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Nikerym Selugion
Gallente AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 10:44:00 -
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Forwarning: i'm making this post without reading any of the last 11 pages...
Very nice post seleene, and i look forward to having you on the end of my pew pew.
there are those within the northern coilition who do respect that MC are fulfilling a contract and may not in fact be allied with bob. (outside the contract) however it also stands to reason that noone in the north were willing to pay what i'm sure you guys would have asked to go against bob, for the simple fact that if we were to use the same money to put another 20 people in dreads and multiple hunreds of people in BS, it would in ship wise, outdo you guys by a long shot, that being said, 1 of you guys probably count for 10 or even 20 of the northern guys in ability/skills/tactics.
in my personal opinion, i belive bob is not hiring you for your ability (they are paying for your ability, but not hiring you for it.) they are hiring you for numbers, to bolster thier ranks. 50 of you are worth 200 of the northern guys they figure, they are simply trying to improve the odds of 20 to 1, bob have hired MC for numbers, nothing more imo.
that being said, best of luck to both sides in the comming conflict,
D2, IRON, FLA, Razor, MM, RAGOON, Fly hard and fly safe and come home victorious!
BOB, MC, Fly Smart, we are down there for a challenge, give us a good one :)
later, Nikerym
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2007.02.28 10:48:00 -
[362]
This does not come as a surprise, was MC expecting to live in BoB space and still be allowed to atack their assets in case of a Coalition contract, without BoB responding?
Now thats a good one, instead of becoming one of the others backyard militia or Spec Force, you just became BoB's.
Now the good part is, and this is me assuming, you had your minds made up even before BoB contracted you.
Well welcome to the war. _______________________
What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Vorkin
Unknown Holdings Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.28 10:58:00 -
[363]
Ah well, BoB will be defeated and removed from eve, now as will MC.
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hothead
Minmatar Confederation of Red Miners
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:01:00 -
[364]
asking for something that is impossible imho does not make u neutral .. the day u moved into BOB space is the day you lost your neutrality... BTW go BOB.. always for the smaller guy :)
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Derkan
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:08:00 -
[365]
No surprice there, lol..
That should give you guys a few extra months of rent. "will merc for rent of space"
anyways, gl and have fun
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Fillmeup
Gallente Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:21:00 -
[366]
I have a lot of respect for the MC's in-game and out of game capability, and the banner alone is worth a post
Personally, I think there is more to this than the reasoning provided in Selene's post, but it doesn't really matter. They are the bad guys, so it's pew pew at them .. and it seems a lot of eve wants to see it happen.
Whatever the outcome, it's gonna be fun
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.28 11:57:00 -
[367]
I think it is a lots of words for just a simple contract announcement. Why not just telling "We were hired by BoB for an incredible amount of money, unable to resist that best offer ever in our history we go to war. Yarr!" That would have been enough I think.
All this talking and talking and more words, what for?
Actions speak louder than words.
I liked ET's announcement much more! Just to the point: "Die!"
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hkghjghj
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: hkghjghj on 28/02/2007 11:57:33
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf Your original post seems clear as mud. 3. MC by your admitted post had accepted a contract against Northern Alliances. They fought in this war for several weeks. The Northern Alliances in response attacked a few of your smaller assets. Seems part of the same war. You in turn are attempting to use this as a reason for accepting a contract from BoB against the Northern Alliances. Sounds like a cover story. You in essence were already at war with the Northern Alliances, even though your contract might have ended they didn't seem to believe the war was over....
4. MC maintains a series of outpost and POSs in territory politically claimed by BoB.
5. Given these four facts, why would any of the Anti BoB forces offer you any contract? Its called a conflict of interest. There is to great a danger that you would spy upon any would be employer and send data to BoB in order to save your own space. Given that previously you refused a 100 billion contract against BoB why would anyone offer more with such a blatant conflict of interest.
This post sums up everything perfectly. Here is some more to go with it.
As soon as MC established themselves out in 0.0 BoB space, the "we will take any job....for a price" chest thumping is just that...a show. Did anyone realistically think that MC would ever jepordize their acknowledged buisness/territory relations with BoB by attacking their "landlords"?
"If you offered enough we would do it..." - If you look at the life of a Merc in eve, you realize that most Merc corps have nothing/very little to lose in terms heavy 0.0 infastructure. As a result they are able to accept contracts on pretty much whomever they want without any fear of reprocussion. Sure the contracts target will be ****ed...but is he really going to want to chase the Mercs home and start attacking them after their contract has been terminated? He MAY want to, but to do so is NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
IF MC EVER dared to attack BoB or one of its sat-com alliances, the "neturality" that all Mercs depend on wouldnt apply. Because they have so many assests in BoB space Bob could begin destroying everything MC has labored to build, or at the very least force them on the defensive by launching heavy raids against MC assets...meaning MC would be on the defensive for the contracts entire duration. By taking out a contract against BoB, they would effectively be risking ALL of the alliances assets.
what does this mean? I dont really believe there is enough money in EvE that could get MC to attack BoB...and even if this ungodly (imaginary) sum could be assembled by any one entity, i still doubt MC would betray their landlords...why would they? They have a nice arrangement.
*forgive this analogy...i cant think of a historical example so early in the morning* - You can basically liken MC to the Mercenary units in Battletech (Eridani Light Horse), or Glenn Cooks "Black Company". Ultimatly, yes they mercenaries, but economical, political, and i suspect personal (bet dollars to donuts a fair number of MC high-ups/general mercs are good friends with BoB...nothing surprising about it...and certainly nothing wrong with it) realities mean that IN ITS CURRENT POSITION MC WOULD NEVER WAR ON BOB (my opinion). Its also worth mentioning MCs well-known professional manner/conduct....i cant see them stabbing a long time buisness partner in the back.
So Bob basically have MC on *passive retainer*...through cirumstance if not through actual contract - AND THIS TRUTH WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MC LEAVES BOB SPACE - and enters into a similar relationship with another alliance, establishes their own "soverign territory" (means ppl treat them like any alliance), or pull out of heavy 0.0 infastructure completely (true merc freedom).
Anyway thats my worthless analysis...(who knows i could be 100% wrong...especially if MC doesnt take this game as seriously as i think they do).
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R3dSh1ft
Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:10:00 -
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TBH I am glad you are fighting with BoB as I relish the opportunity to go up against you again MC. Having been the mark of two MC contracts, IAC understands the MC's abilities and - perhaps more importantly - the respect others' have for you.
I hope we get our marching orders soon and they take us in your direction.
Weeeeeeeeeeee!!! ______________________________________
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Ripee
Amarr Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:12:00 -
[370]
Have fun and stuff.
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Osiris Warp
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:14:00 -
[371]
THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.
ALSO POST SOME F&%^$ING CATS!!!!!!!!!!!! "ACHTUNG! Osiris Warp may actually be a spider-human hybrid
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:25:00 -
[372]
GO GO GO MC!
And could somebody please think of the children! Its too much bloody crying goin on!
Cheers, Lowa
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DeckardIRL
Bravehearts Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:32:00 -
[373]
I stated yesterday that this war would be over sooner than people think and this confirms it more than ever
If people are not surprised by Seleene's announcement, then why the flame fest?
Things are coming to the boil nicely.
Deck
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De FENS
Caldari Eastern Heritage O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:45:00 -
[374]
Edited by: De FENS on 28/02/2007 12:43:59 *Sry I had the wrong char a few posts up
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf Your original post seems clear as mud. 3. MC by your admitted post had accepted a contract against Northern Alliances. They fought in this war for several weeks. The Northern Alliances in response attacked a few of your smaller assets. Seems part of the same war. You in turn are attempting to use this as a reason for accepting a contract from BoB against the Northern Alliances. Sounds like a cover story. You in essence were already at war with the Northern Alliances, even though your contract might have ended they didn't seem to believe the war was over.... 4. MC maintains a series of outpost and POSs in territory politically claimed by BoB. 5. Given these four facts, why would any of the Anti BoB forces offer you any contract? Its called a conflict of interest. There is to great a danger that you would spy upon any would be employer and send data to BoB in order to save your own space. Given that previously you refused a 100 billion contract against BoB why would anyone offer more with such a blatant conflict of interest.
This post sums up everything perfectly. Here is some more to go with it.
As soon as MC established themselves out in 0.0 BoB space, the "we will take any job....for a price" chest thumping is just that...a show. Did anyone realistically think that MC would ever jepordize their acknowledged buisness/territory relations with BoB by attacking their "landlords"?
"If you offered enough we would do it..." - If you look at the life of a Merc in eve, you realize that most Merc corps have nothing/very little to lose in terms heavy 0.0 infastructure. As a result they are able to accept contracts on pretty much whomever they want without any fear of reprocussion. Sure the contracts target will be ****ed...but is he really going to want to chase the Mercs home and start attacking them after their contract has been terminated? He MAY want to, but to do so is NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
IF MC EVER dared to attack BoB or one of its pets the "neutrality" that all Mercs depend on wouldnt apply. Because they have so many assests in BoB space Bob could begin destroying everything MC has labored to build, or at the very least force them on the defensive by launching heavy raids against MC assets...meaning MC would be on the defensive for the contracts entire duration. By taking out a contract against BoB, they would effectively be risking ALL of the alliances assets.
what does this mean? I dont really believe there is enough money in EvE that could get MC to attack BoB...and even if this ungodly (imaginary) sum could be assembled by any one entity, i still doubt MC would betray their landlords...why would they? They have a nice arrangement.
*forgive this analogy i cant think of a historical example so early in the morning* - You can basically liken MC to the Mercenary units in Battletech (Eridani Light Horse), or Glenn Cooks "Black Company". Ultimatly, yes they mercenaries, but economical, political, and i suspect personal (bet dollars to donuts a fair number of MC high-ups/general mercs are good friends with BoB...nothing surprising about it...and certainly nothing wrong with it) realities mean that IN ITS CURRENT POSITION MC WOULD NEVER WAR ON BOB (my opinion). Its also worth mentioning MCs well-known professional manner/conduct....i cant see them stabbing a long time buisness partner in the back. They have a good arrangement
So Bob basically have MC on *passive retainer*...through cirumstance if not through actual contract - AND THIS TRUTH WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MC LEAVES BOB SPACE - and enters into a similar relationship with another alliance, establishes their own "soverign territory" (what they dont want) or pull out of heavy 0.0 infastructure completely (true merc freedom).
Anyway thats my worthless analysis...(who knows i could be 100% wrong...especially if MC doesnt take this game as seriously as i think they do
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: DeadDuck on 28/02/2007 12:43:51
Originally by: DeckardIRL I stated yesterday that this war would be over sooner than people think and this confirms it more than ever
Care to explain, how do you reach that conclusion ?
Thank you
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bigfatbird
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:56:00 -
[376]
Originally by: Evil Thug die MC
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 13:15:00 -
[377]
Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 28/02/2007 12:43:51
Originally by: DeckardIRL I stated yesterday that this war would be over sooner than people think and this confirms it more than ever
Care to explain, how do you reach that conclusion ?
Thank you
Although there's things that can be pointed out, I'm mostly reminding Deckard we arn't to be posting here.
Sorry 'Dead'duck, you'll have to figure that out solo.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:03:00 -
[378]
Originally by: Fedaykinn
i bet MC will be hired within a week after the war ends.
Not if all there space has been destroyed like LV's is being. There cap ship fleet wont be replenished. Theyll have to move to empire. And as soon as they do that they are gonna have no credibility left
I thought that the lack of credibility stemmed from exactly the reason that they do not live in empire.. ^_^
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:04:00 -
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omg I love the banner. I am going to watch session 6, then session 7 of buffy and then.... Ahhh nvm happy hunting to every1 involved :-) ---------------------------------- A desperate voice brakes the silence on the GODS coms:
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:08:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Proxay
Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 28/02/2007 12:43:51
Originally by: DeckardIRL I stated yesterday that this war would be over sooner than people think and this confirms it more than ever
Care to explain, how do you reach that conclusion ?
Thank you
Although there's things that can be pointed out, I'm mostly reminding Deckard we arn't to be posting here.
Sorry 'Dead'duck, you'll have to figure that out solo.
Although I think that the word "pet" is a rude word as used in "Eve forumfare", by this post you are giving a good example.
I guess from this moment on we won't see many MC on CAOD.
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De FENS
Caldari Eastern Heritage O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:38:00 -
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your right im sorry pet isnt the word i was looking for.
I call em "Satellite Alliances"
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Redbad
Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:49:00 -
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Who is hiring VETO these days?
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Pro Valde Justicia
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:05:00 -
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It's a glorious day for announcements it seems.
I've one of my own .
Fairly momentous i think. I've been browsing these forums for the last 6 months or so, studiously reading most every post in the threads im interested in (work gets boring sometimes).
But finally, after all this time, my brain finally packed it in. One misinformed "insidescoopitis" post after another, pure random mind numbing conjecture at its finest. To everyone that's already there, i'll be your +1 .
To everyone still absorbing the drivel for the scraps of real/well thought out posting, hang in there, it could be today for you too .
Oh, did love the spy vs spy reference though. Didn't think ne1 would resurrect that dinosaur, so good!
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Orree on 28/02/2007 15:19:16
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: d'Mortaigne So, once again you are on BoB's side. Exactly what was the news here? Oh and please dont stop pretending to be mercenaries, its hilarious!
1. You and your allies refuse to hire MC.
2. BoB is the only one giving MC any remotely reasonable offer.
3. MC, of course, takes the BoB offer, given none other.
4. Complain about 3).
Incorrect, but thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you at the door.
Personally, I'm still waiting for some sort of official comment on the Seleene quote from MCs fora from LAST YEAR (posted and quoted several times in this thread) in which he states MC's allegiance to BoB quite clearly and confirms what we've all known for quite some time.
I have no problem with any of this, to be honest. It's not "new" news. MC can have whatever friends they choose.
I just don't see the point in making it sounds like the rest of us somewhow missed the boat when no such boat existed.
Win or lose, the forces arrayed against the BoB bloc knew they would be fighting MC as well. As I said...none of this is news.
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Aizhan Ushrakhan
The Sword and The Shield
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:23:00 -
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MC has lost their reputation the moment Seleene decided to shack up with Molle.
MC is never neutral. It's supposed highest bidder secures but how can they do it if their region of space and members are crossing over with their so-called neutral business partner.
Who in their right minds would want to hire a fleet that can report to their enemies?
Since when do Mercs ask for help to protect their oh-so-precious fetus titan/mommy?
The problem is MC is trying to say they are neutral and NO ONE asked them to kill their beloved BOB. Hmm, that would be hara-kiri imo. You ask help from BOB then want to kill BOB because someone ask you to...nah. No need to spew neutrality when you are obviously not. Even if BOB did hire you..you're just a lapdog. So roll over and heel.
Dont lie MC.
You should have just said "We are BOB, you just dont know it..you're all dead." Besides, i dont think anyone want to hire you anymore (unless they r from BOB FANLCUB) your integrity and reputation you have been working for so long ...is gone.
Even SMG can't help you.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kaeten on 28/02/2007 15:21:41
Originally by: Seleene This plan was specifically geared toward making sure the MC would be able to stay self-sufficient and provide the best services possible to any customer.
The only time I'll ever belive that is when MC is contracted towards any of BOBs allies or BOB itself(shooting BOB wouldn't be the best idea tbh). If yous shoot Xelas Or any pet corp BOB has then you can call yourselfs true mercenaries.
At this moment in time. Your only mercenaries to a certain percentage of the EVE universe. And don't say if the price is right because yous brought this on yourselfs.
The moment yous decided to own space in an alliances backyard is when yous lost the true mercenary way of life.
EDIT: Other than that. I hope yous have a fun time pew pewing.
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Lin Dze
PsyCorp Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:27:00 -
[387]
I thought the mods were supposed to lock threads where the OP didn't post any content?
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Weatherman
Gallente Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:42:00 -
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I think the Coalitions are just whining so hard because they want MC on their side but can't deal with the fact that they aren't.
For those of you who really care about their prospect of ever having hired MC against BoB, consider this: it's not solely isk that would have hired MC to contract against BoB. It's obviously some combination of isk, 0.0 access, and a solid strategy for defeating BoB. Apparantly they were never offered that. So stop whining about it, it makes you look bad.
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Aizhan Ushrakhan
The Sword and The Shield
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Weatherman ... it's not solely isk that would have hired MC to contract against BoB. It's obviously some combination of isk, 0.0 access, and a solid strategy for defeating BoB. Apparantly they were never offered that. So stop whining about it, it makes you look bad.
Question is no one wants to hire MC.. get it? ofc you do PetBob #291 |
Daald
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Weatherman I think the Coalitions are just whining so hard because they want MC on their side but can't deal with the fact that they aren't.
Originally by: Seleene
Yet during this, the absolute height of a chance to possibly remove Band of Brothers from power, not one offer was made.
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