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Eve Serie7
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.21 13:41:55 -
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Im not fine with Fighter changes and guess this is a waste of ISK. created a poll. with the ability to add answers. Rule and Vote Folks.
Want the ability Carrier with Drones back, or improve Fighters. |
Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.21 13:52:54 -
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other: nerf carriers |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2016.05.21 14:15:33 -
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This thread is gonna go places....
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Eve Serie7
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.21 15:30:45 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:This thread is gonna go places....
and we need that :). Also its a constructive Poll. There was a possibility of 10 Drones 1 Fighter/Drone per Level better then just 5% Damage.
Proposal:
Minmatar Carrier Bonus (per skill level):
+1 Fighter in Squad / +1 Drone (Base : 4 Fighter/4 Drones - Level 5 : 9 Fighter/9 Drones)
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2.5% bonus to Fighter/Drone velocity 5% bonus to Dromi/Electronic Warfare Drone Stasis Webification range 1% bonus to Siege Warfare and Skirmish Warfare Links effectiveness
Role Bonus:
Can fit Networked Sensor Array Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously Can launch Light and Support Fighters, Drones Can lock at extended ranges |
Galaxxis
Unicorn Rampage
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Posted - 2016.05.21 18:38:30 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:This thread is gonna go places....
It's going right in the trash bin where it belongs. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.05.21 20:43:56 -
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This poll is not constructive as it doesn't construct anything constructive beyond a whole ocean of salty tears. That is not 'constructive' in any sense that CCP will pay attention to
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.21 21:02:43 -
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Bumblefck wrote:This poll is not constructive as it doesn't construct anything constructive beyond a whole ocean of salty tears. That is not 'constructive' in any sense that CCP will pay attention to
Hey, one of the "other" response tot he pool is "checkbox" suggesting the answers should of been selected by checkboxes instead of those stupid circles. If that is not constructive... |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2016.05.21 21:11:52 -
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A change should be made because it has a reason to be made, not because it's popular. Give logical reasoning for it first.
The Drake is a Lie
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.21 21:46:19 -
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The only change that should be made is removing the instalocking carriers which alpha every cruiser and below from the field.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2016.05.22 06:04:10 -
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Topic Moved to player Features and ideas discussion.
~ISD Buldath
Commander
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.05.22 06:22:33 -
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ISD Buldath wrote:Topic Moved to player Features and ideas discussion. Why? You and I both know OP is simply going to get trolled out F&I. Hell, I was halfway through my own post pointing out all the flaws in his suggestion when I simply decided not to bother, as most people on this forum recognize the likelyhood of the devs actually implementing this idea to be somewhere between none and not gonna happen.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2016.05.22 06:48:44 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:This thread is gonna go places....
OMG. YOU WERE RIGHT.
Welcome to F&I. Please propose a well thought-out idea. This isn't it. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
2602
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Posted - 2016.05.22 07:15:33 -
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carriers are fine as is the main issue is dreads are just better now
what we have now is
ppl flying and fitting them like they are the old dps carriers. these ppl say they are UP
and
ppl fighting them like they are the old carriers. these ppl say they are OP
with a support fleet they are arguably stronger than before in the damage role but without they are beyond a doubt weaker. balance working as intended
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Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2016.05.22 23:36:25 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:other: nerf carriers This. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.23 00:16:40 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Hawke Frost wrote:other: nerf carriers This.
How much more do you want them nerfed? Bring a single Griffin and a carrier is useless.
This is what I mean by people not adapting and using new counters to a new ship
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.23 01:39:09 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:Hawke Frost wrote:other: nerf carriers This. How much more do you want them nerfed? Bring a single Griffin and a carrier is useless. This is what I mean by people not adapting and using new counters to a new ship
A) carriers have hilariously high sensor strength b) according to your logic the Svipul isn't OP at all, you can just jam it. |
darkneko
Black Cat mining Inc.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 03:27:49 -
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Why should they nerf a ship that takes years for a player to master and costs billions to buy and fit propaply yet can still be taken down by a well fit fleet of frigits? I know a carrier shouldn't be perfect or be able to wipe out a fleet all on its own but how far do you want to nerf something before it becomes pointless and you start complaining about the next ship on the list. |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
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Posted - 2016.05.23 04:08:21 -
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I'm sorry, what is the problem with carriers not being able to use drones?
I am enjoying the fighters along with the finer control I have over fighters. So... convince me why drones are better than fighters?
Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.23 05:14:44 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:Hawke Frost wrote:other: nerf carriers This. How much more do you want them nerfed? Bring a single Griffin and a carrier is useless. This is what I mean by people not adapting and using new counters to a new ship A) carriers have hilariously high sensor strength b) according to your logic the Svipul isn't OP at all, you can just jam it.
and another great example of you trying to use old tactics on new ships
hers is a hint don't jam the carrier jam the fighters. even an unbounded ship can reliably jam a fighter and any ECM ship will always perma jam any fighter.
a svip can not be 100% jammed 100% of the time fighters can
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.23 05:30:29 -
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Ah, suddenly I realize why you're so stingy, you just lost a carrier. I'm sure you have a totally unbiased view on how balanced they are. |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.23 06:02:51 -
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O.o i lost one a week ago against a goon gang i would hardly call that a good test of what they can do. and there was no ECM involved.
what i do know is they do far less dps than a dread with HAW are much easier to shut down are far more expensive to feild and can't kill anything that has a decent tank if logi is on field.
you can also go look and see my opinion on them has only slightly changed since they were on sisi and it has gone from "my god they are under-powered" to " okay they are decent but there are very few things they do better than other cheaper ships"
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darkneko
Black Cat mining Inc.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 07:33:27 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
what i do know is they do far less dps than a dread with HAW are much easier to shut down are far more expensive to feild and can't kill anything that has a decent tank if logi is on field.
This is a good point espically since carriers no longer have a login role you can't just bring along one friend in a basi or other carrier to rep with. It's hard to see where they fit in to a fleet now. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2016.05.23 07:38:25 -
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when did CCP give us something back, we wanted? |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.23 07:41:24 -
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darkneko wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
what i do know is they do far less dps than a dread with HAW are much easier to shut down are far more expensive to feild and can't kill anything that has a decent tank if logi is on field.
This is a good point espically since carriers no longer have a login role you can't just bring along one friend in a basi or other carrier to rep with. It's hard to see where they fit in to a fleet now.
oh i also forgot a dread can swap to anti capital if you are counter dropped a carrier just has to sit there and look dumb when a few dreads cyno in
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.23 07:42:12 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:when did CCP give us something back, we wanted?
... we uhh can have music back out of hs now.... that counts right?
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darkneko
Black Cat mining Inc.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 07:42:52 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:when did CCP give us something back, we wanted?
Personally I don't want anything back just a balance to what was taken. Like one more support squad would be perfect so you could Web and scram at least.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.23 08:12:24 -
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darkneko wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:when did CCP give us something back, we wanted? Personally I don't want anything back just a balance to what was taken. Like one more support squad would be perfect so you could Web and scram at least.
except support fighters are kinda crap
the ecm ones are a joke
the neut one is okayish
and a wep+point should be covered by your support fleet.
now if capitals got an extra support fighter + a bonus to the strengths of all fighters (not just racial) then maybe
another option is give them local e-war boost modulus (like the projected ones on suppers) and give them local bonuses to their racial type. this would also show a progression in the class from carrier to supper
but overall i don't think carriers are all that weak again the issue is everything they do now is done better by something else E-war would just give them a way to further differentiate themselves
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Eve Serie7
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.23 09:48:30 -
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Petrified wrote:I'm sorry, what is the problem with carriers not being able to use drones?
I am enjoying the fighters along with the finer control I have over fighters. So... convince me why drones are better than fighters?
1. - Belongs to Situation Drones can be better. e.G. :) our PVE Stuff (AutoAggro).
2. - Fighters are much more expensive 3Mill+ per Fighter // 500k per Drone.
3. - in addition Fighters cost more ISK the are weaker check 'augumented Ogre II' with Drone Rigs.
4. - ... so on at least you have to improve here fighters or something give them struct, armor and resists. |
Eve Serie7
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.23 09:56:13 -
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Xercodo wrote:A change should be made because it has a reason to be made, not because it's popular. Give logical reasoning for it first.
- Fighters cost more Isk, they are weaker, useless for PVE (Die Fast), logical reason ?
- a Carrier with AntiFighterSquads against a Mom with Squads of Heavys, nobody can win. The AntiFighters kill all Heavys and do no Damage against the Mom.
- What about RepairDrones, big reason :)
- and so on
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.23 10:26:56 -
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Eve Serie7 wrote:Petrified wrote:I'm sorry, what is the problem with carriers not being able to use drones?
I am enjoying the fighters along with the finer control I have over fighters. So... convince me why drones are better than fighters? 1. - Belongs to Situation Drones can be better. e.G. :) our PVE Stuff (AutoAggro). 2. - Fighters are much more expensive 3Mill+ per Fighter // 500k per Drone. 3. - in addition Fighters cost more ISK the are weaker check 'augumented Ogre II' with Drone Rigs. 4. - ... so on at least you have to improve here fighters or something give them struct, armor and resists. Xercodo wrote:A change should be made because it has a reason to be made, not because it's popular. Give logical reasoning for it first. - What about RepairDrones, other big reason :) also Fighter die really fast according to their Price.
1 to bad for your pve they were breaking pvp also you can insta lock now so you don't need auto agro just don't go afk
2 they are far to expensive and you are closer going with 81M vs 2.5 mill (full flight vs full flight)
3 fighters have more HP particularly with FSUs and the drone rigs work on them as well
4 no the fact that it is all in shield gives them more tank as it gives them better HP/s
yes fighters are far to easy to kill for how much they cost.
the cost is again compounded with the carrier hull having the same cost as a dread. meaning carriers are now more expensive to field than dreads.
but these are issues to adress with fighters and not reasons to give carriers back drones
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