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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.05.31 12:30:31 -
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The only reason i would set a trap for him is if your desperate for pvp, bored, and dont mind losing a ship or two.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
4380
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Posted - 2016.05.31 12:46:54 -
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GD is literally the worst place you could possibly have made this thread. Now it's full of dumb replies from people like Dracvlad who have no idea what they're talking about. |
Fat Buddah
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2016.05.31 15:26:58 -
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Don't forget that the rats don't care whom they are shooting at. The beat response is to ignore and deny him contents. If you are going to engage, let a friend in a cheaper ship handle the suspect. |
Lucas Kell
Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7812
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Posted - 2016.05.31 15:40:09 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Whining because other players don't just lay down with a bag over their heads on your request so you can kill them just shows that you have absolutely no idea how the game works in Highsec. He's not whining, he's pointing out the futility of your suggestion. You are saying that by setting up a trap he can bait content out of the attacker, but invariably the attacker is not new to it (as this guy obviously is) so the attacker won;t fall for the bait. Effectively you're saying he shouldn't listen to people telling him to ignore the attacker and play the way he likes, he should instead waste time baiting the attacker into a fight which the attacker will ignore anyway, wasting even more of his time on even less content.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:If you however enjoy spaceship action and strategy you may actually enjoy it very much. To be quote honest, if you enjoy action and strategy you don't generally live in highsec.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:The difference between a good and a bad player in Highsec is... That a good player just plays the game and enjoys it however he wants while a bad player tries to dictate how others should play.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2895
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Posted - 2016.05.31 15:51:14 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:The only reason i would set a trap for him is if your desperate for pvp, bored, and dont mind losing a ship or two.
If you were desperate for PvP, you would not be running PvE content in HS... |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14165
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Posted - 2016.05.31 15:57:40 -
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Cranial Rectidus wrote:So, this weekend I have been followed around by a particular player in the region I run missions, combat sites, etc. I typically deploy a mobile tractor while i fight to help speed up the looting/salvage process. This same guy scans or warps in with a manticore and pops my mobile tractors and leaves. Have a stream of kill reports to show.
My question is, does Concord not respond to this? I have not yet seen Concord warp in once (in a 0.7) and I am very hesitant to fire on this guy as I am not sure if this "legal" and I lose a Golem over it.
It doesn't seem to make sense to me that tractors could be popped by other players in hi-sec without a response. If that were the case, there would be far less mobile structures in Jita. Not sure how to deal with this.
Thanks in advance.
Actually he just did it again in a scanned down combat site in a 0.5. trying to get video but for some reason my recorder records everything as a black screen with audio.
Highlighted the root of the problem here lol. In then 87.5 or so % of New Eden that isn't high sec, shooting someone who is screwing with you wouldn't be a question that needs posting about. The last time a guy that shot one of my MTUs got dogpiled by me and 15 of my closest friends less than 30 seconds later with no f'd up timers getting in the way. That's what one gets for daring to disrupt my Shekel Stacking...
The screwy, convoluted and hard to understand high sec security mechanics are the real problem, because those mechanics are just begging to be gamed by more knowledgeable players. In fact the more knowledgeable players use those mechanics like a club, and people like the OP are the baby seals. |
Lucas Kell
Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7812
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Posted - 2016.05.31 16:16:24 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The last time a guy that shot one of my MTUs got dogpiled by me and 15 of my closest friends less than 30 seconds later with no f'd up timers getting in the way. That's what one gets for daring to disrupt my Shekel Stacking... Screenshot or it didn't happen.
Jenn aSide wrote:The screwy, convoluted and hard to understand high sec security mechanics are the real problem, because those mechanics are just begging to be gamed by more knowledgeable players. In fact the more knowledgeable players use those mechanics like a club, and people like the OP are the baby seals. That's not really the main problem. If he were in lowsec or nullsec it would still come down to being more knowledgeable. If the above did happen it's because you knew the game well enough to mitigate the risk of you running PvE in your area, and the target that got blown up didn't. Pretending that by moving out of highsec you suddenly know mechanics doesn't change anything.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
318
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:59:05 -
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I'm looking at Manticore fits and I just don't see the price vs. return bait and switch here.
Even a cheap fit is around 60m ISK. EHP is around 2K-4K, nothing stellar.
A crappy gank Catalyst could down this thing in a second or two without point/tackle. My T2 Cruiser could vaporize him in the same time frame at 15K.
So if the game is to get downed and come back with a stronger ship, it's mitigated by just leaving after you clobber him or having friends... all of this has been pointed out though.
With such easy counter tactics, I'm not sure what the bait and switch game is of the baiter though. Would you actually find enough suckers with enough loot to pay for you losing a 60m ISK ship all the time? I know HiSec is low return for risk, but man, that's pretty terrible math and a lot of confidence (or foolishness) on the baiter's part there.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
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Ravien Darkstarr
New Eden Film Society
9
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:43:21 -
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Get a friend to watch you in their own stealth bomber. When the guy goes suspect, your friend ganks them and cloaks back up to wait out the engagement timer. It's unlikely the guy is fitting his stealth bomber to fight frigates so your friend should be able to lock him down and win that fight easily by choosing the right fit. And you don't risk your Golem! |
Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
318
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Posted - 2016.05.31 19:51:04 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote: With such easy counter tactics, I'm not sure what the bait and switch game is of the baiter though. Would you actually find enough suckers with enough loot to pay for you losing a 60m ISK ship all the time? I know HiSec is low return for risk, but man, that's pretty terrible math and a lot of confidence (or foolishness) on the baiter's part there.
Salt is a very valuable commodity.
"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
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Memphis Baas
1623
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Posted - 2016.05.31 23:21:52 -
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IMO, as it's been said already:
1. He's looking for a fight.
2. The rules are: a. As soon as he shoots the MTU, he goes suspect, meaning anyone can shoot him. b. Anyone who shoots him gets a limited engagement timer; he can shoot back. c. He can have friends providing off-grid boosts, but any remote repair or logistics ship that comes to aid him will also go suspect. d. Any of his friends that warp in can't shoot you until you shoot them first. e. You have to wait for his friends to provide remote repair assistance so they go suspect, before shooting them.
So:
1. Make sure you can tackle him with warp scrams and disruptors so he can't switch to a bigger ship. The suspect and limited engagement flags will last many minutes, and don't prevent anyone from docking up and getting a bigger ship. You have to make sure he's tackled if you're going to engage. Scram to disable his MWD, webifiers to keep him close, and energy neut to disable him.
2. Once he's shot your MTU, he's suspect. Tackle him, bring your friends in, everyone can shoot a suspect, Concord won't get involved. If he brings in logi repairs, the logi will have to go suspect to help him, so wait for that, then attack the logi ship, but you'll need to deal enough DPS to break a spider tank. To do that, bring ECM jammers, they mess up logi ships really bad. Also make sure everyone is tackled so they can't run away and bring bigger ships.
Depends on how many friends he has or what his plan is, you and your tacklers + him tackled + a couple Griffins / Blackbirds / Falcons to dissuade his logi friends from risking their ships may do the trick. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1782
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Posted - 2016.05.31 23:33:47 -
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Sigh.
When he shoots the MTU and goes suspect, keep dropping Vindicators/Protys/1200+ dps Mega's on him until all the stuff dies.
Bet he'll leave ya alone after that.
Or just use a Svipul.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
321
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Posted - 2016.06.01 00:09:19 -
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Ka Plaa wrote:Salt is a very valuable commodity.
AKA, for the fun of it... okay, I'll buy that... this is EVE after all. However, if I wanted to do something for the fun of it in HiSec to blow some ISK, I'd do this with a rookie ship, fresh out of the box with a Civilian weapon and pick on an MTU.
Not only would it have the owner rolling on the floor laughing, I'd add insult to injury and demand he pay me a bribe to let the MTU live. If he blew me up, I'd be back with another, then another, then another... ad nauseum. Once he gave me my bribe, I'd crow to the universe I made a Golem bow down to me in my Velator, civilian grade.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2884
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Posted - 2016.06.01 00:12:26 -
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Right. Some good and bad advice in here. What has been established as fact?
It's likely a trap. That's fine, the parameters surrounding said trap have already been laid out. Assume he has neutral logi and off grid boosts to assist him, and a better ship lurking nearby to reship in.
This is fine. He still has some pretty severe limitations as to what he can bring to the party.
You do not.
Bait tank that Golem to hell and back. Call up your friends. Have them hang one or two systems out once you've confirmed he's sniffing round you. Now, if he's been targetting you specifically the odds are pretty good he's set your corp standings so he can see if you've got help in system. Friends outside of corp are less obvious and will enhance the WTF effect. Lock him up, don't shoot at first. The carebear stare always gets baiters aroused. Then blap him if you can. It's gonna scamper off if possible to reship into that thing that he plans on actually killing you with. Keep an eye on D-scan for the trap ship's return, when you see it you call your buddies in.
Kill everything. EVERYTHING that he brings. The bait if you can, the trap, the trap's logi, the pods and his pet fedo. Scoop corpses, send mail asking if he'd like to try again.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
1847
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Posted - 2016.06.01 00:20:39 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Too much being scared in this thread. It's just a bomber.
Shoot it. Kill it.
No need to be scared of something so small. I killed a rattlesnake with a purifier.
That said, I agree. If your Golem can't handle a manticore, it deserves to die.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16085
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Posted - 2016.06.01 01:26:33 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote: Kill everything. EVERYTHING that he brings. The bait if you can, the trap, the trap's logi, the pods and his pet fedo. Scoop corpses, send mail asking if he'd like to try again.
especially if its leffy
Better the Devil you know.
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nezroy
Nice Clan
7
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Posted - 2016.06.01 01:56:02 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:I'm looking at Manticore fits and I just don't see the price vs. return bait and switch here.
Even a cheap fit is around 60m ISK. EHP is around 2K-4K, nothing stellar.
A crappy gank Catalyst could down this thing in a second or two without point/tackle. My T2 Cruiser could vaporize him in the same time frame at 15K.
So if the game is to get downed and come back with a stronger ship, it's mitigated by just leaving after you clobber him or having friends... all of this has been pointed out though.
With such easy counter tactics, I'm not sure what the bait and switch game is of the baiter though. Would you actually find enough suckers with enough loot to pay for you losing a 60m ISK ship all the time? I know HiSec is low return for risk, but man, that's pretty terrible math and a lot of confidence (or foolishness) on the baiter's part there.
The return is the contents of the MTU. The risk is minimal because you don't get shot nearly as often as you'd expect with a suspect flag in high sec because everyone is terrified of all these advanced bait and switch scenarios. I've flown back and forth from Jita to Amarr popping MTUs and reinforcing MDs in a stealth bomber for hours, suspect flagged virtually the entire time, without even being locked up.
I agree there is no baiting here. It's just a dude in an SB taking MTU loot because he can. Blap the Manticore then dock up for the rest of the LE. There's no conspiracy here... |
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
127
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Posted - 2016.06.01 01:59:42 -
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One advice for you : don't shoot I'm. It's legal so technically you could kill him, but in most cases you are going to get destroyed |
Pix Severus
Empty You
4637
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Posted - 2016.06.01 03:16:03 -
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Never not shoot players who are attacking your MTU, even if you die I can guarantee it'll be a lot more fun and rewarding than the mission you've been doing.
-ì-ä-à -£-à+¦-äGêâ-Ç
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Cranial Rectidus
ElevenBravo
25
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Posted - 2016.06.01 03:32:37 -
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Been i game 8yrs with a couple year break....and honestly I don't think I ever spent more than a day or 2 in hi-sec then...
We set a trap for the guy earlier today with some T1 easy-to-replace gank fit frigs with some speedy targeting scripts. Down side is, he was ready and aligned and hit the panic button the second the merlin and catalyst warped on top of him. They missed the lock by half a second before he burned out...
Have not seen him again. Kind of a shame really.... we were looking forward to dealing with some "consequences" aside from a wardec... Oh well. Next time.... |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16089
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Posted - 2016.06.01 09:09:48 -
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Oh you gota flash some leg, take agression , hold him , you know waggle yer bum a bit, keep him focused before you tackle him.
Better the Devil you know.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2552
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Posted - 2016.06.01 09:10:06 -
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Good to see you ignored the anti-content carebears :-)
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2889
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Posted - 2016.06.01 09:50:03 -
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Cranial Rectidus wrote:Been i game 8yrs with a couple year break....and honestly I don't think I ever spent more than a day or 2 in hi-sec then...
We set a trap for the guy earlier today with some T1 easy-to-replace gank fit frigs with some speedy targeting scripts. Down side is, he was ready and aligned and hit the panic button the second the merlin and catalyst warped on top of him. They missed the lock by half a second before he burned out...
Have not seen him again. Kind of a shame really.... we were looking forward to dealing with some "consequences" aside from a wardec... Oh well. Next time....
Sounds like you had fun. I bet it got his heart pumping too. +1
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1680
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Posted - 2016.06.01 09:51:24 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Good to see you ignored the anti-content carebears :-)
This is a sandbox, one can play it how you feel. That which you and others put forward as the right way is only your opinion.
I have had people come in on me when doing missions and they don't come back, so I must be doing something right. But I am not up myself to the degree to think that how I play is everyones cup of tea. I rather like it that the OP shot the SB, just a pity that he did not get the kill, I just hope the SB player had skid marks on his undies
COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
210
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Posted - 2016.06.01 12:11:03 -
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Cranial Rectidus wrote:Been i game 8yrs with a couple year break....and honestly I don't think I ever spent more than a day or 2 in hi-sec then...
We set a trap for the guy earlier today with some T1 easy-to-replace gank fit frigs with some speedy targeting scripts. Down side is, he was ready and aligned and hit the panic button the second the merlin and catalyst warped on top of him. They missed the lock by half a second before he burned out...
Have not seen him again. Kind of a shame really.... we were looking forward to dealing with some "consequences" aside from a wardec... Oh well. Next time....
One of two things told him something was up: 1: This thread. 2: There are frigs in this site. Hmm, wonder why?
A signature :o
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Memphis Baas
1628
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Posted - 2016.06.01 13:29:07 -
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To the locator agents! |
Callim Opper
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:27:49 -
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If he's blasting ya mobile tractors why not just drop one, bookmark it, come back in a covert and stick yer metaphorical fist up his ass. Then move to Null.. at least there you'll have something worth losing. |
Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
254
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:34:17 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Try to set up a trap for this guy, make sure you have some friends around for backup and some more friends to deal with his backup. Don't listen to the anti-content people who tell you to ignore him. Be honest this is probably the only interesting thing that ever happened to you in Highsec. Just use some insured t1 hulls and be a good sports about it if you don't manage to kill him. Bovine Scatology at its finest. +10 for stacking it this high.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Cranial Rectidus
ElevenBravo
33
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Posted - 2016.06.01 20:10:02 -
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More than likely this thread tipped him off maybe...or could have been I named the MTU "Behind You"..
The setup:
Dude was sitting in the station we run out of and had just seen him dock up. Seems when he sees me in and out he goes looking for me and my nice cans..
So.... I warped to a combat site and dropped one out..let the drones take their time on the rats. We already assumed he was going to warp from the station @ 100km from site... So the other 2 that were going to jump him waited to do the exact same. When I saw him come in he didn't go to range or orbit this time, he just sat there for a second.
Buddies warped in but he had aligned back to the station right as the other 2 got in about 10km from him. He had just hit the "freedom" button when they stopped and spammed CTRL + Left click click click click click click...dammit...
Twas funs.. He never took a shot at the MTU even though I was doing lots of jumping jacks and screaming "over here!! Look!! Look!!".... |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1785
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Posted - 2016.06.01 23:20:35 -
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Next time....use interceptors........
Plus a Svipul.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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