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Dom Arkaral
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Posted - 2016.05.23 15:17:24 -
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Tyyler DURden wrote:Kind of like turning your guns on and blowing up someones pod, right Dom? Thats considered pvp too right? does it involve more than one toon? there's your answer
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.05.23 15:38:19 -
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even pve is pvp
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Dom Arkaral
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Posted - 2016.05.23 15:40:10 -
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Lan Wang wrote:even pve is pvp gotta sell that dank loot or gotta kill the overseer before that other dood or gotta kill that other dood because he tried to steal my lootz
:D
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 15:46:10 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:But seriously Lan, all that's happening here is that your own definition of PvP is a tad narrower than that promulgated by CCP, and others.
It's worse. Lan's definition of PvP is contradicted by the very definitions of "player" and "versus".
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 15:51:54 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:Kind of like turning your guns on and blowing up someones pod, right Dom? Thats considered pvp too right? does it involve more than one toon? there's your answer I just find it a bit humorous that you cant keep your B.S. straight from one thread to the next. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6452359#post6452359
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Dom Arkaral
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Posted - 2016.05.23 16:04:51 -
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Tyyler DURden wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:Kind of like turning your guns on and blowing up someones pod, right Dom? Thats considered pvp too right? does it involve more than one toon? there's your answer I just find it a bit humorous that you cant keep your B.S. straight from one thread to the next. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6452359#post6452359 damnit 1 sec
edit: is that the best you got? Cry me a river :D Everyone is entitled an opinion, and opinions change. People don't though, that's why you'll always come crying when I post, wherever I post :D
Praise James and great soundcloud yet again Sasha :D
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2991
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Posted - 2016.05.23 16:14:31 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:Kind of like turning your guns on and blowing up someones pod, right Dom? Thats considered pvp too right? does it involve more than one toon? there's your answer I just find it a bit humorous that you cant keep your B.S. straight from one thread to the next. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6452359#post6452359 damnit 1 sec edit: is that the best you got? Cry me a river :DEveryone is entitled an opinion, and opinions change. People don't though, that's why you'll always come crying when I post, wherever I post :D Praise James and great soundcloud yet again Sasha :D
Gotta admit that was pretty good lol
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.23 17:02:14 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Sasha Nemtsov wrote:But seriously Lan, all that's happening here is that your own definition of PvP is a tad narrower than that promulgated by CCP, and others. It's worse. Lan's definition of PvP is contradicted by the very definitions of "player" and "versus".
Hi Revis, I was feeling charitable when I wrote that. It does happen, occasionally.
Your amplification is correct, and welcome.
The point is not what we, the players, think should be the definition of PvP. The point is what CCP hf has determined it shall be. All aspects of the game design are conceived and executed in light of their decision in that regard.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2992
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Posted - 2016.05.23 17:24:24 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Revis Owen wrote:Sasha Nemtsov wrote:But seriously Lan, all that's happening here is that your own definition of PvP is a tad narrower than that promulgated by CCP, and others. It's worse. Lan's definition of PvP is contradicted by the very definitions of "player" and "versus". Hi Revis, I was feeling charitable when I wrote that. It does happen, occasionally. Your amplification is correct, and welcome. The point is not what we, the players, think should be the definition of PvP. The point is what CCP hf has determined it shall be. All aspects of the game design are conceived and executed in light of their decision in that regard.
everyone is a pvp'er, i got it now, sorry guys i was wrong
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2016.05.23 17:38:04 -
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Lan Wang wrote:everyone is a pvp'er, i got it now, sorry guys i was wrong You might do only PvE activities (like only shooting rats), but the EvE server is a pure PvP server. So you are not operating within a vacuum. When someone decides to shoot you, or deny you freedom to farm by being in the same system and you consciously docking up to deny him a kill, you are engaged in PvP even though you only do PvE content.
It's not that hard to understand.
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Exaido
Fire Over Light
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Posted - 2016.05.23 17:40:07 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't know if I want to start with the fact that people who get ganked actually are armed most of the time, or by pointing out that its completely irrelevant whether or not the involved parties are armed.
The thing that makes a particular interaction "Player Versus Player" is that the involved parties are all players (this is what the Ps in PVP mean) and that one is trying to do something that that the other wants the other wants them to fail at (This is the Versus, which is the V).
It bothers me that I have to explain a three word, simple English phrase that is its own definition to another (presumably) adult human being.
Versus implies opposition. Ganking implies the inability to provide opposition. Ergo. Ganking does not equal PVP. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2016.05.23 17:44:33 -
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Exaido wrote:Versus implies opposition. Ganking implies the inability to provide opposition. Ergo. Ganking does not equal PVP. "In a pure PvP world, there is no consensuality: People can try to mess you about, whether or not you like it; they may run the risk of being attacked by you, your friends, and perhaps the local police force too as a result, but they can still try."
Tranquility is a pure PvP server. Therefore ganking is PvP.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2992
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Posted - 2016.05.23 17:56:44 -
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Maekchu wrote:Exaido wrote:Versus implies opposition. Ganking implies the inability to provide opposition. Ergo. Ganking does not equal PVP. "In a pure PvP world, there is no consensuality: People can try to mess you about, whether or not you like it; they may run the risk of being attacked by you, your friends, and perhaps the local police force too as a result, but they can still try."Tranquility is a pure PvP server. Therefore ganking is PvP.
but you're a ganker not a pvp'er
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Dom Arkaral
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Posted - 2016.05.23 17:59:33 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Maekchu wrote:Exaido wrote:Versus implies opposition. Ganking implies the inability to provide opposition. Ergo. Ganking does not equal PVP. "In a pure PvP world, there is no consensuality: People can try to mess you about, whether or not you like it; they may run the risk of being attacked by you, your friends, and perhaps the local police force too as a result, but they can still try."Tranquility is a pure PvP server. Therefore ganking is PvP. but you're a ganker not a pvp'er ganking involves two or more players therefore it's classified as pvp (Player versus Player)
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2016.05.23 18:01:07 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Maekchu wrote:Exaido wrote:Versus implies opposition. Ganking implies the inability to provide opposition. Ergo. Ganking does not equal PVP. "In a pure PvP world, there is no consensuality: People can try to mess you about, whether or not you like it; they may run the risk of being attacked by you, your friends, and perhaps the local police force too as a result, but they can still try."Tranquility is a pure PvP server. Therefore ganking is PvP. but you're a ganker not a pvp'er Ganking is a subset of PvP, just like mining is a subset of PvE.
PvP and PvE are just two very broad groups of activities that are further split into specialized subgroups.
But that doesn't change the fact, that ganking is still part of the overall group of activities that are under "PvP".
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
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Posted - 2016.05.23 18:13:39 -
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This conversation is awesome. Needs more pedantry though.
WTS extra fine scalpels, ideal for splitting hairs. Convo me.
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
480
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Posted - 2016.05.23 18:16:51 -
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Lan Wang wrote:maybe its a bit narrow of me but i consider pvp as combat to combat, or 2 players engaging in the same activity against each other (pvp = Player vs player, there is no vs in ganking), and many others think this way too, i get that ganking is a form of pvp but the term is soo subjective, ganking is just player killing.
to call the definition "fashioned" is also pretty narrow especially when you tell someone that they are pvp'ing if they fit a shield extender.
Do you consider it pvp when you and 39 of your closest friends burn down an unarmed Guardian?
I do. Just wondered if that falls under ganking or pvp by your lights.
You might consider the danger of trying to define PvP by your own guidelines. More than a few players have disdained the "F1 monkey" as a human powered bot.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2992
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Posted - 2016.05.23 18:41:18 -
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Maekchu wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Maekchu wrote:Exaido wrote:Versus implies opposition. Ganking implies the inability to provide opposition. Ergo. Ganking does not equal PVP. "In a pure PvP world, there is no consensuality: People can try to mess you about, whether or not you like it; they may run the risk of being attacked by you, your friends, and perhaps the local police force too as a result, but they can still try."Tranquility is a pure PvP server. Therefore ganking is PvP. but you're a ganker not a pvp'er Ganking is a subset of PvP, just like mining is a subset of PvE. PvP and PvE are just two very broad groups of activities that are further split into specialized subgroups. But that doesn't change the fact, that ganking is still part of the overall group of activities that are under "PvP".
but its been explained that everything in this game is pvp so pve does not exist because you are constantly in competition with someone else. i get it, ganking is a subset of pvp, but the way things are in every game you are a pvp'er if you focus on player to player combat.
you look anywhere and someone says "im a pvp character" and you instantly know what they are talking about, ship to ship combat, not ganking miners
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Dom Arkaral
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Posted - 2016.05.23 18:44:47 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Maekchu wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Maekchu wrote:Exaido wrote:Versus implies opposition. Ganking implies the inability to provide opposition. Ergo. Ganking does not equal PVP. "In a pure PvP world, there is no consensuality: People can try to mess you about, whether or not you like it; they may run the risk of being attacked by you, your friends, and perhaps the local police force too as a result, but they can still try."Tranquility is a pure PvP server. Therefore ganking is PvP. but you're a ganker not a pvp'er Ganking is a subset of PvP, just like mining is a subset of PvE. PvP and PvE are just two very broad groups of activities that are further split into specialized subgroups. But that doesn't change the fact, that ganking is still part of the overall group of activities that are under "PvP". but its been explained that everything in this game is pvp so pve does not exist because you are constantly in competition with someone else. i get it, ganking is a subset of pvp, but the way things are in every game you are a pvp'er if you focus on player to player combat. you look anywhere and someone says "im a pvp character" and you instantly know what they are talking about, ship to ship combat, not ganking miners Lan Ganking is a much pvp as blobbing is in nullsec. Player Versus Player. How hard is it to understand?
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2016.05.23 18:46:42 -
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we have already determined everything in this game is pvp, and i said i agree numerous times
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.23 19:08:10 -
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Maekchu wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Maekchu wrote:Exaido wrote:Versus implies opposition. Ganking implies the inability to provide opposition. Ergo. Ganking does not equal PVP. "In a pure PvP world, there is no consensuality: People can try to mess you about, whether or not you like it; they may run the risk of being attacked by you, your friends, and perhaps the local police force too as a result, but they can still try."Tranquility is a pure PvP server. Therefore ganking is PvP. but you're a ganker not a pvp'er Ganking is a subset of PvP, just like mining is a subset of PvE. PvP and PvE are just two very broad groups of activities that are further split into specialized subgroups. But that doesn't change the fact, that ganking is still part of the overall group of activities that are under "PvP".
I was thinking this earlier. PvP is an overarching concept, In CCP's view. Example subsets might be piracy, ganking, awoxing, etc.
Perhaps the nay-sayers would like to just give James 315 a hearing and then return to the thread. The arguments you're putting forth here are answered fully by him.
Lan, I note that you've graciously withdrawn from the fray; thanks for your input, though.
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 19:39:52 -
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Lan Wang wrote:you look anywhere and someone says "im a pvp character" and you instantly know what they are talking about, ship to ship combat, not ganking miners
Last I checked, miners are in ships, their gankers are in ships, and combat is the only thing that makes the mining ship pop. Ganking miners is ship to ship combat. It may be very one-sided combat, but encounters with elite PvP'ers often are very one-sided affairs.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.05.23 19:44:40 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Lan Wang wrote:you look anywhere and someone says "im a pvp character" and you instantly know what they are talking about, ship to ship combat, not ganking miners
Last I checked, miners are in ships, their gankers are in ships, and combat is the only thing that makes the mining ship pop. Ganking miners is ship to ship combat. It may be very one-sided combat, but encounters with elite PvP'ers often are very one-sided affairs.
look man, you're a ganker not a pvp'er
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Tyyler DURden
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Posted - 2016.05.23 20:14:36 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:Kind of like turning your guns on and blowing up someones pod, right Dom? Thats considered pvp too right? does it involve more than one toon? there's your answer I just find it a bit humorous that you cant keep your B.S. straight from one thread to the next. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6452359#post6452359 damnit 1 sec edit: is that the best you got? Cry me a river :DEveryone is entitled an opinion, and opinions change. People don't though, that's why you'll always come crying when I post, wherever I post :D Praise James and great soundcloud yet again Sasha :D So your opinion on whether or not podkilling is PvP somehow miraculously changed in the last 30 days. Also your statement that everyone is entitled to an opinion doesn't jive with how often you tell somebody to GTFO when you disagree with them over something in these forums. Dom Arkaral, as consistent as he ever was.
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 20:15:08 -
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Lan Wang wrote:look man, you're a ganker not a pvp'er
A rose by any other name . . . :)
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Dom Arkaral
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Posted - 2016.05.23 20:49:13 -
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stop trying to derail the train Tyler, this ain't a playground for little crybabies like yourself. This is simply another good thread you try to shut down
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Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
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Posted - 2016.05.24 04:48:41 -
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PvP is everywhere in its shining glory. Many ways to PvP too, and all of it (but market PvP) is fun.
This would cure me of the fear...
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.05.24 06:09:10 -
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PVP is like fishing...
1) You have the guy that sits in the lawn chair on the bank cast a bobber and bait in, cracks open a beer and sits there and waits for a bite. 2) You have the guy that has the $100k high tech bass boat with two 3-d fish finders, has the pro rod and can get in places that a person on foot could not get( at least not easily) 3) you have the sea fisherman bigger boat, bigger reel, bigger fish. 4) You have the trot line runner. Sets multi hook lines and checks them twice a day. 5) You have the net fisherman( typcially commerical) 6) you have the fly fisherman who prides himself on his finesse.
At the end of the day, they are all fisherman. They will swear up and down their way is the only way( and best way) to fish. Those other methods... thats not really fishing.
PVP in Eve is the same. It has many facets.
1) Null pvpers- not real pvp because your blobbing and pushing F1. While this may be true for certain alliances. In actual pvp alliances you actually do a minimum amount of this. This is only a small part of the pvp you actually end up doing.
2) Gankers- infamous for picking on the weak. Many consider not to be real pvp since the other side rarely fights back. Gankers have their place. While they do prey on the weak and naive, it is this preying that in part keeps eve from becoming WoW in space. 8 years ago when i started you could load up you indy with faction mods and other loot and head from derelik to jita, hit the AP, go grab some lunch and you would sitting at the gate in jita when you were done. Today i had to go from Hek to Jita in an astero. About 6 jumps into my travels, my dog wanted to go out. 8 years ago i would of hit the AP and taken him out. Today i docked up, took him out, then resumed traveling. It wasnt worth losing a 100 mil isk frig so my dog could go to the bathroom. Now imagine if everyone just did everything in highsec and never had to worry about consequences. It would become carebear land. People wouldnt be encouraged to leave high sec and those mean gankers behind. Now people are like" if im going to risk getting shot or blown up, i might as well do it in a place where i can make 10 times more isk an hour"
3)Wardeccers- The twin brother of gankers. They wardec as many corps and alliances as they can. They keep people who live in null in null. Why should i go to highsec if im wardecced? i cant carebear. Only thing i can do is shop. So null players have shopping alts that contact supplies to other alts in non decced corps that haul. I have very little reason to go to highsec and even less if im being wardecced. Again this keeps eve players from becoming lazy carebears.
4) Faction war pvp- So basically you have experienced pilots going around ganking a bunch of inexperienced players in cheap ships. If thats not bad enough, they are probably worse as blobbing than null sec alliances they just do it in cheaper ships. Ironically, this is the only actual consensual pvp ive mentioned and i know you consent when you undock. However both parties here KNOW they are going to pvp and that is their intent when they undock. Usually one side does not have a choice.
5) Cloaky campers/BLOPS - the bane of every nullsec alliance. You have that awesome ratting system. got time off from ops. Going to get in a little ratting make a couple hundred mil and BOOM! cloaky camper in your system! Now this could be some guy that is AFK in a buzzard. Or it could be a stealth bomber who is going to take out your MTU while you switch between your ratter and your noctis. Or he could be cyno equipped and has 10-20 buddies in blops ready to be all up and down your deadspace fitted rattlesnake like a window shade. You.just.never.know.
All of these will defend their style of pvp. Many will claim the style is the best. Many will claim others arent real pvp. But just like fishing, everyone is doing it Just doing it differently.
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Posted - 2016.05.24 07:14:37 -
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After reading the Eve Forums and feeling generally good about myself, I sat back in my poof eating my Golden Gaytime, the
savoury smells of faggots cooking with bacon wafted in from the kitchen. At that moment I knew all the SJW's could not tell ME
otherwise:
I own MY f'ing language. Whatever those muppets say is white noise.
*scratching my balls, my mind is distracted again*
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
480
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Posted - 2016.05.24 09:00:17 -
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when will the discrimination ends, miners are players too, you know.
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