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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2654
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Posted - 2016.06.08 07:29:48 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Doesn't revealing that your a terrorist kinda stop you from performing terrorist acts? Giving up the element of surprise and such? Not to mention if your fighting for a cause your not a terrorist your a soldier. (Not in the sense your obviously used to with training and ranks I mean more along the lines of fighting for a cause as opposed to fighting for..... Ugh.... Chaos) First, terrorist is a soldier, and second, Ms. Vess, I am afraid you are mistaken a terrorist with a saboteur or diversant. It is a job of a diversant to have an element of surprise, to destroy a target without being noticed. Terrorist's job is to inflict fear and panic with their actions. Terrorists destroy targets not by military value, but by public value. Their actions are targeted to cause public resonance instead of supporting military advances. I think closest thing you can think are freedom fighters with their infamous motto "Fear the tribes". This is a typical terrorist approach, and it is not surprising taking into account that both freedom fighters and terrorists are unprofessional military troops.
And third, even more professional soldier than a terrorist won't tell you his occupation if they are hostile to you. On the other hand, if terrorists are from the same camp of yours, and especially if you outrank them, of course they will tell you their occupation. It's just like asking a capsuleer if he is a pilot.
Caldari State doesn't though employ terrorist squads and we don't use terror doctrine in military operations (unlike Minmatars with their "Fear the Tribes" thing), because it is unprofessional, it is waste of resources, and terror is considered a poor man's war. Returning to Templis Dragonaurs, they aren't part of State military forces, so they pretty much can be terrorists by themselves since they don't have to follow our doctrines.
But because they are still our people and fight for our State, a person like Mr. Tuulinen could indeed simply asked them if they are terrorists or not to recieve plain answer.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1220
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Posted - 2016.06.08 12:46:58 -
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I got to agree with Elmund on this one, and Diana those are actually really good points I didn't think of, my bad. |
Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
492
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Posted - 2016.06.08 13:18:50 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Karina Ivanovich wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Karina Ivanovich wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Doesn't revealing that your a terrorist kinda stop you from performing terrorist acts? Giving up the element of surprise and such? Not to mention if your fighting for a cause your not a terrorist your a soldier. (Not in the sense your obviously used to with training and ranks I mean more along the lines of fighting for a cause as opposed to fighting for..... Ugh.... Chaos) What element of surprise? The only terrorists that have ever hurt my people on a large scale were wearing uniforms. Gallente Naval Uniforms to be specific. Oh it's quite simple, if your a terrorist and identify yourself as being an enemy to the people your attacking beforehand how is it supposed to be a terrorist action? That would just be an assault. Element of surprise is kinda key. Haven't you noticed after most terrorist attacks the aggressor makes a statement claiming responsibility after the attack? If its clear who attacked then how is it terrorism? The reasoning was well known when the drop ships landed. The gallantes who attacked your people weren't terrorists, they were soldiers fighting a war. They made their point clear right from the get go. Your people saw them and knew to run, those who died, well... The Amarr in a church that was randomly firebombed didn't see it coming. That was a terrorist action. Whether or not I agree with it being right or not is irrelevant but in every sense of the word THAT is terrorism. Soldiers don't intentionally kill civilians Deitra. That is what terrorists do. Soldiers do kill civilians if they are ordered to. As for why, either it's bad intel or command knows something and aren't telling. Does not make it any less excusable.
Once you deliberately butcher civilians, you're a terrorist. Terrorism is a tricky word to define, but I think the most fair, uncolored definition would be "the use of violence and intimidation against civilians in the pursuit of political aims." Soldiers are promoting their nation-state, which is a political aim. They are not definitionally exempt from being terrorists.
Diana actually seems to be sort of right on this one. The line between terrorist and freedom fighter is very thin. Two different people can look at the same act of terror/liberation, one can say "That is a terrorist" the other can say "That is a freedom fighter", and it'd be hard to unambiguously tell who is more accurate. I think the only fair way of distinguishing a terrorist from a freedom fighter is the method. Everyone thinks they're fighting for freedom, so the goal isn't enough. You need to deliberately avoid civilian casualties and do your best to promote the general welfare of the population during the struggle if you want to be known as a freedom fighter.
However, Diana is definitely still naive to think the Dragonaurs would see themselves as terrorists, it's not how the human mind works. The Dragonaurs probably see themselves as cultural preservers or even freedom fighters. I very highly doubt they would view themselves as terrorists even if they are/were. It's not in our nature, save psychopaths and sociopaths, to want to be a terrorist, so our minds would try to rationalize our actions if we were. There's a reason "the greater good" is such an old cliche. It's a comforting lie that tyrants tell themselves to justify their actions.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
1889
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Posted - 2016.06.08 13:51:05 -
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It would also matter which side of the fight you're on as to who uses what label for you.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2657
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Posted - 2016.06.08 14:55:16 -
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Terrorist isn't a label, it is occupation.
Only ignorants and idiots use it as insult or label.
Shaming peoples for being a terrorist is same as shaming cooks.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
1892
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Posted - 2016.06.08 14:56:09 -
[186] - Quote
How do you function?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Karina Ivanovich
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
128
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Posted - 2016.06.08 15:12:14 -
[187] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Terrorist isn't a label, it is occupation.
Only ignorants and idiots use it as insult or label.
Shaming peoples for being a terrorist is same as shaming cooks.
Wat?
Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
494
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Posted - 2016.06.08 15:37:47 -
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Damnit, she went potato again.
The fleeting moments of reason we manage to extract from her from time to time are nice, though.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2658
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Posted - 2016.06.08 16:52:56 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:How do you function? Shall I send you an anatomy book?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
1894
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Posted - 2016.06.08 18:15:53 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:How do you function? Shall I send you an anatomy book? A psychology book would be of more use here. But even then, a diagnosis of your mental illness would still be elusive.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8403
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Posted - 2016.06.08 18:31:49 -
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It really wouldn't be elusive, Ms. Osyn.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2659
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Posted - 2016.06.08 20:00:18 -
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I would like to remind everyone that Makoto Priano is a dishonorable liar and coward.
Makoto Priano is well known for lying about me, and right now she does the same - spreads baseless insults. Obviously, this vile creature has no access to my medical files. But since she is too coward to stand for her rotten words, I suggest everyone to simply discard what she tells.
And correct answer to Ms. Osyn question should be: healthy, just as was stated by last certified State psychiatrician who conducted thorough psychological examination.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
1894
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Posted - 2016.06.08 20:20:54 -
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Combine that with her extra chromosome and you may be on to something...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Slayer Liberator
The Scope Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2016.06.09 22:34:53 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:How do you function? that's what I wanted to know |
Slayer Liberator
The Scope Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2016.06.09 22:39:55 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I would like to remind everyone that Makoto Priano is a dishonorable liar and coward. Makoto Priano is well known for lying about me, and right now she does the same - spreads baseless insults. Obviously, this vile creature has no access to my medical files. But since she is too coward to stand for her rotten words, I suggest everyone to simply discard what she tells. And correct answer to Ms. Osyn question should be: healthy, just as was stated by last certified State psychiatrician who conducted thorough psychological examination. If they called you healthy then they need their certification revoked. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2660
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Posted - 2016.06.10 00:23:07 -
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And this is, dear readers, a typical example of a brainwashed gallentean. You can see now yourself, that polite reasonable conversations and negotiations with them are impossible.
The only way to deal with them is not through talks. Just look at this 'Slayer Liberator's face next time you want to talk with gallente. The only way to deal with them is by force. They won't understand words anyway.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Black Parable
1921
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Posted - 2016.06.10 05:14:17 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it.
The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.
We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear....
What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests?
Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities?
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Karina Ivanovich
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
139
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Posted - 2016.06.10 05:39:39 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it.
The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.
We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests? Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities?
I support the downfall of the Gallente Federation's Government just as much as any Caldari Officer should. However, I will not fly with someone that is in such obvious need of loving treatment.
I respect you Kim. I even like you most of the time. But please, get some help, there are some of us that care about you as an individual. We can see that there is deep emotional trauma lurking below your words. There are better ways to solve these things than the extermination of every Gallente citizen you find.
I hope you find inner peace, so that you may wage war with a clear heart.
Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
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Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
42
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Posted - 2016.06.10 06:07:40 -
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If you must exterminate us be quick about it. Your talk of honor makes my ears bleed.
Tristan |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1179
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Posted - 2016.06.10 06:40:35 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it.
The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.
We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests? Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities?
Ms. Osyn is being sarcastic.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
522
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Posted - 2016.06.10 16:18:17 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it.
The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.
We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests? Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities?
S A V A G E A V A G E
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
1905
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Posted - 2016.06.10 16:39:13 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it.
The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.
We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear.... What fear? That in seven years she has lacked the qualities of leadership, organizational ability, and fleet command to create a force able to at the very least contest FDU strongholds such as Nisuwa or Nennamaila which is minor compared to destroying the entire Federation as their rhetoric suggests? Or do you fear someone who, as evidenced in this thread, is so lacking in charisma and eloquence they are incapable of convincing anyone worth a damn of their cause that they are reduced to making constant non-specific threats they cannot possibly carry through with in order to deflect attention away from their own inconsequential capabilities? Ms. Osyn is being sarcastic. This.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Slayer Liberator
The Scope Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2016.06.10 19:29:25 -
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Diana Kim wrote:And this is, dear readers, a typical example of a brainwashed gallentean. You can see now yourself, that polite reasonable conversations and negotiations with them are impossible.
The only way to deal with them is not through talks. Just look at this 'Slayer Liberator's face next time you want to talk with gallente. The only way to deal with them is by force. They won't understand words anyway. I'm not gonna bother with an argument when it is so clear that I can't change your opinion so I am resorting to provoking responses that show your immeasurable delusion and stupidity so thanks for the help |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1448
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Posted - 2016.06.10 19:42:40 -
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The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was necessary, to allow the construction of Nouvelle Nouvelle Rouvenor, to commemorate the destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor, and the symbolic metaphorisms of said destruction and reconstruction.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2660
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Posted - 2016.06.11 02:39:10 -
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Slayer Liberator wrote:Diana Kim wrote:And this is, dear readers, a typical example of a brainwashed gallentean. You can see now yourself, that polite reasonable conversations and negotiations with them are impossible.
The only way to deal with them is not through talks. Just look at this 'Slayer Liberator's face next time you want to talk with gallente. The only way to deal with them is by force. They won't understand words anyway. I'm not gonna bother with an argument when it is so clear that I can't change your opinion so I am resorting to provoking responses that show your immeasurable delusion and stupidity so thanks for the help Speaking about immeasurable delusion and stupidity: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6519166#post6519166
Slayer Liberator wrote: I only believe in freedom for all races (yes Caldari too) and my hatred of the draganurs comes from the fact that they did start the war and all I want is peace nothing more.
"Dragonurs" .... that's my dear an iyammarrok-grade stupidity.
And immeasurable delusion here we can see as well, with claim that 'dragonurs start the war'.
That delusion is probably based on his ignorance about history and the events happened back then. Gallente Federation tried to put back Caldari into Federation after we have seceded. A typical brainwashed gallente replaces facts that he is ignorant about with his mental directive that federation can't do anything wrong.
People like him could even deny existence of Duvalier, gallentean ultra-nationalists and prison camps in Black Rise, where Caldari prisoners of war are tortured by inhuman methods.
Does anyone think that you could negotiate with this gallentean?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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iyammarrok
Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron
426
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Posted - 2016.06.11 09:53:50 -
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if you really must try to insult me Diana, do so with correct grammar.
Claiming that someone is stupid for an obvious typo, while failing so completely to write correctly, (the OP proves you are capable) is amusing.
Also, your distorted view of history needs some work.
As others have said though, you are worth no more than the biomass you are formed from. Return to dust.
-Tertianus Rethelior.
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2660
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Posted - 2016.06.11 10:12:08 -
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iyammarrok wrote: As others have said though, you are worth no more than the biomass you are formed from. Return to dust.
And this is a typical example of what gallente consider 'argument'.
I don't know how you, readers, but I prefer to talk with such... species... by using my guns instead of words. That's the only language they will understand.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
20
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Posted - 2016.06.11 16:44:01 -
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Diana Kim wrote:iyammarrok wrote: As others have said though, you are worth no more than the biomass you are formed from. Return to dust.
And this is a typical example of what gallente consider 'argument'. I don't know how you, readers, but I prefer to talk with such... species... by using my guns instead of words. That's the only language they will understand. I have had an easier time solo killing Drifter battleships in a Velator than getting anything through your immeasurably thick skull so I guess I'll try blasters next |
iyammarrok
Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron
426
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Posted - 2016.06.11 19:50:17 -
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Diana Kim wrote:iyammarrok wrote: As others have said though, you are worth no more than the biomass you are formed from. Return to dust.
And this is a typical example of what gallente consider 'argument'. I don't know how you, readers, but I prefer to talk with such... species... by using my guns instead of words. That's the only language they will understand.
Firstly, your terminology is incorrect.
it's 'Intaki' and 'Dismissal'
Not 'Gallente' and 'Argument'
Now, go pray in your happy little heth shrine like the terrorist sympathiser you have openly admitted being.
-Tertianus Rethelior
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2660
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Posted - 2016.06.11 20:24:36 -
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iyammarrok wrote: like the terrorist sympathiser you have openly admitted being.
Go back to your kindergarten with your pseudo-moralism idiocy.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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