes what we love \o/
easier for others, yes. easier for him, no.
Since he flies a condor and speaking from KB, he/they (whatever corp or not) would be better off trying new tactics with subcaps. just saying
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
15802
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Posted - 2016.05.18 09:05:52 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:This totally reminds me of the pirate ship rebalance. No, not that one. Dominion. Everyone bar none thought the Machariel was going to be terrible. Which was followed by years of absolutely Machariel dominance for years. I'll laugh if we get that again.
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Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
185
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Posted - 2016.05.18 12:35:21 -
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Carriers that are camping this way at a distance to gate with their fighters at zero on gate are easy to remove - just drop combat scanner probes on grid with them and watch them run! |
Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
466
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Posted - 2016.05.18 13:14:56 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:So last night I was somehow locked in less than 5 seconds and instapopped from 105km away while doing 3000+km/s at a 120-¦ angle in a condor. Not cool.
Read patchnotes.
1: Angle doesn't matter. 2: Carriers easily get 900+ Scanres now. 3: Stay away from the fighters. (Oh yeah they can go kinda fast, for 20 sec per minute or so.)
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5097
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Posted - 2016.05.18 14:10:31 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:1: Angle doesn't matter. 2: Carriers easily get 900+ Scanres now. 3: Stay away from the fighters. (Oh yeah they can go kinda fast, for 20 sec per minute or so.) Is it wrong to be enjoying this so much?
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1139
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Posted - 2016.05.18 14:24:08 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote: What tactic counters being instagibbed in anything but another capital? "Please don't take my i win button. I can't get kills if I have to do anything more complicated than push F1 and I couldn't adapt to being tackled like everyone else." Try again.
lol, funny that you play the adapt card, as you are the one who needs to adapt now :D |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
187
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Posted - 2016.05.18 15:25:44 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:So last night I was somehow locked in less than 5 seconds and instapopped from 105km away while doing 3000+km/s at a 120-¦ angle in a condor. Not cool.
The carrier blapped you with the missile ability , which , like all missiles , is not affected by transversal. |
Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
19
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Posted - 2016.05.18 17:42:43 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:Says the totally unbiased carrier pilot whose killboard has exactly 0 carriers on it since February. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had to be a victim of stupidity to participate in this thread... It's not like CCP made any of the proposed carrier changes available in the last few months. Oh wait... You need to have actually fought something before you can tell if it's balanced. This is basic common sense.
Robert Caldera wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote: What tactic counters being instagibbed in anything but another capital? "Please don't take my i win button. I can't get kills if I have to do anything more complicated than push F1 and I couldn't adapt to being tackled like everyone else." Try again.
lol, funny that you play the adapt card, as you are the one who needs to adapt now :D Again, How should I adapt to being instapopped? |
Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
19
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Posted - 2016.05.18 17:59:04 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:[quote=Zathra Narazi] Read patchnotes.
1: Angle doesn't matter. 2: Carriers easily get 900+ Scanres now. 3: Stay away from the fighters. (Oh yeah they can go kinda fast, for 20 sec per minute or so.)
Why do you think I'm not aware of the very things I'm complaining about? |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1139
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Posted - 2016.05.18 18:48:37 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote: Again, How should I adapt to being instapopped?
fit more tank? Dont mess with carriers when flying a condor?
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1448
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Posted - 2016.05.18 18:52:31 -
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warp away before the extremely slow fighters get to you?
You shouldn't be able to solo tackle a carrier, that's just dumb |
Daemun Khanid
Kameiran Order Team Amarrica
554
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Posted - 2016.05.18 18:57:17 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:You're complaining about getting insta-popped in a flipping condor? Not even a fast condor? 3k lol. A worm could insta-pop you. Carriers are less than helpless now, good for them. Have they been over buffed? I dunno but it certainly isn't as extreme as you make it out to be. Claiming the "inst-gib" anything less than a cap and using a condor as your comparison isnt exactly supportive to your argument. Show us a BS (not crap fit) getting insta-popped and maybe ppl will care. Maybe a crap fit t1 frig isnt the best ship to hold down a frigging carrier, maybe think of that? Maybe the navy should send out a canoe to shut down the enemy fleet next time there's a naval conflict. Who said it was based on a condor? Go read the forum. I'm far from the only one complaining. Carriers are soloing small fleets of subcaps now.
Zathra Narazi wrote:So last night I was somehow locked in less than 5 seconds and instapopped from 105km away while doing 3000+km/s at a 120-¦ angle in a condor. Not cool.
Like I said, you are complaining about getting killed in a condor. You accuse ppl of misquoting you but you don't seem to remember your own post. Btw, these are the forums in case you didn't notice. As for carriers soloing small fleets of "subcaps," that's an INCREDIBLY broad statement. Are they soloing small frigate fleets? If so then good. Frigates shouldn't be capable of holding down a carrier alone. Are they soloing dessi's? See above. Are they soloing cruisers? See above but they should live at least a few moments. Are they soloing BS fleets? If so how many BS's? Are they crap fit and flown by idiots? If so then they should probably still win vs a "small fleet" but it should be a decent fight.
A well fit and flown BS can solo a small cruiser fleet if they don't have their crap together. Why should a multi-billion isk carrier be any different?
Just saying "they are soloing subcaps" includes everything from rookie ships to marauders. So again... your complaints (mostly just tears) are pointless.
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Daemun Khanid
Kameiran Order Team Amarrica
554
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Posted - 2016.05.18 19:03:32 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:[quote=Zathra Narazi] Read patchnotes.
1: Angle doesn't matter. 2: Carriers easily get 900+ Scanres now. 3: Stay away from the fighters. (Oh yeah they can go kinda fast, for 20 sec per minute or so.)
Why do you think I'm not aware of the very things I'm complaining about?
Angle NEVER matters vs drones/fighters/missiles and yet you make a point of your "angle" to the carrier... Carriers are capable of (relatively) rapid lock times now yet you complain about being locked rapidly... I assume if you knew much about the fighters you'd be more carefull if you saw a flight of them heading towards you...
So why exactly are you surprised that ppl don't seem to think you are aware of how the things you're complaining about work?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12079
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Posted - 2016.05.18 19:35:04 -
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An XL Desalinisation Plant, nurse, stat!
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Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
19
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Posted - 2016.05.18 19:49:12 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:Carriers are capable of (relatively) rapid lock times now yet you complain about being locked rapidly... Thank you captain obvious. If they weren't capable of that I wouldn't be complaining about it, would I?
Tsukino Stareine wrote:warp away before the extremely slow fighters get to you?
You shouldn't be able to solo tackle a carrier, that's just dumb I died less than 5 seconds after arrival. How is that "extremely slow"? Why should capitals be exempt from the same game mechanics as every other ship in Eve? And I never said I was trying to tackle it. Why would I warp in at 100km if I was trying to tackle it? That doesn't make any sense. I was following FC orders to warp in at 100km, burn to 180km and let him know when I got there. |
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