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Hendrix Foster
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.23 09:57:28 -
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I've come across a few of these grumpy recruiters and I'm sure being a recruiter for a low-sec/null corp in hi-sec is a thankless task, but what's with that?
For example, I recently left a low-sec corp that I'd been with for a while but eventually left due to being in the wrong times zone for their activities.....great corp just my end didn't fit time zone wise, which is fine. So, I bailed and thought I'd hang for a bit in a high sec system with lots of stuff close like casual mining and a low sec system nearby so could do some PvP when I want, build and sell some stuff etc......just generally take time out for a bit to consider my next move and re-organize in general.
So I'm generally mulling things over (and still am) and casually cruising around doing a few things/getting some skills up to scratch that I realised I needed that I didn't have and have had a few recruiters try to start conversations with me...OK, fine....I pretty much always accept the conversation invite just through interest about what they want. You have a quick small talk exchange and then it moves onto recruitment (which is fine) and they ask if you want to join a null sov corp etc. and I say 'Ok, thanks for the invite, let me think about it and I'll keep you in mind.' I quickly check where their base is and it's like maybe 37 jumps away (mostly through low and null) and that needs time to think about a whole load of stuff plus logistics and level of deployment etc.
But they often get the hump with a non-committal answer and then start asking what you are doing where you are and become frosty....often leaving the chat with the hump because you didn't give a positive answer straight off the bat about joining a corp literally on the other side of New Eden in many cases.
Are recruiters for these corps rewarded some way for each new member they recruit or something? As I can't see too many reasons why they get a little contemptuous after you say 'I'll think about it.'
I would like to obviously mention that I'm sure a lot of recruiters out there are fine.......just that there seems to be quite a few grumpy/jaded ones too as have experienced it a few times since I joined Eve.
Welcome to all useful input and if I'm missing something then please square-it-away for me.
Cheers
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.23 13:39:28 -
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As you said, it's a thankless task.
I can imagine most people would tend to be a bit jaded due to constantly getting negative responses. The convo probably would have ended better if you had asked to fly with them for a week.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
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Posted - 2016.05.23 13:46:21 -
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Recruitment is a thankless task as mentioned Recruitment is not fun Eve is a game People play games to have fun People do not want to do recruitment |
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.05.23 16:12:58 -
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A lot of alliances are very good at logistics in sov null, many offer free shipping for your move to them |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2016.05.23 23:52:25 -
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Bah, those recruiters aren't doing it right. The idea is to interview the guy, see if he seems like a good fit, and close the deal if he is. If the recruiters are being demanding arsehats about, probably their corps/alliances are basically demanding arsehat too. They're only a good fit for fellow demanding arsehats.
(Doing that sounds like a hella fun way to spend your Saturday night, BTW).
But, on the other hand, it is the novice usually who gets the famous ace by doing at some moment the unexpected thing.
-Eddie Rickenbacker
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Memphis Baas
1597
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Posted - 2016.05.24 00:48:15 -
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Recruiting is a thankless task.
"Let me think about it" is just a polite "no."
When you're doing 1000 convos an hour, being effervescent vs. being grumpy doesn't have an effect on how many people you manage to recruit; typically if they're going to join your corp, you have them at "hello."
Not everyone has good people skills.
Personally, I turn on the "auto-decline invites" option for all characters that I want to play solo at the time. Saves me time, saves them time. |
Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2016.05.24 03:36:07 -
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Rather than whine on the forums, why not convo them back the next day, accept their generous offer, worm your way to a position of trust, take everything not nailed down, then the nails, then everything that was nailed down, then in your parting message to the corp blame the rudeness of the recruiter or better yet make it look like you were in cahoots the whole time.
Sheesh, do you even EvE? |
Netan MalDoran
Last Garrison
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Posted - 2016.05.24 03:46:10 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Rather than whine on the forums, why not convo them back the next day, accept their generous offer, worm your way to a position of trust, take everything not nailed down, then the nails, then everything that was nailed down, then in your parting message to the corp blame the rudeness of the recruiter or better yet make it look like you were in cahoots the whole time.
Sheesh, do you even EvE?
Thanks bruh, you just put a smile on my face
"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!
Falcon's truth
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.24 03:59:13 -
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Most people suck at this game, that means that most corps are crap and most recruiters will be crap. it also means that recruiters will assume that most possible recruits will be crap. Also, relocation doesn't take a whole lot of effort at all and isn't really affected by how many jumps it is.
So if a possible recruit does the "but it's 30 jumps away" then that shows he's a) not really that interested, b) doesn't really understand EVE that well and c) is probably going to whine about a thousand things in corp/alliance chat. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2598
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Posted - 2016.05.24 04:35:37 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:So if a possible recruit does the "but it's 30 jumps away" then that shows he's a) not really that interested, b) doesn't really understand EVE that well and c) is probably going to whine about a thousand things in corp/alliance chat.
That rather depends. If I were to upend my industrial operation, moving it 30 jumps would be... substantial. If I were to just up and decide to relocate my main then obviously 30 jumps would be entirely trivial. |
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Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
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Posted - 2016.05.24 04:41:04 -
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I had a real grumpy recruiter for this corporation. I was messing around on an alt in Gallente FW and in chat one of the members of this corp linked a sweet kill they got. I was impressed and voiced my appreciation, but one of them mistook what I said and started talking smack.
Of course, I started talking smack back. Thirty minutes later, Morgan joined their corp cause I liked how they presented themselves. I have come and gone a couple of times but have always kept in touch. Then I convinced them to finally listen to me and check out wormholes, and now that is where we are.
So, sometimes they aren't even trying to recruit but it works. My red flag is if they take a couple of minutes between sentences while talking to me while I am responding quickly back to them, then I am not important enough to recruit. That has happened a few times.
This would cure me of the fear...
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
807
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Posted - 2016.05.24 05:51:36 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:As you said, it's a thankless task.
I can imagine most people would tend to be a bit jaded due to constantly getting negative responses. The convo probably would have ended better if you had asked to fly with them for a week.
DMC
I do onroad sales most working days. Most. You're gonna get jaded and burnt out real fast if you don't work at a sustainable pace and take a break some times.
Its the same story with asking a girl for her number - unless you're a total playboy you're going to get knocked back one day and if you do take it with some grace. Nothing worse than a salty sales person, jilted recruiter or a desperate single guy. |
Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
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Posted - 2016.05.24 09:11:24 -
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Then there's people who have this thing happen to them, and when they tell the story (cause they were slighted and are now butthurt about that) all the singulars are now plurals.
@OP this epidemic of cranky recruiters sounds real serious!
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Hendrix Foster
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.24 10:20:02 -
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Well, thanks for the mainly constructive points from most.....I learned something.
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Hendrix Foster
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.24 10:30:42 -
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Edited by me |
Exaido
Fire Over Light
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Posted - 2016.05.24 17:13:47 -
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There's something here more than, 'thankless', there is the de-facto process of recruitment which I guess is a bi-product of expediency, and it's a sales process, to determine if you're a 'sales prospect' or not. It's not easy to build rapport, through a quick conversation out of the recruitment channel, it's a bit like speed-dating and once you're through the 'speed-date', then the real recruitment process begins, with the induction into a corporation. It's an interesting phenomena to observe but not one that I like, and one I don't participate in anymore.
Eve due to its nature doesn't tend to allow 'PUGs' for missions, where people can build trust and proof-of-ability, so that makes recruitment harder, and the price of taking in the wrong candidate can be much higher, an infiltrator at the onset will likely perform better than most candidates, to establish trust and build authority and access in a corporation before they drop the hammer on the unsuspecting.
Propaganda is also another fascinating and powerful tool for recruitment in Eve, and to an extent philosophy, like we saw with CODE and then the AG movement that came out recently.
There's not an answer here, for an alternative, thankless, expedient, fraught with risk, and demanding for growth, process recruitment may be but it doesn't mean that the process is a positive experience for either party by virtue of trying to find a corporation or a corporation trying to find pilots. The nature of a 'throughput' approach, 1000 chats an hour, gives the most efficient results for the recruiter to build numbers, it allows tuning of the pitch, rapid elimination, and it makes contextual sense in Eve but like dating, you have to go through a lot of people until you find a bond.
There are niches though, through chat channels (not private chats), through propaganda, through ideology, or through regions of space, that are slowly building up a contact list for me.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12115
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Posted - 2016.05.24 17:56:37 -
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Hendrix Foster wrote:Edited by me
Moustachio'd by thee
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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