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Nils Bohr
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Posted - 2007.03.03 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Nils Bohr on 03/03/2007 13:44:30
Originally by: Silane Daktor Congrats to Ens, a well deserved appointment.
Shame on you Kugutsumen- I think your stirring, chest-beating and general whipping up of hysteria is bad for the game, bad for the community and is just serving your ends.
"Bad for the game?"
"Bad for the community?"
You do remember that K is no longer a member of the community and cannot play the game? CCP banned him when he exposed the corruption in their ranks last time. Did they really expect he was going to just go off quietly?
Did you?
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Russ Gott
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Posted - 2007.03.03 13:48:00 -
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The lunatics reallly are running the asylum, and I for one have to keep asking myself if I want to stay an inmate. The Enslaver may have done nothing wrong, but there is a general fishy smell around the relationships of the big 0.0 alliances and CCP, and it does't smell like red-herring.
If eve was a non-competitive game, if the T2 market wasn't essentially zero-sum, if the game was static and there was no value to inside information none of this would matter. But that's not eve, and the very fact that it's news that a player is a dev or a gm indicates that we all are aware of that.
This isn't going to go away until devs & gms stop playing the game, and CCP are much too arrogant a firm to ever acknowledge that. It will be interesting to see if the game survives, possibly that's the only gamble going on now that isn't being fixed.
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Lurtz
Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers
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Posted - 2007.03.03 14:02:00 -
[363]
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Coasterbrian There's two reasons why I feel that CCP cannot claim the moral high ground here:
1) From day one, CCP has permitted and even encouraged backstabbing, questionable tactics, and dishonorable conduct in Eve. This has escalated as time has gone on, and this is the result of the permission of such escalation. CCP condones spying, both in and out of game, and this is the logical progression. CCP brought this on themselves.
2) Quite simply, CCP banned Kugutsumen for, quite literally, nothing more than making their jobs harder. CCP ruined his game, and he has nothing to lose by ruining theirs. As best I can tell, he has done nothing illegal, and as such there is nothing they can do to him, especially when he resides on the otherside of the world (quite literally).
Yes, for all those people screaming that K should be thrown in the slammer... maybe hes not "hacking" anything. Maybe hes being a spy and finding this info out... or maybe he has spies that find out the info for him. And so far as Ive seen, spies are perfectly viable.
Well if by spy you mean within CCP/ISD whatever, then I assume when joining they all sign non-disclosure agreements and either he, or his 'informer', can be sued for breach of contract.
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Zombak
Caldari Shooshpunk
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Posted - 2007.03.03 14:04:00 -
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More on topic. In this particular case problem not in the occurence. Yes The Enslaver is a good honest guy, who volunteered to abadon politics etc and thus decided to avoid situations where his professionalism and friendship will be put to test.
Problem is the system where people 'volunteer' to do it. And what if they dont ? CCP has no problem with it ? so instead of damage prevention ccp runs damage control. and that's a real problem. Shoo! |
JForce
N.W.A Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2007.03.03 15:27:00 -
[365]
Out CCP employee info, get a dev blog.
Sir Molle can out rl personal details and not get banned.
Why the double standard? |
Kirex
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.03 15:34:00 -
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What about the insider info enslaver had on t2 BPOs? IIRC, he told his friends to sell t2 because they aren't going to worth as much...
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.03 15:40:00 -
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Holy crap.
He advised people to sell their Tech2 BPO's before Invention came around. Hardly rocket science, or requiring inside knowledge. Not to mention the fact he said this WAY before he became an Intern, or could even know he would.
Stay out of my sig, it's not funny. Thanks for proving my point. |
Jennie Marlboro
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.03.03 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow Holy crap.
He advised people to sell their Tech2 BPO's before Invention came around. Hardly rocket science, or requiring inside knowledge. Not to mention the fact he said this WAY before he became an Intern, or could even know he would.
If Enslaver gave his advice before hooking up with CCP, I'd say no foul on that.
But the first part of your post is rubbish. Just because some one might reckon on the effect of upcoming changes to the game doesn't render insider advice worthless. It's like taking a test with the answer key taped to the bottom of your shoe -- oh sure, anyone else could've gotten an A by using their brain a little, but you still cheated.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Actually not so much... the WW guys dont care AT ALL about whats happening here. I found several posts on their message boards about this problem, and the posts therte have like 5 replies total lol They just dont care...
Believe me that if K is continuing his campaign against CCP when WoD comes out, then it will become a hot topic and it will be counterproductive to the rollout of that game.
He's not going to stop, the only way to stop him is to remove his perceived edge, to marginilize him. The only way to do that is to take from him that which he most wants. He's delighting in slowly outing Dev and GM characters, whether or not they have done wrong because he makes him feel superior.
Thus my suggestions because if implemented he would no longer have that edge and without it he would most likely become bored in time and move on.
If you leave him out there as a thorn in the side, the thorn will eventually get past the skin and destroy something more vital....
I dont think theres any way that this is ever gonna stop. I seriously doubt CCP will disclose that info as their privacy policies prohibit it. Also, if it is found out that K is doing illegal things and is imprisoned, others will merely take over for him. Im not so sure this all CAN be stopped
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: RaBbLe66 Kugutsumen exposed the T20 scandal, without that exposure the vast majority of the playerbase would have had no idea of the extent of the corruption that CCP has now admitted too.
The result of that exposure- The whistleblower has had all his accounts banned T20 got a slapped wrist BoB got off scott free BoB leadership who also bent the forum rules got off scott free CCP have whitewashed the whole incident, appointing a IA who works in complete secrecy.
So the only person who has actually been punished in all of this to any real extent is Kugutsumen. those actually involved have not.
Would I be ****ed ? Damn right I would Would I make sure that CCP lives were a misery for as long as I could Damn right I would
I dont like some of the tactics that Kugutsumen is alleged to use, but given the situation I can understand why he may use them
CCP mishandled the whole situation and made a scapegoat of the wrong person, now that is coming home to roost.
Well the whole t20 incident seems to have been a smokescreen for 3 other devs/GMs that got caught cheating as well. One of the GMs here back a few pages was talking about that as I had linked the article. Apparently, the 3 other guys did things that were bad enough to warrant getting fired. Id really like to know what they did and if what they did was all that different from what T20 did.
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
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Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: RaBbLe66
Originally by: kieron and the shameful publishing of private information. [/url].
Given this Kieron..
Why was the "Shamefull publishing" of Kugutsumens personal information by Sir Molle and DBpreacher also not acted upon?
Sorry but Double standards seem to apply here
Because according to the GMs, your first name, your work location, work number, and the town you live in arent perconal info... which is pure crap *looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: farfrael
Blue news Escapist 1 Escapist 2 Slashdot *snip* inappropriate link - Karass Sayfo
Im guessing you tried to link K's site... shoulda guessed THATD be innapropriate
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
Hubris
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Static Ga'lraith
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Static Ga'lraith
Originally by: El'Niaga I feel I need to say something.you shouldn't call him a hacker until such time as he's convicted of hacking.
He has been convicted before for being naughty to the FBI.
Really? post his arrest record if yer in possession of such info
Firstly, I am not the type of person to post people's confidential information about other players in this game. (K's conviction is now in the public domain and has been for a while, so unfortunately it is no longer confidential, persay.)
Secondly, Hubris effectively confirmed that this information was correct with the post he made answering my previous one.
How did My saying "you wouldn't have this info unless it was posted here by someone that has yet to be punished for posting real life info on the forums" confirm anything. Am i somehow an FBI Spokesperson or any authoritative source for confirming arrest records? Are you really that simple that a post like mine comfirms an arrest record?
Man no wonder you are taken in by CCP's empty speaches and worthless posts.
hey wait a second here is another bit for you - osprey bpo's will be worth 2 bil each next week. And since you need no authoritative confirmation about this i will even sell you said bpo's for 1.7 bil each. I know thats way underpriced but man you are getting a deal.
Oh and since your not one to post real life info maybe you shouldn't talk about arrest records at all.
Originally by: Static Ga'lraith [Please insert coin and try again.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Static Ga'lraith
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Static Ga'lraith
Originally by: El'Niaga I feel I need to say something.you shouldn't call him a hacker until such time as he's convicted of hacking.
He has been convicted before for being naughty to the FBI.
Really? post his arrest record if yer in possession of such info
Firstly, I am not the type of person to post people's confidential information about other players in this game. (K's conviction is now in the public domain and has been for a while, so unfortunately it is no longer confidential, persay.)
Secondly, Hubris effectively confirmed that this information was correct with the post he made answering my previous one.
Please insert coin and try again.
So you have no proof of thios allegation then... "Please insert coin and try again"
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lurtz
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Coasterbrian There's two reasons why I feel that CCP cannot claim the moral high ground here:
1) From day one, CCP has permitted and even encouraged backstabbing, questionable tactics, and dishonorable conduct in Eve. This has escalated as time has gone on, and this is the result of the permission of such escalation. CCP condones spying, both in and out of game, and this is the logical progression. CCP brought this on themselves.
2) Quite simply, CCP banned Kugutsumen for, quite literally, nothing more than making their jobs harder. CCP ruined his game, and he has nothing to lose by ruining theirs. As best I can tell, he has done nothing illegal, and as such there is nothing they can do to him, especially when he resides on the otherside of the world (quite literally).
Yes, for all those people screaming that K should be thrown in the slammer... maybe hes not "hacking" anything. Maybe hes being a spy and finding this info out... or maybe he has spies that find out the info for him. And so far as Ive seen, spies are perfectly viable.
Well if by spy you mean within CCP/ISD whatever, then I assume when joining they all sign non-disclosure agreements and either he, or his 'informer', can be sued for breach of contract.
huh... you mustve read more of his page then I have, Ive just seen chat logs, PMs, and Emails, stuff that could be gotten legally from the people that recieved them by buying them off of them for sufficient money. I havent seen anything yet that is specifically CCP insider communications... *looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: JForce Out CCP employee info, get a dev blog.
Sir Molle can out rl personal details and not get banned.
Why the double standard?
/bump Ive answered the question according to them, but what it dboils down to is hes a friend of CCP *looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
Finally, CCP, Please consider that the community overwhelmingly is unhappy with the thought of GM's and Devs in the big alliances.
Grats on the job Ens.
Jane, please don't presume to speak for the community.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hubris
Originally by: Static Ga'lraith
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Static Ga'lraith
Originally by: El'Niaga I feel I need to say something.you shouldn't call him a hacker until such time as he's convicted of hacking.
He has been convicted before for being naughty to the FBI.
Really? post his arrest record if yer in possession of such info
Firstly, I am not the type of person to post people's confidential information about other players in this game. (K's conviction is now in the public domain and has been for a while, so unfortunately it is no longer confidential, persay.)
Secondly, Hubris effectively confirmed that this information was correct with the post he made answering my previous one.
How did My saying "you wouldn't have this info unless it was posted here by someone that has yet to be punished for posting real life info on the forums" confirm anything. Am i somehow an FBI Spokesperson or any authoritative source for confirming arrest records? Are you really that simple that a post like mine comfirms an arrest record?
Man no wonder you are taken in by CCP's empty speaches and worthless posts.
hey wait a second here is another bit for you - osprey bpo's will be worth 2 bil each next week. And since you need no authoritative confirmation about this i will even sell you said bpo's for 1.7 bil each. I know thats way underpriced but man you are getting a deal.
Oh and since your not one to post real life info maybe you shouldn't talk about arrest records at all.
Originally by: Static Ga'lraith [Please insert coin and try again.
Please insert correct change and try again.
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/BUMP YAAAAAY!!! rofl *looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:57:00 -
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You know this thread is stickied, right? It's not like its overly usefull posting "bump" every other post...
Stay out of my sig, it's not funny. Thanks for proving my point. |
Philanthus
Phalanx Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.03 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Philanthus on 03/03/2007 16:57:48
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: RaBbLe66 Well the whole t20 incident seems to have been a smokescreen for 3 other devs/GMs that got caught cheating as well. One of the GMs here back a few pages was talking about that as I had linked the article. Apparently, the 3 other guys did things that were bad enough to warrant getting fired. Id really like to know what they did and if what they did was all that different from what T20 did.
U READ IT ON THE INTERNETS SO IT MUST BE TRUE!
At this point anyone could say anything they want in this thread and the tinfoilhat crew would believe it. Please people, go outside and see the sun for once or better yet ... go play WOW if you are really bothered by all this.
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Ascend Alt
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.03.03 17:04:00 -
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As ever this just gets politicised with in-game stuff.
Notice how nearly everyone that is saying its not a big deal is lv or a surprisingly vocal person from a small corp u never heard of before *cough* bob alt *cough*
I do not know anyone that would be happy with the thought that a dev had a major role in their enemies corp/alliance, so the solution is simple, stop letting ccp employees treat this game as their own little ego booster and keep them in npc corps where they should be.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.03 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ascend Alt Notice how nearly everyone that is saying its not a big deal is lv or a surprisingly vocal person from a small corp u never heard of before *cough* bob alt *cough*
Notice that EVERYONE debating that CCP is wrong is in NPC corps, or not showing their corp atall? No, guess you didnt, mr hypocrit.
You will notice though, if you bothered to read, that there are plenty people, including Goons of all people, saying they do not approve of this.
Didnt notice that either, eh?
Stay out of my sig, it's not funny. Thanks for proving my point. |
Ascend Alt
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.03.03 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: Ascend Alt Notice how nearly everyone that is saying its not a big deal is lv or a surprisingly vocal person from a small corp u never heard of before *cough* bob alt *cough*
Notice that EVERYONE debating that CCP is wrong is in NPC corps, or not showing their corp atall? No, guess you didnt, mr hypocrit.
You will notice though, if you bothered to read, that there are plenty people, including Goons of all people, saying they do not approve of this.
Didnt notice that either, eh?
I am not talking about whether or not what was done to the enslaver was right or not.
I am talking about the idea of having ccp employees very active in 0.0 politics, and I am sure that you know as well as I do that the enslaver is the least of the incidents that have been going on recently that cause concern but that ccp has decided not to put into the public domain and which I am not going to refer to as I dont fancy getting all my accounts banned ta very much.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
Finally, CCP, Please consider that the community EXCEPT for the raving Fanbois that stick their fingers intheir ears and scream "LALALA" at the top of their lungs when CCP does something wrong overwhelmingly is unhappy with the thought of GM's and Devs in the big alliances.
Grats on the job Ens.
Jane, please don't presume to speak for the community.
Right, I fixed it *looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Philanthus Edited by: Philanthus on 03/03/2007 16:57:48
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: RaBbLe66 Well the whole t20 incident seems to have been a smokescreen for 3 other devs/GMs that got caught cheating as well. One of the GMs here back a few pages was talking about that as I had linked the article. Apparently, the 3 other guys did things that were bad enough to warrant getting fired. Id really like to know what they did and if what they did was all that different from what T20 did.
U READ IT ON THE INTERNETS SO IT MUST BE TRUE!
At this point anyone could say anything they want in this thread and the tinfoilhat crew would believe it. Please people, go outside and see the sun for once or better yet ... go play WOW if you are really bothered by all this.
Hey go read where Kieron ADMITS THAT THIS HAPPENED READ THE THREAD BEFORE YOU SPEAK
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While I am not sure about one of the events, I would guess two of the incidents mentioned involved the GM that was fired last summer for abusing his authority and the volunteer who was removed from ISD and perma banned for breaking the rules the summer before that, both of which were publically announced. Since the article does not go into specifics about the instances, it is impossible to take more than an educated guess.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Oh... "U READ IT ON THE INTERNETS SO IT MUST BE TRUE!" lol yer funny
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.03 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: pylons38 Edited by: pylons38 on 03/03/2007 06:55:08 Maybe CCP should actually DO something. The "personal attacks" the CCP staff is getting is a result of their actions, or lack of.
Hmm what to do? Let's see...fire t20? Don't let devs play? Their internal control department is obviously incompetent.
I think these "attacks" might be stopped it CCP makes it so the whole eve community isn't disadvantaged by those who have inside information.
I wonder when the subscriptions will start getting cancelled. I know I'm close to it.
If CCP fires t20, he can sue the living hell out of them for it.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.03 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf K may have had initially good motives. He may have thought he would help the game. But as is the case with at least one of your own Devs, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
He never had good motives, he released the info he stole because his attempts to blackmail CCP and members of BoB failed.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Philanthus
Phalanx Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.03 17:40:00 -
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All Old F'in News - Get with the times buddy. If it bothers you that much go play Wow and quit trolling.
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Rigsta
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.03 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow Holy crap.
He advised people to sell their Tech2 BPO's before Invention came around. Hardly rocket science, or requiring inside knowledge. Not to mention the fact he said this WAY before he became an Intern, or could even know he would.
We'll be having none of that common sense around here. OUT WITH YOU!
And remember: Tin blocks more mind-control rays than aluminium.
Originally by: Jim McGregor I felt the disturbance... it was like a million voices suddenly stopped whining for a second. Unfortunantly it then continued.
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Gut Punch
Gallente The Revenant
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Posted - 2007.03.03 17:59:00 -
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It is time for CCP to clean up its act. Like a doctor cutting out a cancer, CCP need to clean everything that could inspire more tinfoilery. Very publically, they need to discuss and post the rules for GM/Devs playing in game. They need to make the GM/Dev players standout where ever they are (including their alts). Furthermore, all employees of CCP should be removed from 0.0 alliances. Perhaps they could create their own corps/alliance if they wanted the 0.0 experience, but then the players would at least know who they are fighting against.
Until this occurs, CCP will continue to have to fight this battle every time someone discovers another CCP employee in BoB & Friends.
And, if they keep this whitewashing up, I know a handful of players who will walk away. Perhaps not now seeing as there isn't a great replacement for EVE atm, but in the future - the space MMO market is growing - people will just leave to not deal with this uneven playing field. ---
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