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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.03 09:41:37 -
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Tierce Japhrimel Iblis wrote:With finding out there's been some work on the game client's use of DX11 not being the buggy hot mess I left it for, I'll give it another try and see if it's more stable. If not, I'll get the bug report in and post it's numbers here.
However, I flat out refuse to switch to Windows 10. Windows 7 is doing just fine for me and doesn't behave like a bastard child of malware and bloatware!
M$ really blew the rollout of 10. I can only compare the rage against ME (nightmare for MMOs!) to this failure of hyping and PR attached to 10.
Here's hoping with fingers crossed DX11 isn't the half whited out screen/socket closed headache it was last time I used it for Eve.
We appreciate you giving DX11 another go, i'm sure you'll have a much smoother experience. Just remember to update your GPU drivers :)
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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Emiko P'eng
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Posted - 2016.06.03 09:58:37 -
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Ionized First Strike wrote:I play the game with anywhere between 6 and 15 accounts logged in at any time. When launched using DX11 I get a "socket closed" error on multiple accounts within 2-3 hours, sometimes sooner. When launched using DX9 I rarely get "socket closed". Humm! That explains a lot. I was assuming that all the "Socket Closed" errors I have recently were the result of changing Internet Providers.
But thinking about it, the problem ties in better to my change over to DX11 than my swapping ISP.
Hehe!
Never thought disconnecting problems could be tied to graphics problems.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2016.06.03 12:49:37 -
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I eagerly await a post from CCP Falcon telling us that the removal of DX 9 has the support of 110.5% of the player base.
He knows you know :)
This is not a signature.
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Drabbin Mishi
Excognative Ignorance Short Bus Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2016.06.03 13:55:09 -
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Azahar Ortenegro wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The important word is 'can'. Not 'have to' That's beside the point. If you launch two accounts of EVE with the new launcher, they're launched with the launcher's ID, and so cannot be separated in the taskbar. It's a loss of functionnality compared to the 'old' launcher, a functionnality that I need. You may not care about having an ordered taskbar, I do.
Try this: http://rammichael.com/7-taskbar-tweaker |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
95
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Posted - 2016.06.03 17:03:14 -
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I'm supposed to install an explorer injector to get a functionnality that was removed from the launcher by CCP, one that could be added easily? I used one of those when I was on XP, back in 2002-2007, but we're in 2016 now. |
Atum
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
130
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Posted - 2016.06.03 19:09:03 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I eagerly await a post from CCP Falcon telling us that the removal of DX 9 has the support of 110.5% of the player base.
He knows you know :) Are you suggesting CCP Falcon is running an FDIV-afflicted i586? |
Aischa Montagne
Blut-Klauen-Clan
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Posted - 2016.06.03 21:16:23 -
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OOC:
I realy do not understand the Linux-eve faction. If you would realy care about wine you should have recognized that Direct11 support is comming or already availible with wine with the start of the year.
https://www.codeweavers.com/about/blogs/caron/2015/12/10/directx-11-really-james-didnt-lie
And if not, you could support the wine developers with buying one time subscription for crossover and say thank you that you do not have to use Windows...
yeez people. Also Mac Users I think will be able to move to directX11 when CCP phases out somewhere in the future.
So win-win and all can be happy. (Well almost all. I do not get the Windows people at all. They hate it as much as they use it. What a sadistic attitude) |
Norahb
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.04 01:28:31 -
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Linux user here and loving it so much that I am sticking with it. Windows 10 sucks so bad that I know a lot of people moving to linux for the first time. I've made the decision that any game that can't be played on Linux isn't worth playing.
I also recall hearing or reading that something like 25% of Eve players show up as being on window XP and that a large portion of them were actually Linux users as wine shows up as win XP from what I recall. If you add that to all the Apple users I think that comes up to a pretty healthy percentage of your player base.
Windows is dying if you guys don't have plans to get away from Direct X you risk going down with them. Just look at the numbers and you'll finds the majority of devices connect to the internet are not using a windows OS.
So if you guys do plan on locking out a huge portion of your player base you might want to announce that you will refund anyone's money that they have left in game time if you make the game unplayable or some of us will just cancel subs to avoid getting locked out of playing on paid accounts. |
Atum
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2016.06.04 03:15:19 -
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Norahb wrote:Windows is dying if you guys don't have plans to get away from Direct X you risk going down with them. Just look at the numbers and you'll finds the majority of devices connect to the internet are not using a windows OS. Has Netcraft confirmed that? 'Cause, y'know, they've said BSD has been dying for something like 20 years now. As for "the majority of devices," well, I don't think anybody's going to attempt to FC from their phone. Not even DBRB. |
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen
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Posted - 2016.06.04 10:09:50 -
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Quote:we will be removing clouds from the DirectX 9 client in an upcoming release. Yay, I'm definitely going back to DX9 then so I can get a decent framerate while doing PvE. |
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Madeowyn
Pasukan Khas Udara
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Posted - 2016.06.04 11:32:32 -
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I'd hate this if I didn't just buy a new PC. It was really nice in EVE that you could play it on an old computer. I could play it on my laptop. Even if you could play on the newer DirectX, the performance could be worse. Not everyone has the money to buy a new PC. |
Helico Tuure
Obsidian Coalition
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Posted - 2016.06.04 16:23:10 -
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Linux player here too, DX9 is required for play and I have zero plans to go out and buy a copy of Windows just to play EvE, please think carefully before you alienate a small but passionate group of your subscribers (not to mention everyone else that is chiming in that is telling you DX11 does not work well). |
HellGate fr
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Posted - 2016.06.04 19:54:25 -
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I generally play with at least 16 accs running with 1024*768 windows full low details, idc about dx11 unless it makes the whole thing run faster (does it though ?) ...
The new launcher is very good though, except when I go play on sisi and it clears all my launcher settings (accounts list) for TQ. |
Noah Marquetti
Genesis Resource Acquisitions Corporation
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Posted - 2016.06.04 21:19:23 -
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Bring forth OpenGL! |
Primary Suspect
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.05 02:36:29 -
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When money talks bullshit walks i guess. |
Serg Sinist
Without
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Posted - 2016.06.05 06:43:09 -
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Write engine on OpenGL. It's good alternative from DX9. |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.05 08:46:01 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Atum wrote:No bigger than the jump from the original graphics engine to Trinity2... ohh do I remember that, and my friends going "HOLY $#!7!!!" when I showed them that trailer. Maybe something to shoot for in 2020, when DX11 just doesn't look so great anymore? ;) Well in many cases it would be a bigger jump, especially with DX12 where you certainly get more control over your output but nothing comes for free. You need to implement and manage everything your self which has its benefits but also requires a lot of investment in resources and effort. However, as we've done in the past and will continue to do, we will keep EVE looking good so we'll inevitably upgrade away from DX11. Maybe 2020, who knows ;)
Would be good to upgrade to vulkan as directx12 is locked into windows and all the issues win10 brings along. Since you are rewriting a large part of the code you might as well go with an API that works everywhere.
PS: For people that want mumble on directx11 it works with the latest snapshots. You just have to enable show FPS (or similar thing) that keeps the overlay active at all times. If you don't there is a massive memory leak that is cleared every time the overlay is triggered so depending on how chatty the channel you are in you will be fine or constantly crashing. |
Yongtau Naskingar
Yongtau Naskingar Corporation
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Posted - 2016.06.05 08:49:56 -
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dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay. |
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2016.06.05 11:55:07 -
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I have seen https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/directx-9-phase-out/?_ga=1.54634860.698391855.1463310971 and I dont get anywhere at EvE Launcher settings that kind of options that picture shows, just at "Game"-tab under DirectX big blue "INFO" picure and "Your computer only supports DirectX 9", and there is no other options I could change.
Problem is, DirectX Diagnostic Tool shows my old laptop with Win 7 (all info seemed correct) is indeed DirectX 11...
So, think you need to advice me a bit here. |
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen
150
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Posted - 2016.06.05 12:46:46 -
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Yongtau Naskingar wrote:dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay.
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Both of you have laptops, which often have interesting power saving features. Among those features, they often try to use the integrated graphics over the dedicated GPU. The desktop and launcher are probably running on the integrated GPU and the launcher is checking the capabilities of that, even though the game would run on the dedicated GPU.
I'm not sure how to fix the problem, but first make sure your computers are set to the max performance power plans. If that's not the issue, look around for a setting in some Nvidia/AMD software that forces it to always use the dedicated GPU.
The issue is also probably worthy of a bug report, if the launcher is really getting the wrong info. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:42:55 -
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Miss 'Assassination' Cayman wrote:Quote:we will be removing clouds from the DirectX 9 client in an upcoming release. Yay, I'm definitely going back to DX9 then so I can get a decent framerate while doing PvE.
No need, the reason we have to remove clouds from DX9 is so we can make use of a faster DX11 only rendering approach. Clouds will no longer cause a significant performance drop, it is these types of situations that make us want to push towards dropping DX9 as soon as possible. However, it wonGÇÖt be any time soon, we arenGÇÖt going to drop DX9 tomorrow but we want the player base informed and reminded that it will inevitably happen and we want and need to hear of any remaining DX11 issues so we can address then in the meantime.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:44:22 -
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HellGate fr wrote:I generally play with at least 16 accs running with 1024*768 windows full low details, idc about dx11 unless it makes the whole thing run faster (does it though ?) ...
The new launcher is very good though, except when I go play on sisi and it clears all my launcher settings (accounts list) for TQ.
DirectX 11 offers much better memory management and frame rates than that of DX9. You should try DX11 with all of your accounts, i'd be suprised if you got worse performance.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:47:05 -
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Primary Suspect wrote:When money talks bullshit walks i guess.
I dont quite get your sentiment, except that we will save development resources by being forced to choose less efficient options for the graphic features we impliment. We can then spend our time investigating and implimenting better and more efficient visuals.
For example the clouds, they are slow... we know this and we dont like it! We have an option to make them run faster but it's a DX11 only feature. That is why we're removing them from DX9 and converting them over to the next system for DX11.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:48:08 -
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Yongtau Naskingar wrote:dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay.
That is odd, what OS and GPU do you have?
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.05 13:49:45 -
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0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
I'll ask our launcher developers to take a look at this thread, they might want to contact you to get more info on this. Thanks for letting us know!
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2016.06.05 15:45:17 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:0bama Barack Hussein wrote: I'll ask our launcher developers to take a look at this thread, they might want to contact you to get more info on this. Thanks for letting us know!
I hope those pics help Fly Dangerous +û/ |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2016.06.05 17:20:18 -
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0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
This matter wasn't explained in the dev blog. DirectX Diagnostic Tool only shows latest Direct X version installed in the system (DX 11 in your case). It doesn't mean that your VIDEO CARD supports that DirectX version. For example, your Acer Extensa 5630 laptop probably have ATi Radeon HD 3470 on board, which only supports DirectX 10 (will run only DX9 in backward compatibility mode)
In order to know for sure, you should download GPU-Z tool. It will show what exact DirectX version is supported by your video card. |
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate Together We Solo
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Posted - 2016.06.05 19:47:03 -
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"one such change will be a new cloud rendering approach which will mean we will be removing clouds from the DirectX 9 client in an upcoming release."
So while the Mac customers wait for DX11 support in Wine you're gonna start removing visuals from us, when we don't even have all of them as it now. This sounds like it's gonna be fun. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.06 00:46:16 -
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HellGate fr wrote:I generally play with at least 16 accs running with 1024*768 windows full low details, idc about dx11 unless it makes the whole thing run faster (does it though ?) ...
DX11 should offer a small performance improvement over DX9 in many cases.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.06 04:51:35 -
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DirectX 9 lets Mumble overlay work some of the time DirectX 11 breaks Mumble overlay all the time
This issue is 2 years old now. Any solutions for getting Mumble overlay to work with EVE Online, pretty much the only game that has an issue with Mumble, and has since Rubicon
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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