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Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2016.06.11 01:37:59 -
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Robertina Palazzo wrote:People suck at pvp, so they look for targets that cannot fight back or at least allow an advantage they can live with.
Looking for targets that can't fight back sounds like excellent tactics to me, not "sucking".
I explore; my killboard is entirely red. Do I complain that the people who shot my eggshell explorers suck? No; they won and I lost. They're not idiots for finding the eggshell to shoot at. |
Crinnfika
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.06.11 21:08:10 -
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Well you lot are so quick to judge miners, yet are so ignorant of the reality of highsec mining.
On the subject of "mining afk" Most highsec miners aren't truly afk, miners are however usually doing other tasks (i.e tabbed out or buried in various Eve windows) For example I spend my time mining buried in various market tabs researching where the best places to sell the ore I'm mining. And multitasking like this is important for profit since the low value of highsec ores means that the only way to make decent isk is to maximize time efficiency, which means multitasking whenever possible. Most miners don't "mine afk," most miners do however "mine distracted."
"miners should watch dscan and local." I keep seeing people in this thread saying "miners deserve this for not taking precautions." Look guys, getting ganked while mining is enormously rare. I've never been ganked while mining ever, and the last time my corp lost a miner was 2 months ago. Expecting miners to maintain vigilance for months with no threats in sight is unrealistic.
Mining afk/distracted is like speeding on the interstate, sure you could get pulled over for it but the chance of that happening is so low that you do it anyways, and if you do get pulled over you will just go back to speeding anyways because getting a ticket is a freak occurrence and probably won't happen again. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16252
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Posted - 2016.06.11 21:15:01 -
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^^ how to talk your way onto the list.
Better the Devil you know.
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Dom Arkaral
Kiss. Kill. Destroy. Section.Nine
487
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Posted - 2016.06.11 23:51:48 -
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Crinnfika wrote: and the last time my corp lost a miner was 2 months ago.
Your corp (RMS) lost a ship to CODE. at 19:44 You're a lying miner.
Quote:oh but I have a powerful main somewhere Well post on it or gtfo
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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
979
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Posted - 2016.06.11 23:52:45 -
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Crinnfika wrote:Most [Highsec]miners don't "mine afk," most [Highsec]miners do however "mine distracted."[/i]
Fixed that for you.
Crinnfika wrote: Expecting miners to maintain vigilance for months with no threats in sight is unrealistic. [/i]
Expecting to mine AFK (or whatever you call it) and not occasionally die horribly is unrealistic.
Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
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Areen Sassel
121
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Posted - 2016.06.12 15:01:22 -
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Crinnfika wrote:Well you lot are so quick to judge miners, yet are so ignorant of the reality of highsec mining.
I suppose that's an improvement on the OP calling us liars when we say we don't do it. Thank you for believing us. :-)
Quote:"miners should watch dscan and local." I keep seeing people in this thread saying "miners deserve this for not taking precautions." Look guys, getting ganked while mining is enormously rare. I've never been ganked while mining ever, and the last time my corp lost a miner was 2 months ago. Expecting miners to maintain vigilance for months with no threats in sight is unrealistic.
Like the guy upthread who genuinely enjoys mining, you don't share the OP's complaint. _If_ miners find ganking is a constant problem, _then_ they should watch Local. If it's not, then where's the beef? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26199
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Posted - 2016.06.12 18:27:19 -
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Crinnfika wrote: Most highsec miners aren't truly afk, miners are however usually doing other tasks (i.e tabbed out or buried in various Eve windows) For example I spend my time mining buried in various market tabs researching where the best places to sell the ore I'm mining. And multitasking like this is important for profit since the low value of highsec ores means that the only way to make decent isk is to maximize time efficiency, which means multitasking whenever possible. Most miners don't "mine afk," most miners do however "mine distracted."
Mining distracted is as bad as not being at the keyboard, if you're tabbed out you're essentially AFK because you're not paying attention to the client.
AFK not only stands for Away From Keyboard, it also stands for A Free Kill.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2547
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Posted - 2016.06.12 18:55:59 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Crinnfika wrote: Most highsec miners aren't truly afk, miners are however usually doing other tasks (i.e tabbed out or buried in various Eve windows) For example I spend my time mining buried in various market tabs researching where the best places to sell the ore I'm mining. And multitasking like this is important for profit since the low value of highsec ores means that the only way to make decent isk is to maximize time efficiency, which means multitasking whenever possible. Most miners don't "mine afk," most miners do however "mine distracted."
Mining distracted is as bad as not being at the keyboard, if you're tabbed out you're essentially AFK because you're not paying attention to the client. AFK not only stands for Away From Keyboard, it also stands for A Free Kill. I know right? Can you imagine if a goal tender got bored and wandered off during a match? "Sorry coach, the ball hadn't been near my net in a while, so I decided to multitask and go send an email to my agent."
By all means, make the calculation that mining AFK is more advantageous for you than staying alert and at your keyboard. But don't complain that the game is broken or unfair if you find yourself exploded and in a fresh clone when you come back. You made a choice, took a risk and now you have to live with the consequences. That's the game.
Why Do They Gank?
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Crinnfika
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2016.06.12 20:13:32 -
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Black Pedro wrote: By all means, make the calculation that mining AFK is more advantageous for you than staying alert and at your keyboard. But don't complain that the game is broken or unfair if you find yourself exploded and in a fresh clone when you come back. You made a choice, took a risk and now you have to live with the consequences. That's the game.
I complained about nothing. I merely posted because I am peeved by the amount of willful ignorance and strawman rhetoric being displayed in this thread.
Also being alert is meaningless. Whether you get ganked as a highsec miner is determined by where you choose to fly and what barge you are using. I fly a skiff in backwater systems out in the middle of nowhere and I never see anything more threatening than a astero. But I know miners who never under any circumstance afk or tab out who got/get ganked almost weekly simply because they choose to mine on a pipe or even worse near jita. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26199
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Posted - 2016.06.12 21:27:50 -
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Crinnfika wrote:I complained about nothing. I merely posted because I am peeved by the amount of willful ignorance and strawman rhetoric being displayed in this thread. Willful ignorance means ignoring any input that contradict oneGÇÖs inner model of reality. The, all too, common belief that hisec is a safe area to do stuff afk or without paying attention to your surroundings is a prime example of it, some people call it premeditated stupidity.
Quote:Also being alert is meaningless. Whether you get ganked as a highsec miner is determined by where you choose to fly and what barge you are using. I fly a skiff in backwater systems out in the middle of nowhere and I never see anything more threatening than a astero. But I know miners who never under any circumstance afk or tab out who got/get ganked almost weekly simply because they choose to mine on a pipe or even worse near jita. While you're correct about the ship you fly affecting the chances of getting ganked, the location is not so important unless you're mining in a system where gankers ply their trade. I mine one jump from a major hisec trade pipe chokepoint, not once has anybody attempted to gank me, probably because there's far more lucrative pickings next door in the form of freighters; I start D-scanning when local shows gankers in system and dock up if a gaggle of Catalysts comes within 10AU of me, they ain't after me but better safe than sorry.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Crinnfika
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2016.06.12 22:09:48 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Crinnfika wrote:I complained about nothing. I merely posted because I am peeved by the amount of willful ignorance and strawman rhetoric being displayed in this thread. Willful ignorance means ignoring any input that contradict oneGÇÖs inner model of reality. The, all too, common belief that hisec is a safe area to do stuff afk or without paying attention to your surroundings, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is a prime example of it, some people call it premeditated stupidity. The willful ignorance comment was directed at the people that like to invent ridiculous caricatures of miners just so that they can claim some (non-existent) moral high ground.
Quote:While you're correct about the ship you fly affecting the chances of getting ganked, the location is not so important unless you're mining in a system where gankers ply their trade. I mine one jump from a major hisec trade pipe chokepoint, not once has anybody attempted to gank me, probably because there's far more lucrative pickings next door in the form of freighters; I start D-scanning when local shows gankers in system and dock up if a gaggle of Catalysts comes within 10AU of me, they ain't after me but better safe than sorry. You say that location is not so important and then proceed to give a example of location being important. |
Dom Arkaral
Kiss. Kill. Destroy. Section.Nine
490
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Posted - 2016.06.12 22:40:15 -
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Crinnfika wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Crinnfika wrote:I complained about nothing. I merely posted because I am peeved by the amount of willful ignorance and strawman rhetoric being displayed in this thread. Willful ignorance means ignoring any input that contradict oneGÇÖs inner model of reality. The, all too, common belief that hisec is a safe area to do stuff afk or without paying attention to your surroundings, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is a prime example of it, some people call it premeditated stupidity. The willful ignorance comment was directed at the people that like to invent ridiculous caricatures of miners just so that they can claim some (non-existent) moral high ground. Quote:While you're correct about the ship you fly affecting the chances of getting ganked, the location is not so important unless you're mining in a system where gankers ply their trade. I mine one jump from a major hisec trade pipe chokepoint, not once has anybody attempted to gank me, probably because there's far more lucrative pickings next door in the form of freighters; I start D-scanning when local shows gankers in system and dock up if a gaggle of Catalysts comes within 10AU of me, they ain't after me but better safe than sorry. You say that location is not so important and then proceed to give a example of location being important. just pay attention (by not being afk) and you'll survive You sound like a mole with all your complaining
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26200
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Posted - 2016.06.12 22:54:52 -
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Crinnfika wrote:The willful ignorance comment was directed at the people that like to invent ridiculous caricatures of miners just so that they can claim some (non-existent) moral high ground. This swings both ways, I directed my comment in the opposite direction, namely those who invent ridiculous caricatures of hisec PvPers so that they can claim a non-existent moral high ground.
Quote:You say that location is not so important and then proceed to give a example of location being important. I provided an example that directly contradicts your statement, which was:
Quote:But I know miners who never under any circumstance afk or tab out who got/get ganked almost weekly simply because they choose to mine on a pipe or even worse near jita. The minutiae of my example, i.e. there's better targets next door, is neither here nor there; my point remains, you can mine on a pipe without getting ganked.
As I said, I chose to mine on a pipe and have never been shot at by gankers; maintaining situational awareness or vigilance as you called it, despite your claims to the contrary, does help to prevent explosive pod removal accidents.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Laken Starr
Mining and Munitions Ltd ChaosTheory.
93
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Posted - 2016.06.17 09:40:30 -
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1. The moment you undock, imagine that you have a target on your back. You won't be wrong.
2. AFK miners generally turn into unsubbed miners. If you're not doing something you enjoy, what's the point? Being a newbie isn't an excuse - running career agents or doing exploration will net you far more than the feeble isk from high-sec mining.
3. If you do actually want to mine, make it an active process - there's quite a bit you can be doing while you're sitting there mining - updating skill queues, managing PI, station trading, Project Discovery (I think, I haven't actually tried this out yet). Better yet, mine in a fleet and BS with your mates on Teamspeak. |
Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2016.06.17 12:56:05 -
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You are *not* playing solo. You're in a virtual word with several hundred thousand, tens of thousands are online with you at the same time.
Not joining a corp or at -¦east getting aquainted with some other pilots is - sorry - being stupid. Or to me more polite :-) - extremely unwise and ill-informed. You don't first learn the game and then *join* a corp - you best learn the game by joining a half-way decent corp ASAP. While there is no shortage of pilots who'll shoot you on sight - there's also plenty who will help you.
Also it doesn't matter that you know nobody in RL that plays EVE - it matters that you make friends in EVE.
CCP could easily have made it impossible to attack other pilots in high-sec. They didn't. They made it costly - but possible. Most of the time you'll be almost safe in high-sec - sometimes you won't. That's not a bug - it's a feature. It's exactly why EVE does not become boring,
Don't sit solo in a mining belt and go afk.
Also don't make the common mistake of waiting to get particular ships to feel safe. There is no safe ship. A cruiser or destroyer is not safer than a frigate. It all depends on what ships you encounter and what the numbers of pilots on your and their side are and how good everybody is.
Don't sit bored in a belt. Do missions instead. Again GÇô get into a corp right away. If it doesn't work out - join another corp until you find an ok one. Mining can be fun, if you have some corp buddies in voice chat and especially if you do it in low sec and a ganker might arrive at any second. Have a mining compeitton. Make it fun.
But you don't have to mine at all. Do missions, do faction warfare, become a trader, find something that doesn't make you want to be afk for hours.
Really, joining a good corp makes all the difference. You have people to chat with, who can give you advice and more likely that not have stuff in corp hangars for you to use freely (plenty of mods usually for the taking, even free frigs some times - but depends on corp policies). At the very least they'll provide you with all the information you need to become better *much* *much* faster than if you try to do it all on your own. We're talking hours and days instead of days and weeks. You'll be in cruisers and BS much faster while in a corp.
If you need tips or have burnnig questions feel free to contact me. I like to help - but you won't get my sympathies for getting ganked while mining afk.
And - sure - CCP looses the occasional customer to high-sec gankers. But they have retained so many more players who enjoy a game that is different from the usual glorified LAN games that dare to call themselves MMOs.
The trolls won't care about you leaving. They use tears for fuel.
New Eden is openly marketed as a harsh environment. That was truthful advertisement. But you'll also meet plenty of nice people who help each other out all the time. All the more meaningful in a harsh environment.
Posts like yours have been posted for over a decade. High-sec ist still a police-after-the-fact - not prevent - area. EVE is supposed to be dangerous. The losses hurt and that's what makes the game all that more exciting.
I'm not a big fan of high-sec gankers - but I do think that they are a valid part of EVE and at the end of the day provide the service or making EVE feel a little dangerous everywhere (though high-sec is not *that* dangerous - it's still mostly safe-ish most of the time).
Join a corp GÇô learn how to fight - get into a gang with some friends (who might be RL countries away) - then shoot as many gankers as you like. It's fun. Guaranteed. :-)
Blood Retributor wrote:Being new to Eve I admit that I do not know a lot of things about its concept. And maybe it is a game for masochists? My question to you veterans is: would you be willing to let the AFK (on and off) loner noobs alone in hi-sec to give them a chance to start having fun in Eve getting a fighting chance againt gankers that enjoy Quote:nothing quite like the feeling of blowing up a ship that's worth 10 times your entire wealth in EVE using a cheap low-skilled Catalyst. ? Just curious .
The answer to this question is that most of the veteran players are not your problem. They are either out in null-sec or have otherwise better things to do than gank your afk mining ship.
But some pilots (both veteran and new-ish) will gank you anywhere under all circumstances. And no appeal to their genereous nature will help you. They'll double-gank you instead.
Welcome to EVE (seriously - join a corp - TODAY!!!)
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Nofear Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2016.06.18 17:51:11 -
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Blood Retributor wrote:Thanks to players like you I gather pieces of valuable information that will help me enjoy Eve, not get frustrated with it. Lots of the stuff you mentioned above I have no idea how to do, but your suggestions are a good starting point for me! More reading to do !
As much as I hate CODEs play style, they have certainly brought something to hi sec that has greatly changed the dynamic - it makes you think about what you are doing, your fits, about not going afk (and afk mining and mining botting has been a major issue within Eve)
There are some other options for you to make ISK....try some different things. Mining is one of the least fun things in Eve to do and it's not particularly profittable. Also, as others have said, look for a corp - your fun will increase 10x just by doing that!
Alt and proud
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Dsparil
Prepare to be Boarded
22
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Posted - 2016.06.23 03:20:31 -
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Blowing up AFK miners is boring. It's ganking the ones that are at the keyboard and griefing them afterwards and making them cry in local that's fun. |
Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
344
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Posted - 2016.06.23 11:07:13 -
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Just ganked a Venture in 0.6 with an Atron on a low sp alt.
It felt good.
And I think he cussed me out in Spanish...it has been 25 years since I took it in high school.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Elliniel Anat'al'Ardon
Hallowed Antiquity
3
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Posted - 2016.08.19 11:49:17 -
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Nofear Alt wrote:Mining is one of the least fun things in Eve to do and it's not particularly profittable.
My wallet highly disagrees with your ass-esment of mining not being profittable and it's fun as well.
So please, just because you like to **** bears on the highway, doesn't mean everyone else does too.
Ofcourse, unlike the OP, I don't mine in High-sec, never have, never will.
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Dom Arkaral
Bite the pillow
574
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Posted - 2016.08.19 12:06:26 -
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Elliniel Anat'al'Ardon wrote:Nofear Alt wrote:Mining is one of the least fun things in Eve to do and it's not particularly profittable. My wallet highly disagrees with your ass-esment of mining not being profittable and it's fun as well. So please, just because you like to **** bears on the highway, doesn't mean everyone else does too. Ofcourse, unlike the OP, I don't mine in High-sec, never have, never will. Well not every miner is aware that null has better everything lmao. And most miners are scared of other players, and/or don't care about joining an alliance somewhere where isk flows 30m an hour is enough in their eyes XD
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2269
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:03:13 -
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I have to say I utterly adore people saying you are afk when you mine, those damn asteroids are so damn small I get one and a bit cycle off and thats it. If I was AFK I would not mine anything, true story...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Omar Alharazaad
Nefarious Porpoise
3062
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:00:53 -
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After being involved in a Hulk gank in 2009 I was left with two very deep impressions. The first was that, as a fellow Hulk pilot at the time, I felt more than a little dirty. It was not an ideal gank as far as profit was concerned, and the loot was actually pretty ******. My CEO at the time thought it was awesome. I could only politely hold my tongue as I considered the time and effort that went into it in addition to the cost of the ships involved.
The second impression I got was this. We are not ever safe anywhere that is not in a station. We need to be paying attention to whatever it is that we are doing so long as we are in space. Not doing so invites disaster. Not doing so renders any horribad thing that happens to us when we are not paying attention OUR FAULT.
Yes, other players may be the engine that drives the pain, BUT if we are paying attention we can deny them their joy. Blue ball them in their quest for the kill mail. Make the tears theirs, albeit quietly, as manly men wont let anyone see them cry when they fail. The weak we may taunt when they do cry, that is just and our right.
PVP isn't just about violence; if you are a PVE player and don't want to be exploded then every time you thwart the monsters under your bunk from bad touching your ship you are winning at PVP.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Favor Man
Northbound Enterprises Short Bus Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2016.08.19 18:24:27 -
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As a fellow miner I can only give you some hints on how to try to survive in Hi-sec if you want to afk mine.
If you can only fly a Venture then fit 1 Adaptive Invulnerability Field, 1 MWD (Micro-warp Drive) if you want and 2 (or 3 if no MWD) Small shield extenders. In rigs you can fit 2 EM resists and 1 thermal. That will give you a lot of defense in general and will increase your chance of survival while providing maximum mining yield. If you want you can always fir Damage Control in low-slot but you lose a slot for mining laser upgrade then.
If you can fly a mining barge (like a procurer) then I strongly advise you fly that if you don't feel safe enough, it has lots of defense and you can fit it to sustain massive damage before going down.
When I started EVE, roughly 2 years ago, I tried out ALL aspects of it, from high-sec mining, low-sec mining, w-space mining to null-sec mining, pvp in all areas, massive null-sec fleets, attacking capital ships in cruisers and ****, running w-space anomaly sites, ratting in nul-sec, moon mining, PI, ... I would strongly recommend any new player that wants to do mining and/or industry to join a nul-sec corp, like mine for example.
Right now we need more miners/ratters (ratter is someone who kills NPC ships for isk bounty prize), we can provide you with a ship (venture/mining barge) and mining boosts (there's something called an Orca or Rorqal, both are mining boost ships that almost double your mining yield if you're in the fleet with a booster). We're all friendly and like to teach new players, also our system is fairly safe (not many gankers, actually I've seen like 1 in the past 3 weeks since I joined).
Main reason why I'd sudgest you to go in nul-sec is because you learn how to survive, it's harsh environment yeah but you can't fully AFK in it. You always need to keep one eye on the local chat to see if someone 'unknown' pops in.
Send me a mail (ingame) if you want more info I'm glad to help out.
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Lawrence Lawton
The Conference Elite CODE.
22
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Posted - 2016.08.28 08:40:47 -
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Blood Retributor wrote: Note please, there is no one to give me free ISK so I can get a destroyer or cruiser to get out of the hi-sec ...I am mining to get money for a better ship for lowsec and training skills to be able to use it
You do not need to grind up your character before it's possible to have any fun in EVE. There are some games that are like that, but EVE is not one of them. Join a nullsec alliance. Yes, as a new player. They will provide you with free skillbooks to learn and free ships to fly. You can be a huge asset in their battles by flying a free T1 tackle frigate as you train up to fly the doctrine ships. Get out of highsec as soon as possible. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1852
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Posted - 2016.08.28 10:06:11 -
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Sigh.
All you need to survive in null is a frigate.
Kill rats in the belt. Yes, you can do it. Go to Provi or Syndicate and practice.
Join a null corp. Its easy.
As noted above, they will throw ships and skillbooks at you.
Profit.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Jagd Wilde
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
16
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Posted - 2016.08.28 22:33:08 -
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i don't know what makes people want to play solo in an mmo
join a group
or gtfo |
Khan Tzestu
Space Herpies Command
6
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Posted - 2016.08.29 02:10:29 -
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To avoid gankers you have to have people watching your back. Trust me it helps. Don't mine in high traffic areas alone in something other than a procurer. You can shield tank it well enough to survive and watch concord come blow the pirate up. Unless they come in a group then just run if you don't get tackled first. Always keep an eye on local for unusual traffic and make sure to mark the known pirate corps to bad standing. Also d scan, d scan, d scan. Because of d scans I've been able to jet before others got ganked. But make some friends and do group mining opps, some people will sit cloaked for a cut to protect you. Code is everywhere and you must be prepared to survive any and everything that can and will be thrown at you. A good way to learn how to not get ganked properly is have a vet take you on wh opps. You have to learn to rely on scans heavily and it just helps that much when in highsec. If you see a frigate or destroyer that's know to be used in ganks run. The last thing I gotta say is probably the best advice I ever gotten in this game, take nothing for granted. Feeling safe equals death, trust the ones that are true and nothing else. That one is tough cause some will act like friends just to turn on you so use common sense. And don't fear code or any other like them. It's not that tough to learn how to survive but it does take time and practice. |
Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice TSOE Consortium
93
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Posted - 2016.08.29 08:32:22 -
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Don't AFK mine. Come to null. Tell other highsec afk miners how you make 10x what they do for just a little more effort.
The character does not represent the views/opinions of its Corporation or Alliance.
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Deep Nine
The Bank of Prometheus
444
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Posted - 2016.08.29 17:37:07 -
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What do I think?
The Gankers themselves do it for a multitude of reasons; Fun, to hurt and bully you, your reaction, but also to affect market prices on products such as ice, ore, modules, and even ships. Groups of them are even funded to take such action for effects on the market by the big fish marketeers who want to watch their stocks rise or maintain status quo. Some gankers are misguided or na+»ve enough too believe its a righteous act or they are doing you a favor, but these are usually people who have IQ's so low their opinion is not worth taking into consideration.
The market itself is fueled by death and death keeps the prices high. CCP and some Gankers understand this. What both groups fail to understand, and/or do not care, is how cheap everything would become if ganking was not allowed. Fuel, modules, Ships ETC would be considerably cheaper without ganking, which would provide more opportunities for people such as yourself to concentrate more on the game and exploring its depths and less on surviving in high sec. However some of these individuals have an invested interest in keeping market prices high, as they manufacture and sell goods in high sec, even to the extent of building the barges that they gank, so they can drive up the price and once they kill you, you will essentially buy another barge from the same person or group that just killed you without knowing, cute isent it?
I also think that CCP allows it and furthermore encourages it. This is evident because of how criminal status is treated, as a joke. As a criminal you cant mine, salvage, mission, or PvP, not that any of that matters because you can dock, trade, market, gate, gank, and still have access to stations and all of their services. If a person they are trying to gank warps out, they can just warp back to station and dock, neat huh? If CCP didn't want gankers they would disable their ability to dock and/or use services, use gates in ships other then a pod, and prevent them from buying or selling in high sec, which would be how a real criminal would be treated in real space, I doubt space stations would realistically let someone with -10.00 sec status dock after a security check, but hey, they stopped caring about continuity errors a while ago, so don't look for help there.
This game was, and is, built on a 'survival of the fittest' mentality. If you quit because its too tough, too hard, or you're not smart enough, the general consensus is ''Good, we don't want your type around here anyway." CCP feels this way and so do ALL of the people you are upset at or do not understand. You'll be looked at as too weak to survive, the proof is in the product. If you want to see what someone truly thinks and believes, don't listen to a word they say, watch what they do and how they do things. Around here, they're glad to let you die and wont protect you, don't worry about what justifications people in this game use for their actions, it will be a lie.
You'll learn a great deal about human nature playing this game and just how many people are proud of being amoral, ruthless, and exhibiting outright disgusting behavior.
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Galaxy Duck
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Deep Nine wrote: I doubt space stations would realistically let someone with -10.00 sec status dock after a security check
Why wouldn't they? No, really. You haven't harmed them in any way, you've killed a fellow immortal demigod. An immortal demigod who most regular people fear and despise, might I add. Not to mention that your criminal ISK is just as good as some +5.0 carebear's. Seriously, why wouldn't they want you doing business there?
Please explain to me why, in this hyper-capitalistic dystopia, would normal people care how we immortals treat each other's shiney space ships?
Please make the effort to learn about New Eden before you go claiming nonsense. |
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