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Drykor
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.02.25 23:54:00 -
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In my opinion cap boosters donĘt belong in Eve and IĘll explain why. They basically mean that every ship using a cap booster (and sufficient repair modules to tank the damage) can live longer than any other kind of setup. It doesnĘt really matter how good your setup is, what your resists are and/or how much hp you have and regain passively, as long as you have cap boosters and thereby capacitor energy, you will live.
This means that cargospace is an actual important property for pvp, a thing that should never be true in my opinion. It makes things somewhat boring since a non-capacitor boosting ship will almost never have a chance against one that does use them (in most cases). The ability to just get energy out of nowhere means that almost everyone will fit them on ships that can actually tank some damage in pvp (battlecruisers, battleships and above)
I realise they are an important safety cord for some missionrunners but IĘd suggest to at least improve their size so we wonĘt see pvp with many cargo containers in ship cargoholds, all filled with cap booster 800Ęs.
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Aaron Zebulun
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Posted - 2007.02.26 00:02:00 -
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You're forgetting tho you can only hold so many, i usually only get 18 in my ship. Its not like we're pulling 800 charges out of our asses, they take up alot of room, and once theyre gone thats it, we're screwed becuase the setup relys on it. now i think a rough guess means with 4 already in my booster, ive got a total of 250 maybe nearing 300 seconds of continuous booster running there, thats only about 4 minuts. And if you're nossing me the whole time, you have a constant supply of cap too.
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Duana
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.26 00:02:00 -
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I think this is a bit too overgeneralized. Perhaps in a 1v1 situation in similarly sized ships this type of thing would be true. But there is always going to be some maximum dps any tank can defend against, regardless of how long your capacitor stays strong. Once called primary and a few ships of similar size are spraying down fire on it, at some point the shield boosting or armor repairers are simply not going to be able to keep up with it. -------------------- Juffo-Wup fills my fibers and I grow turgid. Violent action ensues.
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Sgt Blade
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 00:02:00 -
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well there are times where a person can unleash enough damage so that the reps cant keep up... many a times where i hae seen it happen where the guy cant tank fastenough... even with lots of cap you can still go down
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Warrio
Ruin Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 00:05:00 -
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Without cap boosters NOS would simply win Eve hands down even more than it does atm. As a great user of the Curse, the Myrm and the NosDomi I think this is a great idea but in practise it would make for some really predictable PvP fights as whoever had the most NOS wins easily. Yarr etc. |
Drykor
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.02.26 00:18:00 -
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I don't really think nosferatu's are really balanced either.. they should suffer from tracking or have some other kind of penalty. Because 1 thing is flawed doesn't mean something else should stay in place to make that 1 thing less worse though.
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Durham Elysion
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2007.02.26 00:24:00 -
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I was using booster 800's on my mega today versus a rokh with 4 heavy dim noses, my cap was still draining, and due to the dual LAR II setup I had to use Ions, and therefore not having enough DPS to bring him down. That kinda sucked :(
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.02.26 00:37:00 -
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Cap boosters have other limitations. Think about long range raiding parties out side of empire space. If you go deep into 0.0 with hostiles around your ship only lasts as long as you can cap boosters. Its not like you can just dock and get more.
While NOS needs a rebalanced the only counter is still cap boosters even if the effect is reduced. Short of out right jamming NOS has no other counter.
While were talking about cargo space :P you should know that again your ship is limited, i could choose to only bring enough ammo for one maybe two fights and only of one type and fill the rest of my space with boosters... but then what happens if we have 3+ fights or im in deep 0.0 where i cant buy more ammo. What if the damage type im doing is far less effective or i need more range? I am forced to balance my damage/range options, number of engagements, and tank/cap all in one very small cargo hold.
Cap boosters are part of the game and a good one at that. They are very limited and do not give you an unlimited tank.
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.02.26 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Drykor In my opinion cap boosters donĘt belong in Eve and IĘll explain why. They basically mean that every ship using a cap booster (and sufficient repair modules to tank the damage) can live longer than any other kind of setup. It doesnĘt really matter how good your setup is, what your resists are and/or how much hp you have and regain passively, as long as you have cap boosters and thereby capacitor energy, you will live.
Try this little experiment:
Buy a Megathron, fit it with T2 blasters, fit it with a microwarpdrive, fit it with a rep, don't fit a cap booster.
Now try and kill something.
Now see why we need cap boosters? ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Damien's our #1 subscriber!! - CCP |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.26 00:55:00 -
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This man does not fly blasterboats, and therefore his opinion on cap boosters is irrelevant. --------------------
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.26 01:07:00 -
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this thread really isnt worth it cap booster are fine as is
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Attonasi
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.26 01:39:00 -
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The fitting requirements for cap boosters are also pretty high. They aren't exactly free cap. =P I hate forums
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Kun'mi
Amarr An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.26 01:50:00 -
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I'm sorry, but you're crazy and biased.
You've OBVIOUSLY never flown an Amarr ship, or one that requires alot of cap. I do not undock without a cap injector on any of my amarr ships. To run all my modules without one means sacrificing a MINIMUM of THREE SLOTS for cap rechargers, cap power relays etc.
IMO the cap injector is the only thing that keeps Amarr setups viable in PVP.
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Lrrp
Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange
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Posted - 2007.02.26 02:00:00 -
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So another item x is unfair. Try doing say a lvl 4 Mordus headhunter without a cap booster. Nano's, WCS's, ECM, Istabs and now cap boosters. Lets just eliminate everything, create only 1 ship that everyone can use equally from day one and make EVE a FPS game.
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Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.02.26 02:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kassidus on 26/02/2007 02:00:31 Edited by: Kassidus on 26/02/2007 02:00:16 I dont agree Cap booster use up crazy ammounts of cargo space, tons of grid and cpu limiting your load out options, and because if everyone running around with 4 or more NOS per ship, its necessary to stay alive.
This post is nonsence.
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Gwendolyne Croft
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Posted - 2007.02.26 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: hotgirl933 this thread really isnt worth it cap booster are fine as is
Oh! Thats means they have to be nerfed. If a player says its ok, then its overpowered
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Suvetar
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.26 11:19:00 -
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Folks, please keep it constructive and respectful, Thanks!
Now that's out the way; this is my opinion as a player. (and not indicative in anyway of CCP or ISD stance on this :P )
Saying EVE shouldn't have CapBoosters is like Saying WOW shouldn't have Mana and health potions. When it comes down to it, you can only have so many - and can only use them so often; it doesn't take long to take a ship using them down.
On the other hand, it is (imho) bad that certain ships, blaster boats mainly, and ships that have an MWD bonus essentially can't work without them.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.26 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Suvetar On the other hand, it is (imho) bad that certain ships, blaster boats mainly, and ships that have an MWD bonus essentially can't work without them.
QFT
Kinda sucky that blasterboats have a very finite number of fights before they need to 'refuel'.
OTOH, they are Eve's answer to sex, so I suppose there should be some downsides --------------------
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2007.02.26 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Drykor I don't really think nosferatu's are really balanced either.. they should suffer from tracking or have some other kind of penalty. Because 1 thing is flawed doesn't mean something else should stay in place to make that 1 thing less worse though.
Ahh, NOS with tracking penalty; I would have gotten that (new) Gallente BC kill had that been the case... Though, I don't much like the idea, I would have liked the kill!
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Laythun
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 11:37:00 -
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Is this a nerf Amarr thread? It sure sounds like a nerf Amarr thread
/emote gets boots of flaming ready
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Malakhan
Gallente Phoenix Wing Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.02.26 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lrrp Try doing say a lvl 4 Mordus headhunter without a cap booster.
Easy.. Dominix with 133 second cap recharge time 4tw ---
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.26 11:47:00 -
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Save your whineage until people starts using NeutCapBoostDomis.
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Drykor
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.02.26 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Suvetar Folks, please keep it constructive and respectful, Thanks!
Now that's out the way; this is my opinion as a player. (and not indicative in anyway of CCP or ISD stance on this :P )
Saying EVE shouldn't have CapBoosters is like Saying WOW shouldn't have Mana and health potions. When it comes down to it, you can only have so many - and can only use them so often; it doesn't take long to take a ship using them down.
On the other hand, it is (imho) bad that certain ships, blaster boats mainly, and ships that have an MWD bonus essentially can't work without them.
Exactly my point though. I never played WoW but I did play a game where you could just swallow potions for as long as needed and this is one of those things that made pvp pretty boring and the whole concept of it was fundamentally flawed there. With some responses here I can see that some ships in Eve pretty much need it though, so maybe I was uninformed, still I'd like other solutions for them rather than having to use 'potions'. In every game I played they made pvp more boring and actually encouraged MORE of the same playing style instead of opening up other possibilities in pvp. If this is not the case in Eve then my knowledge of it has just been lacking and I guess I'll eat my words, but I'd still like to see some alternatives for their use on cap intense ships.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.26 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Drykor
Originally by: Suvetar Folks, please keep it constructive and respectful, Thanks!
Now that's out the way; this is my opinion as a player. (and not indicative in anyway of CCP or ISD stance on this :P )
Saying EVE shouldn't have CapBoosters is like Saying WOW shouldn't have Mana and health potions. When it comes down to it, you can only have so many - and can only use them so often; it doesn't take long to take a ship using them down.
On the other hand, it is (imho) bad that certain ships, blaster boats mainly, and ships that have an MWD bonus essentially can't work without them.
Exactly my point though. I never played WoW but I did play a game where you could just swallow potions for as long as needed and this is one of those things that made pvp pretty boring and the whole concept of it was fundamentally flawed there. With some responses here I can see that some ships in Eve pretty much need it though, so maybe I was uninformed, still I'd like other solutions for them rather than having to use 'potions'. In every game I played they made pvp more boring and actually encouraged MORE of the same playing style instead of opening up other possibilities in pvp. If this is not the case in Eve then my knowledge of it has just been lacking and I guess I'll eat my words, but I'd still like to see some alternatives for their use on cap intense ships.
I too would like a Blasterthron which performs as well as ever but does not depend on cap boosters. Yes plz CCP. --------------------
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Duana Juffo-Wup fills my fibers and I grow turgid. Violent action ensues.
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Star Control II ftw!
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Acinonyx Jubatus
International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Save your whineage until people starts using NeutCapBoostDomis.
h8
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Riho
Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.26 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lrrp So another item x is unfair. Try doing say a lvl 4 Mordus headhunter without a cap booster. Nano's, WCS's, ECM, Istabs and now cap boosters. Lets just eliminate everything, create only 1 ship that everyone can use equally from day one and make EVE a FPS game.
i can do the last stage whitout a capbooster and large SB :)
u have to be smart about it....
back on topic.
cap boosters are NEEDED on amarr ships 100% allso blaster ships higher than Cruisers need em. allso caldari rail BSs (if enyone hasnt used 425mm rails.... damn those eat cap like hell)
other races have the nice advantage of no cap guns.
cap boosters dont need a nerf. they are one of the only things we have against NOS and most of the time it wount help enyways.
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FromBeyond TheGrave
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.26 13:32:00 -
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I don't suppose you've tried belt pirating in a blaster boat have you?
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Timeto Die
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Posted - 2007.02.26 13:37:00 -
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Eve is like playing super advanced scissors-paper-stone with 10 hands behind your back.
Don't limit the options and make it, erm, straight up scissors-paper-stone.
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FromBeyond TheGrave
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.26 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Timeto Die Eve is like playing super advanced scissors-paper-stone with 10 hands behind your back.
Don't limit the options and make it, erm, straight up scissors-paper-stone.
ROCK PAPER SCISSORS!
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