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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.28 18:15:16 -
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I have not invested any serious time into Eve for years. While I lost interest in the game, I continued to keep my account active. I think at one point people called what I have been doing as Skill Training Online. So when another expansion or patch was released, I just downloaded it and kept the skill accumulating without bothering to read the patch notes. But over time, I have been running low on things to train and decided to set-up some purchase orders. In the past I was able to obtain some books on the cheap, so I picked out ten books and set myself as the top purchaser without going too far over the current competition.
As it happened in the past, I was outbid. But when I looked closer, I was outbid on all ten books and noticed patterns.
I set all ten books I was looking to purchase in my Quickbar (I believe that is what is it called) so I can quickly run down them. I set up a clock nearby where a glance of the eyes will tell me the seconds. Since an obvious pattern was all ten prices above mine were all adjusted on the same day and hour, I voided that aspect in my test. So with paper and pen (no pencil nearby), I began clicking each book in six second intervals and writing down the minutes and seconds my competition made his or her (or its) adjustments. One minute later I had my list and posted them next to my own entries in my Excel file I used in the past for things Eve related. I then did a simple subtraction of the minimum time value from the list from the maximum time value to reach an overall value used by my competition to adjust all ten prices above mine. Since I used one minute myself to gather the data time stamps, I subtracted one minute from my competition's time adjustment value.
The final value was one minute even.
One minute or sixty seconds over ten different skill books equals six seconds per adjustment. I might be getting a touch old and slow, but trying to pull up a market value, look at certain data points, write those values down, and move on in six seconds pushed me. Yet am I to believe a person sitting at their computer was able to pull up the same ten skill books and alter their requested purchasing price - and I am not talking 0.01 above mine either - then submitting their order, letting the market adjust itself, and moving onward within the same allotted time?
Or CCP themselves set every item in the game to have a bare minimum value. So if a player requests a purchase price below this value, the CCP bot automatically adjusts itself above the highest price. Anything sold to this bot is voided and CCP keeps a relatively healthy market going. Speculation on my part...
So perhaps I missed the patch notes about using marketing bots (or lightning fast reflexes). Any direction on where I can read these patch notes on quickly adjusting market values would greatly be appreciated. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.05.28 18:29:04 -
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Confirming that starting the thread with a sarcastic question is a good way to have a productive thread. If you think there is a bot, report it. If you can't deal with bots don't play the market.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.05.28 18:44:58 -
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Things will change once CCP figures out how to monetize bots.
It certainly worked with the unofficial RMTers. Once CCP figured out how to take over their business via PLEX, non-CCP RMT disappeared virtually overnight.
So we know they could - with the right motivation - do the same with market bots.
As for you, Loyd. Don't get mad at someone getting mad about cheaters. It's perfectly understandable. And while he may have worded his OP in a non productive manner, he has a point.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
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Posted - 2016.05.28 19:33:28 -
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Yeah. Market bots pretty much rule the market. Anybody thinking they're playing the market like part of the game is seriously mistaken. We're supposed to police it. Apparently it's impossible for bots to be rendered inop in this game. However, I am all kinds of curious about just who is running market bots. This may be one of those touchy topics, if you catch my drift.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2529
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Posted - 2016.05.28 20:12:21 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Things will change once CCP figures out how to monetize bots. This is so totally game breaking and greedy I will not be surprised if they actually implement such a thing.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Bobb Bobbington
Bros Before Holes The Devils' Rejects
308
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Posted - 2016.05.28 20:33:31 -
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It is totally possible to adjust a price in 6 seconds, as long as you don't study the graphs or write stuff down. A lot of people just rely on flipping items, they find someone with good margins and moving volume, add to list, and then afterwards repeatedly go down the list typing a number slightly above the current highest. It doesn't even need to be .01 because it takes longer to be precise. If you're in Jita there's probably 100-200 people doing this all at the same time, so you easily could've hit somebody going down the same list as you.
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Probably.
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2859
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Posted - 2016.05.29 07:20:32 -
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A trading strategy that requires continuous price adjustment is not the greatest. Better to post your orders and let the market move through them.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1041
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Posted - 2016.05.29 08:32:27 -
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Gaiz - this is a market bot whine thread, leave all the sense-making out of it kthx. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6155
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Posted - 2016.05.29 08:53:31 -
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Been around for over 7 years, and you know, I've never played the 0.01 ISK game.
Still have managed to buy and sell everything at prices of my own choosing.
Pick reasonable prices, and then be patient. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12176
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Posted - 2016.05.29 10:48:33 -
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Welcome to the world of right clicking on the blue bar in the market screen, spinning the mouse wheel down a few times and hitting enter
OP - did you consider the fact that you competition perhaps viewed you as a bot?
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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W33b3l
Conquest and Kittens
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Posted - 2016.05.29 14:31:04 -
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Ill do the .01 isk thing from time to time when selling a large batch of something but its like once or twice a day. Ide actually prefer that people do that since it allows us to undercut each other while still keeping our ROI decent. Maybe thats just me though. It makes the most math sense. Its really funny when someone undercuts so drastically that they are now selling at a price less then what it costs to make said item. Makes for a quick turn around lol.
Ive always wondered about market bots though. Im sure they exist here and there. They shouldnt but im sure they do. |
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