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Bill Lane
Strategic Insanity FUBAR.
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Posted - 2016.06.03 18:14:39 -
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What in the hell has happened to loot in nullsec? I just ran an angel haven, had an MTU out. ONLY 86,000 isk, yes, that's right, 86,000 isk, of loot was dropped. Can barely but a script for that. And that's a friggin haven??? I killed many, many battleships. What is going on? It's not worth my time to salvage the site at this point. Got a whopping 2.18 mill in salvage.
Is this intentional, or are loot drops completely F'd?
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Bill Lane
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Posted - 2016.06.03 18:28:52 -
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And on top of that, faction spawns rarely drop anything over 1 mill. Usually just some ammo. And dreads drop no modules whatsoever?
There used to be a time where people were excited to get a faction spawn. I don't understand the point of even having them in game if 99% of the time the drop is worth less than the standard battleship. Although it would seem the normal battleship in Angel space now drops nothing at all.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.06.03 19:00:47 -
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Probably a bad time to mention that last night I got 2 10/10 escalations and 3 faction spaws playing with 2 toons for 3 hours. And that one of the faction spawns dropped an Omega implant worth a billion isk lol. Sure, doesn't happen all the time, but that's what makes a good drop special.
Been farming anomalies off and on since 2009 and I never bother to loot and salvage, the isk in anoms is in faction spawns and escalations, looting/salvaging costs you more money that it earns in the long run. |
The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2016.06.03 19:42:02 -
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Ah, Jenn, you're empathy is showing! Next you should tell him that while he was out wasting his time, you snuck into his cabin and shot his dog. Or slave hound or whatever Eve calls them. |
Bumblefck
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Posted - 2016.06.03 20:00:20 -
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RNG is R
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.06.03 20:26:21 -
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Has this been a consistent experience? It's been a while since I've ran sites, but in gurista space I would usually make 4-6 million running forsaken havens.
It was worth it for me simply because I'd bm the mtu, come back after a few hours in an indy, gather up a bunch of em and ship the loot out next time I was making a highsec run. Took me less than a tick to gather the loot, usually made ~30mil from it, and didn't have to make extra special trips to take it to high.
I will say, sounds about right on faction spawns. The usually don't drop anything worthwhile, but you're looking for the times when they do. Either way though, they're worth more than standard ships in bounties so still a bonus when you find em. |
Bill Lane
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Posted - 2016.06.03 20:28:23 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Probably a bad time to mention that last night I got 2 10/10 escalations and 3 faction spaws playing with 2 toons for 3 hours. And that one of the faction spawns dropped an Omega implant worth a billion isk lol. Sure, doesn't happen all the time, but that's what makes a good drop special.
Been farming anomalies off and on since 2009 and I never bother to loot and salvage, the isk in anoms is in faction spawns and escalations, looting/salvaging costs you more money that it earns in the long run.
ROFL god I hate you. Kidding of course.
I've been around since 2009 but I've never seen such crap loot (except from drones in the dronelands). I would agree that isk is in faction spawns but most of the time out here they are dropping ammo, and that's about it. Very few faction spawns have dropped more than 10-20 mill, and maybe once someone got like 75 mill. In a month.
In Providence we were averaging 15-25 mill in loot/salvage per haven. Here in Immensea we average around 3-5 million.
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.06.04 01:12:46 -
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different rats drop different loot and salvage
sansha and blood raider rats drop a lot of armour plates which are the highest value salvage, I believe angel salvage is terrible and this is why you're seeing such little return |
Bill Lane
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Posted - 2016.06.04 04:18:38 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:different rats drop different loot and salvage
sansha and blood raider rats drop a lot of armour plates which are the highest value salvage, I believe angel salvage is terrible and this is why you're seeing such little return
But the salvage isn't what I'm concerned with, it's the actual loot. Out of entire Angel Haven, lots and lots of battleships, cruisers, frigs, only 2 ship modules dropped, a shield extender and I think it was a rocket launcher. 4 types of ammo at 100 per stack, and that was it. Like 20-25 battleships. That's all that dropped. That seem off to anybody else? Because it wasn't that long ago that the usual drop for a battleship, in JUST loot not including salvage, was 500k-1.5 mill.
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Bill Lane
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Posted - 2016.06.04 04:24:19 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:Has this been a consistent experience? It's been a while since I've ran sites, but in gurista space I would usually make 4-6 million running forsaken havens.
It was worth it for me simply because I'd bm the mtu, come back after a few hours in an indy, gather up a bunch of em and ship the loot out next time I was making a highsec run. Took me less than a tick to gather the loot, usually made ~30mil from it, and didn't have to make extra special trips to take it to high.
I will say, sounds about right on faction spawns. The usually don't drop anything worthwhile, but you're looking for the times when they do. Either way though, they're worth more than standard ships in bounties so still a bonus when you find em.
Sorry I missed this. This is a consistent experience. Normal loot in an angel Haven is 2-5 mill, but today it was 86k isk, and a bunch of guys on comms told me that's what they'd been getting too. Either way both numbers are extremely low. In Provi I was getting 15-25 mill per site in loot. These rats in Immensea almost always drop nothing.
I've never seen so many faction spawns with no modules, just faction ammo. And I have years of nullsec experience. Probably 4 out of my 6 years in Eve (with only one break, 3 months) were spent in nullsec. So it's not like I don't know how the rats work, what normal drops look like, all that. I was just confused and frankly a little pissed off to find that these rats literally drop nothing.
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GinBar
BALKAN EXPRESS Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2016.06.05 06:48:00 -
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you sure MTU didnt eat your loot? My MTUs can sometimes eat loot, you need to redeploy 'em and scope em for them to spew loot out :), happened to me last night. |
Amanda Chan
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Posted - 2016.06.05 06:54:16 -
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IIRC the isk value of loot is based off the regional market value. Take it to another region and it should change. |
Bill Lane
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Posted - 2016.06.05 11:02:30 -
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Amanda Chan wrote:IIRC the isk value of loot is based off the regional market value. Take it to another region and it should change.
Doesn't get wrong when literally 2 modules drop. Honestly I've been around 6 years, I've got a pretty good idea of how that works.
"you sure MTU didnt eat your loot? My MTUs can sometimes eat loot, you need to redeploy 'em and scope em for them to spew loot out :), happened to me last night. "
Ya I'm sure. I don't know wtf is going on. Something has to have been broken, no way this is intended.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.06.05 14:00:57 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Probably a bad time to mention that last night... What is funny is that almost every time someone mentions bad drop you 'recently' got good one
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.06.05 18:35:39 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Probably a bad time to mention that last night... What is funny is that almost every time someone mentions bad drop you 'recently' got good one
The was just this week, What's even funnier is that last week I had the single most improbable situation I've yet had in EVE,, more improbable than the 2 officer spawns I've had so far (one 4 years ago, the other 2 years ago).
Running havens, the 1st one spawned a DG battleship that dropped a DG web. The very next haven spawned a BG battleship that dropped a DG drone damage amp and THEN escalated to a 10/10 MAZE. And the MAZE dropped a Rattlesnake BPC. The odds of that chain of events must be astronomically low, and yet it happened.
But what also happened was the 34 havens in a row I've done in the same space in last month the spawned noting but couple of guristas dread and a few 'ammo and tag' DG battleships. I've been doing this long enough to understand that that just happens, and that there is not big CCP conspiracy at play. It's a simple random number generator at work.
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Gorr Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
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Posted - 2016.06.08 11:28:18 -
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Maybe get used to this? CCP wants to have "every item manufactured by players" anyway. |
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.09 08:15:54 -
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I have seen this before awhile back ago super crapy drops. I just started running sites again a couple weeks ago and i have noticed the drops being pretty crappy. done a bunch of deds with only the box to show for it this past week it seems worse. Im only doing the 7s 8s and 10. All these are in null being that im not getting them as escalations im out scanning for them and they seem pretty hard to find for some reason. I cant tell if people are just running them or there arent many spawning. I literally go scanning for an hour or some with another person until we find a ded. I use to find a ded pretty quick id say 1 in 8 or so systems ill find one. Now it seems like 1in 20 or more at times. Im doing them in sov space not npc null. I also went through like 11 systems with no sigs at all 5 of them were all linked but in the same area had 10 with no sigs i even re logged just to make sure and double checked that i had scanner on show all. |
Deanne Sheriff
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.06.09 16:05:25 -
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I don't know what loot drop was like years ago but confirming that loot from the rats is aweful. I average about 3m isk in loot from Gurista Havens.
I see Jenn dualboxes in the same system I rat in. What she doesn't tell you about her luck streak is that she's probably playing somewhere b/w 3-8 hours per day from what I've seen. So it's a numbers game hence the nice drops. And that's how it should be. But I didn't want people to think that her drops are frequent.
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Bill Lane
Strategic Insanity FUBAR.
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Posted - 2016.06.09 19:04:37 -
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Deanne Sheriff wrote:I don't know what loot drop was like years ago but confirming that loot from the rats is aweful. I average about 3m isk in loot from Gurista Havens.
I see Jenn dualboxes in the same system I rat in. What she doesn't tell you about her luck streak is that she's probably playing somewhere b/w 3-8 hours per day from what I've seen. So it's a numbers game hence the nice drops. And that's how it should be. But I didn't want people to think that her drops are frequent.
That's very interesting, I was hoping it was just some kind of hiccup with angels. Sansha are dropping considerably more. TBH my guys that ARE playing 4-8 hours per day are getting faction SPAWNS, but the loot is almost always ONLY ammo. Honestly it is not worth salvaging sites at this point unless you are looking to use the actual salvage. At 2-5 million isk per site, you're better off just continuing to the next site. If you're salvaging with an alt it's fine I guess, but even then seems like a waste of time.
It would be nice to hear from CCP on this. If they are intentionally lowering drop rates of all loot (not just faction) in preparation for players making all metas and such, then they should at least raise the bounties. Salvage/loot was always a big part of ratting, providing a decent amount of income for the extra work. With that going out the window, seems they are nerfing isk making. Which is fine for the space-rich folk, but for the broke or new dudes, just makes life harder.
I'm not space rich, but I'm doing fine. I'm definitely trying to get the observation out there to get noticed so we can understand what/why this is happening.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.06.10 03:03:57 -
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Holy crap, JUST as I'm reading the last few replies to this thread and typing this (I had a whole paragraph about conspiracy thinking that I just erased) I'm ratting in my system in Vale of the Silent running havens. It's 0255 hrs right now, I just got a DG spawn and that sucker dropped a High Grade Crystal Epsilon implant. Cargo hold says it's worth 475 mil.
I'm literally dying I'm laughing so hard at the irony of it all . If I were a more superstitious person I would make a connection like "damn, every time I read this thread I get a good drop", hell I'll call it the "March Rabbit Syndrome" .
More seriously, I know it's pure coincidence but it's funny as hell to be reading a thread about bad drops and get a great one.
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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.10 04:31:50 -
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Deanne Sheriff wrote:I don't know what loot drop was like years ago but confirming that loot from the rats is aweful. I average about 3m isk in loot from Gurista Havens.
I see Jenn dualboxes in the same system I rat in. What she doesn't tell you about her luck streak is that she's probably playing somewhere b/w 3-8 hours per day from what I've seen. So it's a numbers game hence the nice drops. And that's how it should be. But I didn't want people to think that her drops are frequent.
The two things that changed the value of drops from regular (not commander or overseer npcs) is the change to the reproc system and the reduction/and in some cases removal of meta 0 drops. Both of those stripped the thing that held the value up, which was the the mineral reprocessing. I expect that what you used to have when you pulled 10m of loot from a haven was a small pile of large railgun Is
The side effect has been some value for ABCs for your miners, since highsec builders aren't being firehosed with high end minerals from missions and ratting.
Its very simple to make money if you live in Vale and are solo. If you are politically able, roam around and hunt the ded 6,8 and 10 sigs, if not you can also run plain hubs/ports because they have the higher escalation rate (1 in ~30), and they are quick to complete. ie there are things you can do that is not running havens, that work just fine and since you don't necessarily need the roam and camper bait dead end to do them in, you might be interrupted a lot less.
looking back, I also made stupid amounts of isk from killing herons. they seemed to average about 30m, a newbie heron spawn was usually better than a gurista commander :) |
Bill Lane
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Posted - 2016.06.13 20:10:17 -
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Send some of those drops our way!
While I agree there were changes in price and such when the mining changes came, this was immediate. 15-25 mill per site in loot in sansha space. Move to angel space, immediately seeing 2-5 mill per site in loot, both Havens within a week of each other.
To add on, a few of us ran an 8/10 expedition the other day. The only thing that dropped worth any value was one Overseer Personal Effects worth 80 mill, and that was the ONLY ship in the entire site that dropped anything that wasn't normal loot at crap prices, if they dropped anything at all (most of the battleships did not). There were no other overseer effects, no faction drops, no deadspace, no nothing.
I know the things are supposed to be pretty rare to get good drops, but it's awefully frustrating getting just ammo almost every time. And then to get almost nothing in expeditions too.....just a kick in the backside on top of the rest.
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