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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.01 19:29:15 -
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Anataine Deva wrote:Dear Ms Kim, I really wish we will meet each other one day in person, so I can do with you what some Gallente already should have done with you. Giving you a hug, a smile and then leaving you there in peace. Diana Kim wrote:But lets look what we already know about gallente. They are ruthless in their inhumane tactics and they are able to genocide people, even disregarding losses of their own kin. .... We must do what we have to do. Remove Gallente. It's sad to guess the shadows that darken your heart. To see your way of spreading hate, always looking for innocent Caldari to draw them with you down on your dark path. I can't say what really happened 200 or even 7 years ago. I wasn't there and I don't care. "The first casualty of War is Truth." You are fighting right now a war what doesn't make your accusations reliable. As a human I know that condemning children for the actions of their ancestors is wrong. Condemning a nation because of the actions of individuals is wrong. As a Gallente I like the Caldari, live with that.
Your approach works better, but mine is more fun.
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.01 19:34:55 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Pilots;
You'll notice I use the term 'accept,' rather than 'agree.' One can accept a thing without agreeing with it. As for dissent, well, that's a discussion for another day, as social mores will vary from corporation to corporation.
As for acceptance, let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups. You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur? I will engage Templis Dragonaurs vessel only if I will receive direct order from a fleet commander or superior Protectorate or Navy officer to commence the attack. And of course, in that case only after they finish their job.
Shockingly barbaric and inhuman.
I've teased you, messed with your head, toyed with you a bit, but I've never actually hated you.
I think I'm starting to change my mind.
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.06.02 03:23:56 -
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Anataine Deva wrote:Jason Galente wrote:Your approach works better, but mine is more fun.
There is no place for toying around when innocent lives are at risk. I noticed the desperate attempts of Miss Kim, to provoke Gallenteans for a reaction which may prove her ridiculous theories right. Fortunately without much success. Maybe I should go now, watch a holo reel and have some fun the gallentean way. One person pillow fight in my captains quartier! - Take that Miss Kim!
You'd make an excellent Hordeling.
Our home is called the Pillow Fortizar.
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.02 23:49:18 -
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Karina Ivanovich wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:You gallenteans WILL pay for what you have done and for what you are doing. I'll give you 100 ISK. Will that be enough? You people like to hold yourself high and mighty, and decry things like bloodshed. And at the same time you intentionally antagonize someone seeking closure. Yes Kim is volatile and she is belligerent to no end. She is also highly annoying and disruptive. But have you ever taken into consideration that she might just have a point?
She has only a point about the federal government, not the Gallentean people.
Most Gallenteans are freedom-loving, peaceful people. The government currently doesn't reflect that and hasn't for some time. Just as Tibus Heth didn't represent most Caldari in the direction he took their government.
This is why I am an enemy of all of the empires. They are corrupt, and it's long past time to clean house and start anew.
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.03 15:31:03 -
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Your hypothesis seems to be that he feigned a love of peace for his entire post-war life (over a century), built up a false reputation amongst hundreds of highly intelligent people within all major empires as a peace loving philanthropist, all to kill any chance of ending the very conflicts that took the lives of those he served alongside, and kill the only people within both governments willing to work out that peace in the process. Seems a bit dubious to me, and it seems much more likely to see a money trail starting to form at the opportunity presented at that conference to kill any idea of peace for at least a decade, a very good incentive for the military industrial complex to step in. I don't know who specifically piloted that Nyx and who, if anyone, organized it. But I maintain my skepticism that Noir had the capacity to do such a thing.
If your theory is correct, Alexander Noir is not only the most brilliant man to have ever lived to have been able to accomplish a century of scheming and planning to have that opportunity, but he is also the most manipulative man to have ever lived for all of that to have been a ploy, for him to have built his entire career on a disposition that was actually the opposite of his own.
I find that very hard to believe and I tend to be a good judge of people.
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.03 15:59:07 -
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Natheniel wrote:I am not saying he faked all of that. I am saying that atrocity can bury itself deep in our souls. We can be the most pure of person and action, but then at a critical moment, the darkness within can spring out and cause us to act out that trauma in the worst of ways. I am saying that while he may be a great man, he could also have been a very troubled man, one that even he himself never realized.
But all testimony to his character indicates the war mellowed him out and made him hate war and especially the racial feud with the Caldari. In order to believe that his final words were indicative of his genuine motivations, he would've had to have made a deliberate effort to hide his true feelings and intentions for over a century. I think there would be some evidence of that, some crack in the armor, if that were the case, over such a long period of time.
I find it hard to believe that one flies a Nyx into a station on a whim of passion. Somebody that impulsive would not be likely to rise to the station in life that Noir did.
Edit: I just realized that it sounds like I made a really awful pun there. Wasn't intended.
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.03 22:28:29 -
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Neph wrote:Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:Jason Galente wrote:Natheniel wrote:I am not saying he faked all of that. I am saying that atrocity can bury itself deep in our souls. We can be the most pure of person and action, but then at a critical moment, the darkness within can spring out and cause us to act out that trauma in the worst of ways. I am saying that while he may be a great man, he could also have been a very troubled man, one that even he himself never realized. But all testimony to his character indicates the war mellowed him out and made him hate war and especially the racial feud with the Caldari. In order to believe that his final words were indicative of his genuine motivations, he would've had to have made a deliberate effort to hide his true feelings and intentions for over a century. I think there would be some evidence of that, some crack in the armor, if that were the case, over such a long period of time. I find it hard to believe that one flies a Nyx into a station on a whim of passion. Somebody that impulsive would not be likely to rise to the station in life that Noir did. Edit: I just realized that it sounds like I made a really awful pun there. Wasn't intended. Assuming Noir's post war career wasn't a lie is it possible that either someone clonejacked him or he was being controlled in some other fashion? Some sort of tech derived from TCMC's or Sansha style cyber say? Granted to do this you would need to gain access to him at the right moment. Okaam's razor says that's implausible.
And thus the fatal flaw of Occam's Razor. It focuses only on the number of assumptions and not the level of absurdity of each assumption.
The absurdity of a claim is a total sum. One bizarre assumption taints a theory more than a few tiny ones.
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.06.04 04:54:21 -
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Neph wrote:
Also, don't Gallentize the spelling of Okaam's name.
I can't spell something using my own language?
What about Ockham, the original localized spelling? Is that not acceptable? Only the Caldari spelling is?
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.06 18:17:02 -
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Diana Kim wrote:their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall.
I read this almost in disbelief at the level of irony here, but then I remembered one of my favorite quotes, from an ancient Gallentean statesman.
GÇ£Begin each day by telling yourself: Today I shall be meeting with interference, ingratitude, insolence, disloyalty, ill-will, and selfishness GÇô all of them due to the offendersGÇÖ ignorance of what is good or evil. But for my part I have long perceived the nature of good and its nobility, the nature of evil and its meanness, and also the nature of the culprit himself, who is my brother (not in the physical sense, but as a fellow creature similarly endowed with reason and a share of the divine); therefore none of those things can injure me, for nobody can implicate me in what is degrading. Neither can I be angry with my brother or fall foul of him; for he and I were born to work together, like a manGÇÖs two hands, feet or eyelids, or the upper and lower rows of his teeth. To obstruct each other is against NatureGÇÖs law GÇô and what is irritation or aversion but a form of obstruction.GÇ¥
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.08 02:49:47 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Terrorists identify themselves as terrorists when asked? Of course.
Oh honey no.
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.08 13:18:50 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Karina Ivanovich wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Karina Ivanovich wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Doesn't revealing that your a terrorist kinda stop you from performing terrorist acts? Giving up the element of surprise and such? Not to mention if your fighting for a cause your not a terrorist your a soldier. (Not in the sense your obviously used to with training and ranks I mean more along the lines of fighting for a cause as opposed to fighting for..... Ugh.... Chaos) What element of surprise? The only terrorists that have ever hurt my people on a large scale were wearing uniforms. Gallente Naval Uniforms to be specific. Oh it's quite simple, if your a terrorist and identify yourself as being an enemy to the people your attacking beforehand how is it supposed to be a terrorist action? That would just be an assault. Element of surprise is kinda key. Haven't you noticed after most terrorist attacks the aggressor makes a statement claiming responsibility after the attack? If its clear who attacked then how is it terrorism? The reasoning was well known when the drop ships landed. The gallantes who attacked your people weren't terrorists, they were soldiers fighting a war. They made their point clear right from the get go. Your people saw them and knew to run, those who died, well... The Amarr in a church that was randomly firebombed didn't see it coming. That was a terrorist action. Whether or not I agree with it being right or not is irrelevant but in every sense of the word THAT is terrorism. Soldiers don't intentionally kill civilians Deitra. That is what terrorists do. Soldiers do kill civilians if they are ordered to. As for why, either it's bad intel or command knows something and aren't telling. Does not make it any less excusable.
Once you deliberately butcher civilians, you're a terrorist. Terrorism is a tricky word to define, but I think the most fair, uncolored definition would be "the use of violence and intimidation against civilians in the pursuit of political aims." Soldiers are promoting their nation-state, which is a political aim. They are not definitionally exempt from being terrorists.
Diana actually seems to be sort of right on this one. The line between terrorist and freedom fighter is very thin. Two different people can look at the same act of terror/liberation, one can say "That is a terrorist" the other can say "That is a freedom fighter", and it'd be hard to unambiguously tell who is more accurate. I think the only fair way of distinguishing a terrorist from a freedom fighter is the method. Everyone thinks they're fighting for freedom, so the goal isn't enough. You need to deliberately avoid civilian casualties and do your best to promote the general welfare of the population during the struggle if you want to be known as a freedom fighter.
However, Diana is definitely still naive to think the Dragonaurs would see themselves as terrorists, it's not how the human mind works. The Dragonaurs probably see themselves as cultural preservers or even freedom fighters. I very highly doubt they would view themselves as terrorists even if they are/were. It's not in our nature, save psychopaths and sociopaths, to want to be a terrorist, so our minds would try to rationalize our actions if we were. There's a reason "the greater good" is such an old cliche. It's a comforting lie that tyrants tell themselves to justify their actions.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.06.08 15:37:47 -
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Damnit, she went potato again.
The fleeting moments of reason we manage to extract from her from time to time are nice, though.
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.06.10 16:18:17 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it.
The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.
We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests? Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities?
S A V A G E A V A G E
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:02:57 -
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Diana Kim wrote: I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away.
If that's the case, how would we be so good at oppressing you?
You can't have it both ways. Either we're a monolithic superpower oppressing your people, or we can't do anything but run away.
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.13 15:43:33 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Jason Galente wrote:Diana Kim wrote: I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away.
If that's the case, how would we be so good at oppressing you? You can't have it both ways. Either we're a monolithic superpower oppressing your people, or we can't do anything but run away. You are only trying to oppress us.
So "we" managed to take, occupy and hold Caldari Prime whilst also running away?
Goddamn, we're really effective at trying. Just imagine what it would look like if we tried a little harder.
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.13 18:12:22 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Jason Galente wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Jason Galente wrote:Diana Kim wrote: I have noticed similar behavior in warzone. All the gallente can do is run away.
If that's the case, how would we be so good at oppressing you? You can't have it both ways. Either we're a monolithic superpower oppressing your people, or we can't do anything but run away. You are only trying to oppress us. So "we" managed to take, occupy and hold Caldari Prime whilst also running away? Goddamn, we're really effective at trying. Just imagine what it would look like if we tried a little harder. You would die.
There is no need to be upset.
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.24 20:29:55 -
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Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but, surely you can respect our right to conduct ourselves as we see fit in our own territory? To do otherwise would be more than a little hypocritical, no?
Diana Kim is definitely more than a little hypocritical.
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.25 15:58:06 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Pilots;
As for acceptance, let me put forward a situation, Kim. The CEP has declared the Templis Dragonaur to be a terrorist group. The Caldari Navy has a standing order to engage terrorist groups.You encounter a Templis Dragonaur attacking a defenseless Gallente civilian convoy, and are the only force able to come to the aid of the civilians. Do you engage the Templis Dragonaur? I will engage Templis Dragonaurs vessel only if I will receive direct order from a fleet commander or superior Protectorate or Navy officer to commence the attack. However, the cituation that I will find myself in the area of operation of TD by accident is highly unlikely, and there's another option - that I was sent there to intercept a group. In that case I will engage TD vessels as well, but on condition that the targets will be specified explicitly (again, by a superior officer who will send me into the area), i.e. will be named as Templis Dragonaurs vessels, and not 'terrorist' or something like that. And of course, in that case only after they finish their job.
Daily reminder that this was a thing Diana Kim said.
Diana, this is what you don't understand. Nobody lies about you because nobody needs to lie about you. You say these sort of things open-ended in highly public places. We all know what you are like. You're convincing nobody, you are the boy who cried wolf and you always will be.
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