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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.05.27 20:11:14 -
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New player retention is a problem in many games. Its a big problem in Eve because of the complexity of the game and the fact its not like any other game. Eve is to vast of game to have tutorials. Most new players wont bother to research gameplay or ask questions on the forums.
The most effective method, in my opinion, of teaching new players and retaining them is to get players involved. So i came up with an idea for a system for this.
The Buddy Program
*Prelude: The buddy system is an optional system provided to new players( trial or paid) In which volunteer players help the new player with questions, how tos, information sources, and may even go to the extent of doing in game tasks with the new player( mining, missions, ratting, pvp, etc) .
*The Newbie: - Program is 100% optional - Newbie may select a buddy from a list of volunteers or have the game choose for them. - Once selected, the newbie has the buddy( through the program) for 30 days. - After 30 days they will be asked to rate their buddy on a scale of 1 to 10. - After rating their buddy and having a paid account, they will receive isk( 20-50 million is what i am thinking) as a completion reward.
* The Volunteer: - Must sign up for the program. - Agrees to help newbies assigned to them to the best of their ability with information, resources, and guidance. - May have a maximum of 5 newbies at any one time per account. - Must of had an active account for at least one year.( One year total) - Will be rewarded in AUR (see below)
* Ratings: - Volunteers are rated by newbies on a scale of 1 to 10. - When a volunteer is chosen randomly the highest ranked volunteers are chosen first in descending order if they have less than 5 newbies. Starting at 10 volunteers are chosen based on their rating down to 9, Then it starts over again at 10 and repeats. If there is no one at 9 and above then they move on to the 8s, so on and so forth. - The higher your rating the faster you get random buddies. This rewards the volunteers that newbies think do the best job. - Volunteers cannot see who gave them what rating, so no "revenge" on newbies for not giving a high score. - All new volunteers start with a rating of 5.
*Volunteer Rewards: Rewards are given in AUR as follows: - You will receive 10 AUR for each newbie you have for at least 2 weeks. -After your newbie rates you( 30 days) you will receive an additional 40 AUR for a 10 star rating. For every star less than 10, 4 AUR will be deducted from your reward. So 7 stars will get you 28 AUR, 3 stars will get you 12 AUR. - For every month after the 30 days your newbie has an active paid account( sub or plex) you will receive 2 AUR per star that newbie gave you for the next 11 months. - Example: You receive a 7 star rating from a newbie and he keeps his account active at least 12 months( first 30 days of buddy plus an extra 11 months). Your reward would be: 10 Aur ( volunteering) + 28 AUR( First month) + 154 AUR( 11 months x14 AUR month) =You earned 192 AUR for this newbie.
*Addition feature( based on supply and demand of volunteers): For each star above 5 you are allowed 1 additional newbie. Thus a level 7 would be allowed 7 newbies at a time.
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darkneko
Black Cat mining Inc.
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Posted - 2016.05.27 20:39:42 -
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This actually sounds like a great idea. Much better then some other ideas to keep new players. It would also be a great corporate recruiting tool since you would obviously have some pull over the new players. The rewards also are not high enough to make milking the system with a bunch of alt accounts worth it. A few might exploit it but would still be worth trying. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1225
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Posted - 2016.05.27 21:37:13 -
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I would call it tutor program. Or the prodigy project.
Buddies are those you get to know in client after many years, who drop everything they currently do or not to get to you and fight with you.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2654
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Posted - 2016.05.28 03:08:50 -
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.... so i just farm this with some alts right?
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.05.28 03:27:56 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:.... so i just farm this with some alts right?
People spend more energy trying to cheat the system than they would if they just played by the rules.
First, you cant use alts. This is a teaching tool. You can have one volunteer per account OR one newbie per account. You dont get to use it for each alt. For the volunteer, this helps prevent abuse of the system. For the newbie, there is absolutely no reason why a newbie needs a "mentor" 3 times on the same account.
Second, if you wanted to cheat the system you would have to create exactly 100 accounts to get enough AUR for a skill extractor ( at 1000 AUR). To further rain on your parade, you only get 10 AUR IF you have the newbie under your wing for 2 weeks. Since you are limited to 5 newbies at a time. The maximum amount of newbies you could have in a month is 10 which is 100 AUR. The final tally is to get enough AUR for a skill extractor, by trying to cheat the system, it would take you 10 months and 100 accounts.
By all means have fun with that. You will be the hardest working criminal in eve.
Third, if you decided that you wanted to try out for "eve's dumbest criminals" and try to scam the system as described above, you would have 100 newbies none of which made it past the two weeks. This would be a big red flag to CCP that you are trying to scam the system. What would also be a red flag is that all of the newbies would of personally selected you and then after two weeks nothing.
Even if you did manage to scam the system, you worked really hard for that 1000 AUR and it took you 10 months. You could spent that time ratting 0.0 and came out way ahead.
Personally, my suggested punishment for such a person, would be barring them from the program for life ( and possibly the game for a month or 3 just because i cant stand people who try to cheat the rules) |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.28 03:32:50 -
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why can't i do this while ratting at the same time?
and what happens when this becomes just as bad as the current one where players force new bros to delete their accounts in order to join on a buddy one just to get them plex?
"you want to stay in the corp give me a good ratting"
"thanks now get lost"
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
62
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Posted - 2016.05.28 03:53:38 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:why can't i do this while ratting at the same time?
and what happens when this becomes just as bad as the current one where players force new bros to delete their accounts in order to join on a buddy one just to get them plex?
"you want to stay in the corp give me a good ratting"
"thanks now get lost"
EDIT: i have no issue with this idea over all but get rid of the reward there are plenty of us who would do this just to help the new bro and it eliminates those doing it for a gain
You cant force people to delete their accounts and threatening some kind of "punishment" for not obeying and deleting an account and starting a new one so that the "predator" could gain from it would be against game rules. CCP allows you to scam players and threaten player( IE ransom) but when you threaten a player for not helping you scam the game itself, you are violating the rules.
So in this case the first thing i would do is laugh at you. the second thing i would do is write a support ticket explaining you were threatening me with punishment for not helping you scam the game itself. The third thing i would do is ignore you.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2655
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Posted - 2016.05.28 04:16:54 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:why can't i do this while ratting at the same time?
and what happens when this becomes just as bad as the current one where players force new bros to delete their accounts in order to join on a buddy one just to get them plex?
"you want to stay in the corp give me a good ratting"
"thanks now get lost"
EDIT: i have no issue with this idea over all but get rid of the reward there are plenty of us who would do this just to help the new bro and it eliminates those doing it for a gain You cant force people to delete their accounts and threatening some kind of "punishment" for not obeying and deleting an account and starting a new one so that the "predator" could gain from it would be against game rules. CCP allows you to scam players and threaten player( IE ransom) but when you threaten a player for not helping you scam the game itself, you are violating the rules. So in this case the first thing i would do is laugh at you. the second thing i would do is write a support ticket explaining you were threatening me with punishment for not helping you scam the game itself. The third thing i would do is ignore you. and yet people still do it
Quote: Edit: I am sure there are quite a few people that would do this without any type of reward. I mean people help others on the forum for no reward. I think of the reward more as a token of appreciation. And you are helping CCP out. In my example in my OP you would get 192 AUR for a month of helping. But CCP would get 12 months of sub/plex money, which is a good trade off for them.
but there is no need for such a thing also if such a system was to be set up i feel it would need to be an isd program. One thing i have noticed when helping new players is the most detrimental thing is when a player truly tries to help but does not understand what they are explaining.
even if you have been playing consecutively for a year that means nothing. Particularly if you spent most of that time in a narrow area or god forbid you have taken a break and are not up to date on the changes.
these people are genuinely trying to help but unwittingly hurt the new player. If the game is going to have a system that sets you up with mentors its going to give a hole new level of validity to what they say so there needs to be a better screening process.
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
62
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Posted - 2016.05.28 04:33:59 -
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Quote:but there is no need for such a thing also if such a system was to be set up i feel it would need to be an isd program. One thing i have noticed when helping new players is the most detrimental thing is when a player truly tries to help but does not understand what they are explaining.
even if you have been playing consecutively for a year that means nothing. Particularly if you spent most of that time in a narrow area or god forbid you have taken a break and are not up to date on the changes.
these people are genuinely trying to help but unwittingly hurt the new player. If the game is going to have a system that sets you up with mentors its going to give a hole new level of validity to what they say so there needs to be a better screening process. You are overthinking it, bro.
Its the first 30 days, they are helping them with basics and ( learning) resources, and such...not advanced game mechanics. Volunteers are going to be answering questions like "why is this guy blinking in local?" and " how do i find a good mission agent, i want to do combat missions?" and " what are these cosmic signatures i see on my scanner when im looking for anoms?"
In other words volunteers need a basic understanding of gameplay and thats it. Your not a professor teaching a college student advanced calculus. Your teaching preschool, teach them how to tie their shoe, count to 10, the alphabet, and send them out the door.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.05.28 04:39:55 -
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or what is the differance between missiles and turrets
how do i know what type of tank to use
what does it mean to be war decced
what is the difference between the sites when i'm in a worm hole
how do i find some one when hunting using d-scan
what are the benefits of each security space. high sec is the safest right
all questions i have seen asked by new players that have been given very very erroneous answers
what i'm saying is if you are going to do something best to do it right or we are just going to get a more focused version of rookie help. it can be very helpful if the right ppl are on and damning when they are not. At least in rookie help you are more likely to have some on there to correct bad info
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Valkin Mordirc
2098
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Posted - 2016.05.28 06:25:49 -
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I like the idea, I think after the 12 month the newbie should be asked again to rate his tutor. That way down the road when the newbie is more knowing about the game, he could add a more informed judgment on his teacher.
Like if the his Teacher wasn't as knowlegble when It came to mechanics W-space and gave out misinformation that the Newbie now knows was wrong he can add that in later.
Tutors should also be able to read how they were rated so they may improve there own habits, maybe keep the reviews anonymous.
Also it should be linked to accounts, just IP address maybe (IP address can be bypassed I know, but some sort of barrier to keep someone from have 10 accounts with five newbies each sounds horrific) , and either increase reward bonus, or allow up to 12 or so newbies per IP address.
And make it a bannable offences if you are getting around the IP block.
If you going to be a teacher you should really only have 10 or so pupils at once anyways,
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2515
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Posted - 2016.05.28 06:43:06 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Second, if you wanted to cheat the system you would have to create exactly 100 accounts to get enough AUR for a skill extractor ( at 1000 AUR). To further rain on your parade, you only get 10 AUR IF you have the newbie under your wing for 2 weeks. Since you are limited to 5 newbies at a time. The maximum amount of newbies you could have in a month is 10 which is 100 AUR. The final tally is to get enough AUR for a skill extractor, by trying to cheat the system, it would take you 10 months and 100 accounts. Which is also what makes it for actual volunteers a complete waste of time and effort. 240 AUR under the best conditions for a full year of training, maintaining and continuously pestering that newbie to stay in game and do not unsub? You are kidding, right?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.05.28 10:20:12 -
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It's basically just a personality contest then, right?
e: besides, who would want to be paid in a cosmetic secondary currency that just isn't as liquid as ISK or PLEX?
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2664
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Posted - 2016.05.28 10:37:06 -
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you could use it to buy more glasses......
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.05.28 10:38:55 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:you could use it to buy more glasses......
Well, apart from that
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2664
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Posted - 2016.05.28 10:50:05 -
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i hate to say it but at least they look better than aviators. >.> doesn't change the immoral debauchery involved in obtaining them
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4452
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Posted - 2016.05.28 12:44:08 -
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Rewards that low are pretty much worthless, and a system this comperlicated is not actually going to benefit anyone.
What happens when it gets full of those special kind of trolls who tell newbies they can't engage in PVP with less than three years of skill training, should never venture out of highsec, and that missions and mining are all there is for them? A newbie probably isn't going to know better after all.
Surely it'd be better to point people to actual newbie focused groups, like eve uni, karmafleet, PH, brave etc than to pay people less than they'd make belt ratting in frigates.
Hell, doesn't the rookie help channel already deal with half of this kind of thing? |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
66
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Posted - 2016.05.28 13:56:16 -
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In response to:
Rivr Luzade Bumblefck Lugh Crow-Slave Danika Princip
With a perfect score you would make 10 AUR for getting the newbie, 40 AUR for the first month, and 220 AUR for the remaining 11 months. That is 270 AUR x 5 newbies per month or 1350 AUR per month which is 16200 AUR a year. Buying skill extractors not on sale for 1000 AUR and selling them on the market( assuming a 10-15% drop in market price) you would make 4 billion isk per year. If you bought extractors on sale you would push 5 billion.
You can also buy multiple pilot training certificates allowing you to train an alt on your account. These are going on the market for about the same price as a plex ( and for training 2 characters at once are the same thing as a plex). You could buy about 5 of these a year. So nearly 5 billion isk. You can sell anything out of the AUR store on the market including skins and apparel.
So saying AUR is worthless "unless you want to buy a pair of glasses" is like saying a "pith x-type large shield booster" is worthless unless you fly shield tanked ships.
Quote:What happens when it gets full of those special kind of trolls who tell newbies they can't engage in PVP with less than three years of skill training, should never venture out of highsec, and that missions and mining are all there is for them? A newbie probably isn't going to know better after all. I like how people like to interject their opinion on how to play this game as "fact" and all others are wrong. There is no wrong way to play this game. Its a sandbox. You can do what you want in it. It doesnt make sense to many people why miners mine their life away in highsec, why CODE ganks nearly worthless ships, why people do faction war then claim they dont want to pvp in null because they DONT like blobbing, etc.
Do you have any idea how much advice circulates in this game on the daily basis that someone else think is bad advice? Start a thread on any topic and you get a lot of different answers. Every poster will swear up and down there advice is the only good advice and only their way to play is the only correct way.
The main goal of this for new players not to feel lost and overwhelmed and have someone they can ask questions of. They will make mistakes in eve, they will get bad advice in eve but thats life. I feel no need to shelter newbies from certain advice no more than you feel the need to shelter newbies from the dangers of null.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4454
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Posted - 2016.05.28 15:03:50 -
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Yes, I think 4-5b a year is nothing much. Especially as that's not a figure anyone is actually going to attain without using their own or a corpmate's alts to the exclusion of all else. EVE is simply not for everyone, you're never going to have five newbies who last the whole year and remember/bother to rate you every month.
What happens when your newbies do quit? At what point does the slot reopen? How long is it before a newbie who does stay can be replaced, do you have to wait a year?
Why is this any better than things like the rookie help channel, or nudging people towards actual corporations? |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.05.28 16:01:19 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Yes, I think 4-5b a year is nothing much. Especially as that's not a figure anyone is actually going to attain without using their own or a corpmate's alts to the exclusion of all else. EVE is simply not for everyone, you're never going to have five newbies who last the whole year and remember/bother to rate you every month.
What happens when your newbies do quit? At what point does the slot reopen? How long is it before a newbie who does stay can be replaced, do you have to wait a year?
Why is this any better than things like the rookie help channel, or nudging people towards actual corporations?
This isnt a career. I know quite a few people that would do it for free. Its a reward not a source of income. This is like the SP daily we have." but i dont want to kill a rat for 10k sp!" If you dont want to do it then dont.
Eve isnt for everyone but given how different it is and how complex it is, it pushes a lot of people away. I am a great example. If my friend from another game hadnt encouraged me to stick with it because it gets better i wouldnt be playing 8 years later. But through his encouragement and help i stuck through it and it slowly got better.
Your not understanding the system. You get a newbie for 30 days. After that 30 days newbie is on his own( unless you want to continue helping outside of the program). he rates you . The first month you get 4 points per star. The only requirement to continue to collect Aur from the newbie is that he keeps a paid account. The next 11 months, assuming he has an active account, you collect 2 AUR per star per month from that newbie. Its not really that difficult of a concept. He doesnt rate you every month and you dont help him every month.
Your goal is to help the newbie in his first 30 days, not for an entire year. By the end of 30 days i was flying cruisers, in a player corp and doing level 3 missions. By 6 months i was living in null full time and only took me that long then because you didnt get many free SP back then on a new character and everyone required at least 500k sp to even consider you if they were null based.
It was my friend and that help( which wasnt a lot) that kept me in this game for 8 years. Sometimes you can move mountains with very little effort. |
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