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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2016.06.02 00:13:17 -
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No. It wasn't. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8389
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Posted - 2016.06.02 00:17:40 -
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Well, we once again agree.
It's almost as if, once you peel back that we're on different sides of a century-long animosity, Caldari Liberalism and Gallente Whatever-you-are are actually compatible in general ideological outlook. We just disagree on governance.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
905
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Posted - 2016.06.02 00:19:21 -
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The scary thing is that the same is often true of Caldari "Patriotism" and Gallente Ultranationalism. Ah well. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8389
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Posted - 2016.06.02 00:29:02 -
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You've seen, I trust, how I spar with Kim nearly as much as I've pilloried your compatriots for draping themselves in flags? Ideological puritanism -- especially when caught up in national or racial terms -- is a bane upon productive society.
Again, despite ourselves, we agree.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8395
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Posted - 2016.06.02 03:25:49 -
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OH! I must add: the word you seek is Provism. Caldari Patriots are not much unlike yourself. Provists, however, are indeed very much like U-Nats.
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
453
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Posted - 2016.06.02 03:30:22 -
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I've said this many times, Gallenteans and Caldari are not as different as people are led to believe, and our systems of beliefs are not quite so different among the median in each society. It is only at the extremes that things become so bitter, and those extremists have been leading the Federation and State into ruin for a decade.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
921
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Posted - 2016.06.02 05:28:03 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:OH! I must add: the word you seek is Provism. Caldari Patriots are not much unlike yourself. Provists, however, are indeed very much like U-Nats.
Its a fair distinction. I put the quotation marks around "Patriotism" in an effort to limit my comparison to those who wrap their oppression of others in a patriotic mantle the way the U-Nats did. I will say that the Provists didn't come from nowhere, nor are their ilk entirely gone. |
Anataine Deva
University of Caille Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2016.06.02 06:36:24 -
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No it wasn't.
Makoto Priano wrote:It's almost as if, once you peel back that we're on different sides of a century-long animosity, Caldari Liberalism and Gallente Whatever-you-are are actually compatible in general ideological outlook. We just disagree on governance. Jason Galente wrote:I've said this many times, Gallenteans and Caldari are not as different as people are led to believe, and our systems of beliefs are not quite so different among the median in each society. It is only at the extremes that things become so bitter, and those extremists have been leading the Federation and State into ruin for a decade. F*** governance, let us be friends instead. You don't wanna miss my Pillow Fortizar ;)
Give The BIG Lottery a try! - And give me your Fedos!!!
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2647
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Posted - 2016.06.02 11:36:09 -
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But it did happen and it has shown everyone who gallente really are.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Shiela Kwor
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.06.02 11:39:39 -
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Was Kim's post, "Was the destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor necessary?" necessary?
No, but it did happen, and it has shown everybody who Diana Kim really is. Not like it came as a surprise. |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2647
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Posted - 2016.06.02 11:48:10 -
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Hello, I clean space from infestations of gallente occupants and oppressors.
Nice to meet you and have a nice jam.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Slayer Liberator
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2016.06.02 12:28:37 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Hello, I clean space from infestations of gallente occupants and oppressors.
Nice to meet you and have a nice jam. I will clean space of your genocidal "patriotism" with hot Gallente FREEDOM! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2648
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Posted - 2016.06.02 14:40:49 -
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Oh, gallentean genocidists blame others who did never commited genocide in genocide? How cute... NOT.
Also, I don't know how you imagining cleaning something with Gallentean CHAOS, maybe wiping your own *censored* with it? But as I said in another discussion, how about you meet me in space so I could laugh looking how you die like all other gallentean swines.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
1867
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Posted - 2016.06.02 15:31:01 -
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Answer to the OP: No.
Do we feel bad about it? Only until Diana Kim opens her stupid mouth and makes us regret not catching whatever Fedo ******* idiot of an ancestor capable of spawning the likes of her in the bombardment....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Sinjin Mokk
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
908
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Posted - 2016.06.02 16:25:43 -
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It was not necessary, but it was inevitable.
Small, provist and ultrapatriotic minds created the path within both sides of the conflict.
Weak people, with a modicum of of power, lead to atrocities like this. And history tends to run in circles.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Natheniel
Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel
104
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Posted - 2016.06.02 17:20:30 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Weak people, with a modicum of of power, lead to atrocities like this. And history tends to run in circles.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
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Xadiran
Moira. Villore Accords
55
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Posted - 2016.06.02 17:25:15 -
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The first 8 posts of this thread were so refreshing to see...and then it got Kim'd.
Of course it wasn't necessary. What the U-Nats did was a terrible mistake, and one that we're all still paying for.
I think a lot of us would like to see the militia abolished, proper borders re-established in Black Rise and Placid, and real trade resume between the Federation and the State.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
924
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Posted - 2016.06.02 18:36:53 -
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Honestly this is a topic I have very little interest in when it is in the context of creating controversy. I didn't really read the other one. I love history as a subject, and long conversations about what lessons are to be learned from the past are among my favorite things.
What we so often see instead is history weaponized into a rhetorical club. No nuance. No introspection. Just bile and angst. Its a shame, and worse... a waste of time. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1438
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Posted - 2016.06.02 18:48:45 -
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The bombardment of Caldari Prime was necessary, to produce the desired situation that the Jovians wished to observe.
By utilising their infiltrator agents within both governments, they created the swells of nationalistic feeling that ultimately led to the war.
Then they poured fuel onto the flames, to escalate the conflict, ultimately resulting in the bombardment of Caldari Prime, and the evacuation of the Caldari people.
The aim of this project, was to study a large-scale stellar conflict between differing technological cultures, something that the Jovians did not have a lot of data on.
By selectively disseminating various technologies, e.g. the capsule as given to the Caldari, the Jovians were able to perpetuate the conflict, and study it in more detail.
And that, is why the Jove Empire must be destroyed.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
925
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Posted - 2016.06.02 18:56:16 -
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*Citation needed. |
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Slayer Liberator
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2016.06.02 22:29:28 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:The bombardment of Caldari Prime was necessary, to produce the desired situation that the Jovians wished to observe.
By utilising their infiltrator agents within both governments, they created the swells of nationalistic feeling that ultimately led to the war.
Then they poured fuel onto the flames, to escalate the conflict, ultimately resulting in the bombardment of Caldari Prime, and the evacuation of the Caldari people.
The aim of this project, was to study a large-scale stellar conflict between differing technological cultures, something that the Jovians did not have a lot of data on.
By selectively disseminating various technologies, e.g. the capsule as given to the Caldari, the Jovians were able to perpetuate the conflict, and study it in more detail.
And that, is why the Jove Empire must be destroyed. well most of the Jovians are dead with the exception of the drifters so the Jove aren't really an empire anymore |
Slayer Liberator
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2016.06.02 22:32:06 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Oh, gallentean genocidists blame others who did never commited genocide in genocide? How cute... NOT.
Also, I don't know how you imagining cleaning something with Gallentean CHAOS, maybe wiping your own *censored* with it? But as I said in another discussion, how about you meet me in space so I could laugh looking how you die like all other gallentean swines. you did commit genocide just not to Gallente does Tibus Heth's clone purge ring any bells |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1438
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Posted - 2016.06.03 13:33:42 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:*Citation needed.
Jovian Observatories, my dear.
Jovian Observatories have been spotted in position to observe Gallente and Caldari Prime.
It is well known, that Jovian agents gave certain technologies to various parties, notably the capsule to certain Caldari corporations.
And, following the revealing of the Jovian Observatories, and the collection of data from them, we observed fragmentary records including:
"23154-12-12 - Randomized sweeps of recently seceded Caldari communications indicate that alternative source for model of social cohesion will be increasingly defined by opposition to Gallente model. Schism becoming pronounced. Threshold for constructive comparison of existing conditions approaching. " and: "23121-09-11 - Updated Gallente status provides a model for social cohesion. Suggest further observations are shared with Modifier enclaves."
And, you will note, that 23154 was the old-calendar year of the Caldari secession from the Federation.
And you will also note, that the Jovian data mentions "constructive comparison", i.e. that the Jovians were interested in studying both Gallente and Caldari social models, and their responses to various stimuli, including what happens when one or other of the involved parties gains a technological edge.
Jovians.
Refuse to be a Jovian test subject. Resist Jovian psy-attack. CONCENTRATE. MOTIVATE. PREVAIL.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
300
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Posted - 2016.06.03 17:04:12 -
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Would somebody please remind me how to avoid Jovian culture? EDIT: could somebody wormholey explain what the significance of passing the data onto Modifier enclaves is? I thought Modifiers were just into bodymodding?
~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~
"High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide."
-Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
927
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Posted - 2016.06.03 17:32:59 -
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Hey, the crazy thing is that "Doctor" Valate makes a more coherent point than the counterpart topic can ever hope to be.
Anyway, evidence of Jovian observation is not evidence of Jovian infiltration. Blaming every atrocity on the Jovians might be a convenient moral fig leaf, but it would truly be only cowardice and refusal to learn from failure. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1440
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Posted - 2016.06.03 18:31:32 -
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Neph wrote:Would somebody please remind me how to avoid Jovian culture? EDIT: could somebody wormholey explain what the significance of passing the data onto Modifier enclaves is? I thought Modifiers were just into bodymodding?
The best defence is a strong offence.
To resist Jovian psy-assault, think strong, violent, unpredictable thoughts.
You are hungry, you fancy a sandwich. The sandwich turns into a 6-sided dice. You roll the dice. It turns up number 1. A second dice appears. It is also number 1. Snake eyes. The dice turn into a snake, that hisses and launches itself at you. It's not a snake, it's an Eagle. A Gallente Eagle. It's not the Gallente Eagle, it's a Phoenix. It bursts into flames. The flames are the bombardment of Caldari Prime. The sky turns dark. It begins to rain. The rain is full of black dust. It is the dust of burnt corpses. You try to scream, but you have no mouth. You are a burnt corpse. You are the cold roasted meat in a lunch sandwich. You eat the sandwich. You are no longer hungry. You look up. It is the sun. The sky turns dark, a shadow passes in front of the sun. It is a winged demon, with a 9-bladed sword. The demon says "The End is Nigh". You look down. You are naked. Your lover caresses your naked body. You laugh, and crush the life out of them with your many metal tentacles. You are a rogue drone dreadnought, and you laugh as you crush the human ships with your gripping appendage. You consume the metals and organic compounds. You become a small moon, that sprouts wings and flies through the heavens. You impact upon the Jove homeworld in an extinction-level event. The Jovians burst into flames.
Think things like that. They'll make any Jovians that are attempting to manipulate you lose their focus.
CONCENTRATE
MOTIVATE
PREVAIL
RESIST JOVE PSY-ATTACK.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Slayer Liberator
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2016.06.04 17:36:44 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Neph wrote:Would somebody please remind me how to avoid Jovian culture? EDIT: could somebody wormholey explain what the significance of passing the data onto Modifier enclaves is? I thought Modifiers were just into bodymodding? The best defence is a strong offence. To resist Jovian psy-assault, think strong, violent, unpredictable thoughts. You are hungry, you fancy a sandwich. The sandwich turns into a 6-sided dice. You roll the dice. It turns up number 1. A second dice appears. It is also number 1. Snake eyes. The dice turn into a snake, that hisses and launches itself at you. It's not a snake, it's an Eagle. A Gallente Eagle. It's not the Gallente Eagle, it's a Phoenix. It bursts into flames. The flames are the bombardment of Caldari Prime. The sky turns dark. It begins to rain. The rain is full of black dust. It is the dust of burnt corpses. You try to scream, but you have no mouth. You are a burnt corpse. You are the cold roasted meat in a lunch sandwich. You eat the sandwich. You are no longer hungry. You look up. It is the sun. The sky turns dark, a shadow passes in front of the sun. It is a winged demon, with a 9-bladed sword. The demon says "The End is Nigh". You look down. You are naked. Your lover caresses your naked body. You laugh, and crush the life out of them with your many metal tentacles. You are a rogue drone dreadnought, and you laugh as you crush the human ships with your gripping appendage. You consume the metals and organic compounds. You become a small moon, that sprouts wings and flies through the heavens. You impact upon the Jove homeworld in an extinction-level event. The Jovians burst into flames. Think things like that. They'll make any Jovians that are attempting to manipulate you lose their focus. CONCENTRATE MOTIVATE PREVAIL RESIST JOVE PSY-ATTACK. there is no Jovian psy attack |
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
303
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Posted - 2016.06.04 18:48:49 -
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Slayer Liberator wrote:there is no Jovian psy attack
Back me up on this, but doesn't that sound suspiciously like what somebody under a Jove psy attack would say?
~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~
"High command need more time to complete the evacuation. We shall provide."
-Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba-hanni
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Slayer Liberator
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2016.06.04 19:02:25 -
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Neph wrote:Slayer Liberator wrote:there is no Jovian psy attack Back me up on this, but doesn't that sound suspiciously like what somebody under a Jove psy-attack would say? maybe but if I was under this Psy attack I would just join the Jovian Directorate and use their technology, not Gallente tech. |
Aurum Exodus
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.06.07 23:33:03 -
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Orbital bombardments are always neccasary. |
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