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Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2016.05.23 22:31:28 -
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I made a trial that I plan to upgrade to a full subscription on payday. Now for some reason I can't log in to my main account even when the trial is logged out. It says this.
"While we appreciate your enthusiasm to try EVE, we would also appreciate if you could limit yourself to using a single trial or subscription accounts only."
Why are CCP suddenly being a pain and how do I log in to my main account? |
Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2016.05.23 22:34:23 -
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Okay, now I can log in for some reason. Is there just a time limit for switching accounts? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.23 22:55:53 -
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when one of them is a trial, yes.
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Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2016.05.23 23:03:58 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:when one of them is a trial, yes. That's super lame. When did they add that? I gave my Minmatar slave 20 lashes for keeping me from logging in and it's all CCP's fault. I hope they feel bad. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.05.24 00:03:22 -
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If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.05.24 00:31:22 -
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Yup, all the restrictions you see on the Trial accounts are CCP's reaction to shenanigans by players, where they abused the Trial account system. There's all sorts of illegal botting and exploits that can be done with Trial characters, so the restrictions are CCP's attempts to deal with the situation.
It's against the forum rules to discuss such activities, so look at it this way: all the restrictions are potentially causing some newbies to turn away from the game, at a time where they're just picking up a trial to see if they like EVE (which is, basically, the worst time to annoy a new customer), so we're pretty sure that CCP would prefer not to have all these restrictions, but they're forced to. Because of certain players. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.05.24 00:51:49 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:illegal botting and exploits that can be done with Trial characters These are certainly reasons, however it is also necessary for less nefarious reasons such as having alts in different locations for instant intel, or having alts in all the market hubs.
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Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2016.05.24 05:22:08 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be. Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.05.24 06:39:27 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be. Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change.
scouts dont need any sp so they have a purpose
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.05.24 08:19:51 -
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I started playing EvE Feb 23rd 2009.
There are threads like this that go back to April 18th 2009.
If I had to guess, I'd say it has probably been this way since at least Apocrypha, March 10th 2009. Perhaps longer.
That's at least 7 years. |
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.05.24 08:35:04 -
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The memories... Creating a trial account to haul the pos fuel down the pipe and emptying the cans while you could keep mining with your alt and tanking the rats with your main
I can't remember exactly when they changed it (a much needed change) but I think it was around when freighters were introduced so the 7 year estimate sounds right but it's possible it's been even longer.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
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Posted - 2016.05.24 12:39:30 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Yup, all the restrictions you see on the Trial accounts are CCP's reaction to shenanigans by players, where they abused the Trial account system. There's all sorts of illegal botting and exploits that can be done with Trial characters, so the restrictions are CCP's attempts to deal with the situation.
It's against the forum rules to discuss such activities, so look at it this way: all the restrictions are potentially causing some newbies to turn away from the game, at a time where they're just picking up a trial to see if they like EVE (which is, basically, the worst time to annoy a new customer), so we're pretty sure that CCP would prefer not to have all these restrictions, but they're forced to. Because of certain players.
I dont see a situation where a newbie who just started the game, would need two trial accounts running at the same time, and that this would prevent them from enjoying or turning them away from the game. |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
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Posted - 2016.05.24 12:42:27 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be. Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change.
Not really. All trial accounts can use the Venture, which is the ship that is one of the most used mining ships for botters.
Imagine one person running 30 trial accounts all mining in ventures. |
Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2016.05.24 21:52:02 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I started playing EvE Feb 23rd 2009.
There are threads like this that go back to April 18th 2009.
If I had to guess, I'd say it has probably been this way since at least Apocrypha, March 10th 2009. Perhaps longer.
That's at least 7 years. I can confirm from personal experience it wasn't like this as of 2014. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.05.24 22:06:13 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:I started playing EvE Feb 23rd 2009.
There are threads like this that go back to April 18th 2009.
If I had to guess, I'd say it has probably been this way since at least Apocrypha, March 10th 2009. Perhaps longer.
That's at least 7 years. I can confirm from personal experience it wasn't like this as of December 2015. You'd be wrong, nothing has changed; I've been playing since August 2009, you couldn't run a trail account and another account simultaneously back then either.
An identical question from 2008 for reference
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Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2016.05.24 22:07:35 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:I started playing EvE Feb 23rd 2009.
There are threads like this that go back to April 18th 2009.
If I had to guess, I'd say it has probably been this way since at least Apocrypha, March 10th 2009. Perhaps longer.
That's at least 7 years. I can confirm from personal experience it wasn't like this as of December 2015. You'd be wrong, nothing has changed; I've been playing since August 2009, you couldn't run a trail account and another account simultaneously back then either. Well I did in December 2015. Might have been a bug or something, but I did. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.05.24 22:12:43 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Well I did in December 2015. Might have been a bug or something, but I did. Don't get me wrong, there's a number of ways to do it, although there's probably a tempban or warning involved if you get caught.
Under normal circumstances it can't be done and it's been like that for a long time; if you managed to do it without resorting to shenanigans and/or geekery then write it off as a bug/lucky accident.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
706
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Posted - 2016.05.24 22:16:01 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:High sec mining is already the least profitable thing in Eve. Why would anyone want to do the worst job using the worst ship when they could easily be PLEXing real accounts with real mining ships?
Because 30 or more free trial Venture miners cost what, couple of mil each for the ships as a one-time expense? Sure, there's far better ships for the task, but they require time to train into.
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Zathra Narazi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2016.05.24 22:19:42 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:Well I did in December 2015. Might have been a bug or something, but I did. Don't get me wrong, there's a number of ways to do it, although there's probably a tempban or warning involved if you get caught. Under normal circumstances it can't be done and it's been like that for a long time; if you managed to do it without resorting to shenanigans and/or geekery then write it off as a bug/lucky accident. I came back for a couple of months back then and had a trial account for almost a week before I subbed it. I didn't do anything different than usual.
Mephiztopheleze wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:High sec mining is already the least profitable thing in Eve. Why would anyone want to do the worst job using the worst ship when they could easily be PLEXing real accounts with real mining ships? Because 30 or more free trial Venture miners cost what, couple of mil each for the ships as a one-time expense? Sure, there's far better ships for the task, but they require time to train into. Like it takes much time to train into a barge. What is it, like 2 weeks or something? Then you have 2 more weeks to get a PLEX before the first one runs out. There's literally no reason whatsoever to do that in trial ventures. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
706
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Posted - 2016.05.24 23:02:26 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:Well I did in December 2015. Might have been a bug or something, but I did. Don't get me wrong, there's a number of ways to do it, although there's probably a tempban or warning involved if you get caught. Under normal circumstances it can't be done and it's been like that for a long time; if you managed to do it without resorting to shenanigans and/or geekery then write it off as a bug/lucky accident. I came back for a couple of months back then and had a trial account for almost a week before I subbed it. I didn't do anything different than usual. Mephiztopheleze wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:High sec mining is already the least profitable thing in Eve. Why would anyone want to do the worst job using the worst ship when they could easily be PLEXing real accounts with real mining ships? Because 30 or more free trial Venture miners cost what, couple of mil each for the ships as a one-time expense? Sure, there's far better ships for the task, but they require time to train into. Like it takes much time to train into a barge. What is it, like 2 weeks or something? Then you have 2 more weeks to get a PLEX before the first one runs out. There's literally no reason whatsoever to do that in trial ventures. Edit: I just checked in-game. 7 days, 8 hours with no implants and suboptimal attributes. Anyone know how long it takes to PLEX an account by high sec mining?
You're totally missing the point, the Free Trial Ventures are exactly that: FREE! Train into a barge and you then have to PLEX/pay for that account. A free trial Venture account lapses after two weeks, go make another one. All for FREE! FYI: even in highsec and even in Ventures it wouldn't take too long to mine enough to buy a PLEX for your actual, real accounts when you have 30 or more Ventures on the job.
EVE players being what we are, I really can't blame CCP for having to put the restrictions on.
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Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2016.05.24 23:32:12 -
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Confirming people would abuse the hell out of being able to run multiple trial accounts simultaneously, venture fleet is a thing, it's probably not a bad payout for the isk investment either.
Another example for you, a newly rolled Gallente character can be in a gank catalyst in less than a day IIRC, reasonable DPS in less than 2. Several under the control of one player are enough to kill most stuff, tens under the control of a few players will kill just about anything. Do you really want more 3 or 4 people being able to kill a freighter in hisec with free trial accounts and some multiboxing software?
Yes, it's inconvenient for players, it'd be more inconvenient for players if the practice was allowed; the downsides for everybody outweigh the upsides for you.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.05.24 23:39:05 -
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Giaus Felix wrote:less than a day IIRC, reasonable DPS in less than 2. Heh, since they are giving new players more SPs now, it's more like 2 hours.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
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Posted - 2016.05.24 23:44:01 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be. Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change. Not really. All trial accounts can use the Venture, which is the ship that is one of the most used mining ships for botters. Imagine one person running 30 trial accounts all mining in ventures. High sec mining is already the least profitable thing in Eve. Why would anyone want to do the worst job using the worst ship when they could easily be PLEXing real accounts with real mining ships?
Because its a throwaway ship. Easiest to replace, lowest margin ship. Zero effort zero commitment ship.
As I said before, the Venture is one of the most frequently used ships for botting. This is a statistic from CCP itself. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.05.25 08:58:30 -
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For those that have run a paid and trial account at the sane time, it is fully possible to do it, just not on the same computer.
So if you were running your main account in your desktop and halfway afk mining with your trial account on a laptop it would work and not break any rules.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.05.25 20:16:26 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be. Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change.
I'd like to know how a trial account is crippled.
Every restriction a trial account has is something that a new player shouldn't be concerning themselves with anyway.
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lollerwaffle
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
307
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Posted - 2016.05.26 13:20:32 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:The memories... Creating a trial account to haul the pos fuel down the pipe and emptying the cans while you could keep mining with your alt and tanking the rats with your main I can't remember exactly when they changed it (a much needed change) but I think it was around when freighters were introduced so the 7 year estimate sounds right but it's possible it's been even longer. It was in the game when I joined in 2006, so probably even longer than 10 years. |
lollerwaffle
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
307
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Posted - 2016.05.26 13:24:35 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be. Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change. I'd like to know how a trial account is crippled. Every restriction a trial account has is something that a new player shouldn't be concerning themselves with anyway. T1 haulers iirc
Not much else apart from that I think. |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
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Posted - 2016.05.26 15:43:56 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:Zathra Narazi wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be. Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change. I'd like to know how a trial account is crippled. Every restriction a trial account has is something that a new player shouldn't be concerning themselves with anyway. T1 haulers iirc Not much else apart from that I think.
pretty sure T1 haulers are availeable to trial accounts. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.30 05:55:01 -
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Zathra Narazi wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:when one of them is a trial, yes. That's super lame. When did they add that? I gave my Minmatar slave 20 lashes for keeping me from logging in and it's all CCP's fault. I hope they feel bad.
it has been that way for a very very long time
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