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Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2016.06.01 18:11:07 -
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Ro Fenrios wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Ro Fenrios wrote:I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P? I'm not sure empire mercs are the right folks to ask. 1. WH and empire aren't the same 2. Stomping a 100 man corp is a lot different than what the bulk of empire mercs do 3. C4 needs a route in and hole control for the duration 4. Medium citadel takes like a week total to take down w/ timers Asking an empire merc corp to drop everything and go to a C4 for roughly a week is a pretty big ask. I 100% agree with what you said. My wonder was only about are there nothing but high sec mercs here in C&P?
That was my thinking, was that I could reach mercs that perhaps are not small numbers hunting in highsec here. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2089
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Posted - 2016.06.02 03:57:48 -
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Illyrius Fidard wrote:Ro Fenrios wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Ro Fenrios wrote:I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P? I'm not sure empire mercs are the right folks to ask. 1. WH and empire aren't the same 2. Stomping a 100 man corp is a lot different than what the bulk of empire mercs do 3. C4 needs a route in and hole control for the duration 4. Medium citadel takes like a week total to take down w/ timers Asking an empire merc corp to drop everything and go to a C4 for roughly a week is a pretty big ask. I 100% agree with what you said. My wonder was only about are there nothing but high sec mercs here in C&P? That was my thinking, was that I could reach mercs that perhaps are not small numbers hunting in highsec here.
This channel is mostly inhabited by HS mercs those idiot role players from CODE and a few others. There is the WH forum for wh stuffs. TBH most folks have gone to reddit because that's where most forum stuff migrated to.
The real bottom line is that WH evictions take a lot of time and effort to do correctly. Add in the multiple timers of citadels and drag it out from 3 days to a week and there really aren't that many groups period. The OP is asking for something that is pretty arduous. If I had the resources and the desire (I have neither) you'd be looking at 20 bil per wh to start. If they are active add another 5 bil. If they are competent add an additionsl 10 bil. So 35 bil per wh to evict a worthy opponent. I wouldn't commit my guys for a week w/out being able to pay them for it. It's a week of gameplay - sucky game play at that. |
Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2016.06.02 05:17:51 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Illyrius Fidard wrote:Ro Fenrios wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Ro Fenrios wrote:I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P? I'm not sure empire mercs are the right folks to ask. 1. WH and empire aren't the same 2. Stomping a 100 man corp is a lot different than what the bulk of empire mercs do 3. C4 needs a route in and hole control for the duration 4. Medium citadel takes like a week total to take down w/ timers Asking an empire merc corp to drop everything and go to a C4 for roughly a week is a pretty big ask. I 100% agree with what you said. My wonder was only about are there nothing but high sec mercs here in C&P? That was my thinking, was that I could reach mercs that perhaps are not small numbers hunting in highsec here. This channel is mostly inhabited by HS mercs those idiot role players from CODE and a few others. There is the WH forum for wh stuffs. TBH most folks have gone to reddit because that's where most forum stuff migrated to. The real bottom line is that WH evictions take a lot of time and effort to do correctly. Add in the multiple timers of citadels and drag it out from 3 days to a week and there really aren't that many groups period. The OP is asking for something that is pretty arduous. If I had the resources and the desire (I have neither) you'd be looking at 20 bil per wh to start. If they are active add another 5 bil. If they are competent add an additionsl 10 bil. So 35 bil per wh to evict a worthy opponent. I wouldn't commit my guys for a week w/out being able to pay them for it. It's a week of gameplay - sucky game play at that.
Too be honest, that is about what we expected to pay. around 25-30b per hole.
Like I said, I know how difficult of a contract this is, we are not taking it lightly, and we are looking for real mercenaries to handle the job.
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Arkady Romanov
Hole Violence Goonswarm Federation
646
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Posted - 2016.06.02 05:57:47 -
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How much ankle do I have to flash before you realize that I'd do it from the inside for less?
Whole Squid: Get Inked.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2090
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Posted - 2016.06.02 07:25:08 -
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The only other problem I would have is the Chribba thing. Not him personally, but why a 3rd party?
Honestly, if you put the isk in escrow and don't pay up front - I'm smelling setup all the way. OR Some elaborately worded crap contract w/ a bunch of ifs and thens in it that could possibly lead to drama on the back end. Especially if you keep w/ using an alt on your end. Your no name alt has no reputation to uphold/throw away over this.
It's not like any half reasonable merc would take your isk and run. That would be reputation suicide. If the corp has been around and has a reputation to maintain - just pay them. They survive on their reputations.
It was quite a ways back, but I only took isk up front and dealt with real characters. I get the alt thing here, but once negotiation time comes if it's not a real character - I wouldn't bother. |
Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2016.06.02 07:32:21 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:The only other problem I would have is the Chribba thing. Not him personally, but why a 3rd party?
Honestly, if you put the isk in escrow and don't pay up front - I'm smelling setup all the way. OR Some elaborately worded crap contract w/ a bunch of ifs and thens in it that could possibly lead to drama on the back end. Especially if you keep w/ using an alt on your end. Your no name alt has no reputation to uphold/throw away over this.
It's not like any half reasonable merc would take your isk and run. That would be reputation suicide. If the corp has been around and has a reputation to maintain - just pay them. They survive on their reputations.
It was quite a ways back, but I only took isk up front and dealt with real characters. I get the alt thing here, but once negotiation time comes if it's not a real character - I wouldn't bother.
Why would having the isk held in escrow by chribba be an issue?
Im not about to wire 30b into someones hands just hoping that they pull the job off.
I dont understand how having the isk in a 3rd party, especially one as trusted as chribba, is an issue..
I also dont want any funny worded contracts.
Everything burned, all citadels dead, no ransoms paid, everything possible in the wormhole killed.
Not exactly rocket science. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2090
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Posted - 2016.06.02 08:32:58 -
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Illyrius Fidard wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:The only other problem I would have is the Chribba thing. Not him personally, but why a 3rd party?
Honestly, if you put the isk in escrow and don't pay up front - I'm smelling setup all the way. OR Some elaborately worded crap contract w/ a bunch of ifs and thens in it that could possibly lead to drama on the back end. Especially if you keep w/ using an alt on your end. Your no name alt has no reputation to uphold/throw away over this.
It's not like any half reasonable merc would take your isk and run. That would be reputation suicide. If the corp has been around and has a reputation to maintain - just pay them. They survive on their reputations.
It was quite a ways back, but I only took isk up front and dealt with real characters. I get the alt thing here, but once negotiation time comes if it's not a real character - I wouldn't bother. Why would having the isk held in escrow by chribba be an issue? Im not about to wire 30b into someones hands just hoping that they pull the job off. I dont understand how having the isk in a 3rd party, especially one as trusted as chribba, is an issue.. I also dont want any funny worded contracts. Everything burned, all citadels dead, no ransoms paid, everything possible in the wormhole killed. Not exactly rocket surgery.
I wouldn't send my guys on a week long camping trip w/out the isk in the bank. Here's the issue. You post 35 bil w/ the Chrib. I devote 7 days to burning down the system and on day 6 SYJ drops 200 tengus on me and it's a no win for me. What do me and my guys get for putting in a genuine effort on your behalf? Zero?
A lot of stuff - much of it random happens in a wh. If I'm in there working for a week and things go sideways beyond my or your control, then what? You just walk away? I'm just saying there's no way I would personally take that contract. I get it's 100% secure for you on your end, but I'd be the one putting in a weeks work for nothing. AND AGAIN - doing all this w/ a no name alt would be a no go.
I'm in no way saying you're doing it wrong - I'm saying I wouldn't take it for the above stated reasons. |
Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2016.06.02 09:02:13 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Illyrius Fidard wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:The only other problem I would have is the Chribba thing. Not him personally, but why a 3rd party?
Honestly, if you put the isk in escrow and don't pay up front - I'm smelling setup all the way. OR Some elaborately worded crap contract w/ a bunch of ifs and thens in it that could possibly lead to drama on the back end. Especially if you keep w/ using an alt on your end. Your no name alt has no reputation to uphold/throw away over this.
It's not like any half reasonable merc would take your isk and run. That would be reputation suicide. If the corp has been around and has a reputation to maintain - just pay them. They survive on their reputations.
It was quite a ways back, but I only took isk up front and dealt with real characters. I get the alt thing here, but once negotiation time comes if it's not a real character - I wouldn't bother. Why would having the isk held in escrow by chribba be an issue? Im not about to wire 30b into someones hands just hoping that they pull the job off. I dont understand how having the isk in a 3rd party, especially one as trusted as chribba, is an issue.. I also dont want any funny worded contracts. Everything burned, all citadels dead, no ransoms paid, everything possible in the wormhole killed. Not exactly rocket surgery. I wouldn't send my guys on a week long camping trip w/out the isk in the bank. Here's the issue. You post 35 bil w/ the Chrib. I devote 7 days to burning down the system and on day 6 SYJ drops 200 tengus on me and it's a no win for me. What do me and my guys get for putting in a genuine effort on your behalf? Zero? A lot of stuff - much of it random happens in a wh. If I'm in there working for a week and things go sideways beyond my or your control, then what? You just walk away? I'm just saying there's no way I would personally take that contract. I get it's 100% secure for you on your end, but I'd be the one putting in a weeks work for nothing. AND AGAIN - doing all this w/ a no name alt would be a no go. I'm in no way saying you're doing it wrong - I'm saying I wouldn't take it for the above stated reasons.
A couple of people who have contacted me have requested a portion to be paid when they begin the seige, and that makes sense.
Honestly, If people cannot deal with proper hole control and capable of dealing with a supporting force, then they likely are not the mercs I am looking for. I am paying for the job to be done, and the last thing I want to hear are excuses. Frankly, if someone comes in and kicks you out of the eviction, well thats a merc failing in his job, and you dont deserve the full value of the contract because you failed in its goal.
I dont care if you dont like it being done through an alt. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2092
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Posted - 2016.06.02 09:37:09 -
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I'm not trying to make you like me! I'm trying to point out a few things for you to think about.
I don't really have a dog in this fight.... as far as I know anyway. |
Tertharan
6
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Posted - 2016.06.03 06:18:51 -
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Just a random correction: Citadel reinforcement timers are shorter in wormholes than elsewhere. It wouldn't take a week to kill one, it would take 48 hours. Of course if they have multiple citadels with different reinforcement timers the total time you need to be in the whole could be longer, but 48 hours would suffice to kill one at least. |
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1683
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Posted - 2016.06.03 06:55:13 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Ro Fenrios wrote:I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P? I'm not sure empire mercs are the right folks to ask. 1. WH and empire aren't the same 2. Stomping a 100 man corp is a lot different than what the bulk of empire mercs do 3. C4 needs a route in and hole control for the duration 4. Medium citadel takes like a week total to take down w/ timers Asking an empire merc corp to drop everything and go to a C4 for roughly a week is a pretty big ask.
Just a slight correction to your list.
Medium Citadels can be taken down in 48 hours in a WH, the time difference between armour reinforcement and being able to kill it is 24 hours in WH space and not 6 days as in other space.
COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
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Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2016.06.03 18:23:32 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Ro Fenrios wrote:I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P? I'm not sure empire mercs are the right folks to ask. 1. WH and empire aren't the same 2. Stomping a 100 man corp is a lot different than what the bulk of empire mercs do 3. C4 needs a route in and hole control for the duration 4. Medium citadel takes like a week total to take down w/ timers Asking an empire merc corp to drop everything and go to a C4 for roughly a week is a pretty big ask. Just a slight correction to your list. Medium Citadels can be taken down in 48 hours in a WH, the time difference between armour reinforcement and being able to kill it is 24 hours in WH space and not 6 days as in other space.
I think that a real eviction, a complete burnout, of a wormhole will take at least 7 days, probably 9.
The reason being is that most people will have the large and then a handful of mediums to allow people to stagger assets on different timers, hoping that people just smash the large and leave. |
Chantal Secheh
Amarrian Investment and Trade Company Theocracy of Righteous Reclamation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.05 20:23:09 -
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Sent you a mail. |
laura sagget
George Bluth Copmany
0
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Posted - 2016.06.05 23:54:21 -
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way to go chester way to go
*slow sarcastic clap* |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2108
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Posted - 2016.06.06 00:37:15 -
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So how is the OP going? Any takers? Any battle reports? |
Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2016.06.06 00:37:23 -
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laura sagget wrote:way to go chester way to go
*slow sarcastic clap*
?? |
IamA WreckingBall
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.06.06 13:03:15 -
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Hi,
So based on the attitude, writing style and the sizes of groups that the OP tries to hit, it is extremely likely that the OP's main is Chesterfield Fancypantz. http://evewho.com/pilot/Chesterfield+Fancypantz. He recently had his Fortizar dumpstered by a 150 man fleet purely because it belongs to this player. He's a well known shitler amongst wormholers and has invoked the ire of multiple huge groups. Chesterfield is incompetent as a player and actually needs his director's assistance to afford most of what he's upto. Bewalk / Skytom / Minilee is the finance guy inside The Golden Horde. and not unwilling to drop 7b capitals in a C2.
People hate him because he keeps talking trash when he's reduced from being semi-relevant to completely irrelevant within the matter of months. |
Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2016.06.06 17:53:44 -
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IamA WreckingBall wrote:Hi, So based on the attitude, writing style and the sizes of groups that the OP tries to hit, it is extremely likely that the OP's main is Chesterfield Fancypantz. http://evewho.com/pilot/Chesterfield+Fancypantz. He recently had his Fortizar dumpstered by a 150 man fleet purely because it belongs to this player. He's a well known shitler amongst wormholers and has invoked the ire of multiple huge groups. Chesterfield is incompetent as a player and actually needs his director's assistance to afford most of what he's upto. Bewalk / Skytom / Minilee is the finance guy inside The Golden Horde. and not unwilling to drop 7b capitals in a C2. People hate him because he keeps talking trash when he's reduced from being semi-relevant to completely irrelevant within the matter of months. He rolls wormholes with content away in yachts and uses neutral alts to "preserve his reputation as PVPer" while rolling connections. One of the reasons for his decline is that he is utterly inept at recognising organisational aspects, but while others try to step up he ends up alienating them with his toxic attitude, self-centered mindset and delusion of grandeur. I recommend that mercenary groups aren't going to take this contract based on the low reliability of Chester and the general dislike of him as a player in w-space.
Um.. I have no idea who this pilot is, he certainly sounds like aids.
Wow that eve who lol
I have my own reasons to have this target evicted, I'm a nullsec pilot not a wormhole pilot. |
notanalt69
crazy space hunter
0
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Posted - 2016.06.06 18:25:55 -
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AND IM NOTANALT... |
FortizarExplosionTears
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.06.06 18:39:23 -
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Even when called out he still hides and denies it. Chester tears taste the best due to their high salt content.
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Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2016.06.06 18:49:23 -
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FortizarExplosionTears wrote:Even when called out he still hides and denies it. Chester tears taste the best due to their high salt content.
Yeah, I dont have a clue who this pilot is.
This thread is currently getting brigaded and I already have several interested merc parties. I'm just going to take it to evemail now.
Not going to waste my valuable time arguing on eve forums. |
FortizarExplosionTears
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.06.06 18:51:50 -
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Wonderful then, you will be seeing us all again soon |
ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
387
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Posted - 2016.06.06 18:55:44 -
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Locked at topic Owners request.
~ISD Buldath
Commander
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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