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banannagirl Minmatar The U-B-H-C	Posted - 2007.03.04 10:10:00 - [61] Originally by: Nicholas Barker why get players stuck there, what if i decide i don't like being -10 anymore (i'm not -10) and want to fly around empire mining and running missions and other boring stuff. If i actually couldn't go to empire to buy things i'd probably quit the game tbh, i think most people with -10 have alts that they have to train to fly the ships they want so they can fly the ship to a 0.4 system or whatever so that they can get in the ship. That's pretty crap imo. Ive been saying this for three years ...! Concord shouldnt be allowed to gank neg secs at all in any system - nevermind trying to increase sec penalties in 0.0 ! regards BG Link removed, advertising services for real world money is not allowed on the forums - Wrangler
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.04 10:36:00 - [62] Originally by: Ikvar One time I blew up Crumplecorn's Brutix in Vecemia and them podded him. I demand to be punished for this horrible act! SPANK ME INGOLS, SPANK ME WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT! Ikvar, you bastard, I will have to hunt you and that bugger Ristavel down, get my own back on thee I shall!!!!!oneone Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2007.03.05 05:14:00 - [63] Originally by: Crumplecorn Piracy = Noob killing, gatecamping and smack? And here was me thinking it involved actual piracy. Bounties still being offered to player pirates with very crappy sec status for killing rats means that pirates don't really need to be successful or profitable. It amounts to a subsidy for lazy and/or untalented pirates which allows some pilots to concentrate solely on killmails, rather than honest looting, explodifying, and pillaging. A lot of the "pirates" stooging about in lowsec could more accurately be described as EVE's equivalent of deranged lunatic serial killers. Not by any means a huge problem, but certainly annoying at times.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2007.03.05 05:50:00 - [64] Originally by: Forum Alt Sadly this is the only game I've ever played that encourages and rewards people for being jerks and penalizes people that don't. QFT! This will go to my sig "Sadly this is the only game I've ever played that encourages and rewards people for being jerks and penalizes people that don't" -Forum Alt
Crydawner	Posted - 2007.03.05 05:58:00 - [65] I am a newb to eve but i have played an online game or two in my life. It would seem, and this is just a theory, that eve incorporates PvE into the game to get more players = more cash, but the PvE players don't much like the PvP in the game, which is frankly harsh (item loss, pod killing, etc), but that's what it is...anyhow you have these two subscription paying player bases side by side and your going to get some sharp disagreements about game mechanics and stuff, especially when the PvE side puts PvE'rs in the line of PvP'ers who are way more dangerous/aggressive than any rat you're gonna face. This is further exacerbated by these 'stargate' thingies, forcing confrontations often immensely stacked in the aggressors favour. I think it's kinda clear, after 4 days playing, that eve online favours the aggressor, it favours aggression, it favours doing what ever it takes to get a kill no matter how lame or cowardly or outrageous. That is eve online and that is why i will only ever be a frig pilot, cos when i get wasted for the 50th time, I can bounce back in another frig! I AM IMMORTAL...oh, um anyhow
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.05 06:47:00 - [66] nothing could be further from the truth eve favour neither the agressor nor the agressed eve favours the PREPARED those who are ready watchful and prepared will win or at least escape 9/10 i have seen some pretty nasty suprise laid out for pirates in the past , simply any pirate any player for that matter can be beaten if your prepared and patient you can bring even the sliperiest gankers down it just takes imagination
infraX Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.03.05 09:28:00 - [67] In answer to the question: Global criminal flag meaning you can be attacked anytime anywhere by anyone. Not being able to help your gang mates in lowsec without getting flagged and shot at by sentry guns. Banned from entering 0.5 and above. (for all intents and purposes). That's basically the answer to your question. Maybe you don't think that enough of a penalty. It is a long ass grind from -10 to -1.9 so people have to consider things very seriously when deciding whether to go outlaw or not. A permanent penalty is a stupid idea. It's enough that people cannot chop and change between being an outlaw or not overnight. To be honest, the odds are stacked in the favour of anti-pirate corps. Meaning corps that actively hunt down outlaw pirates and not just write 'anti-pirate' in their corp description and then go off and farm lvl4's in high sec all the time. Having been a pirate, I actually think it would be quite cool to have a corp that does nothing but goes and ganks pirates. I'm sure you could have some brilliant fights doing that.
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.05 09:37:00 - [68] Originally by: MrMann It's not that Low Sec is too dangerous. It's that it should offer greater rewards to solo players and smaller corps viz-a-viz the risk. Currently, the rewards do not increase from high sec to low sec in line with the increase in risk. Bingo. There's the answer, right on the first page. Anti-pirate whining is due to poverty, not to injustice. If you could live in low-sec and make enough money that, even after those filthy turd jugglers in Bastage Inc. nuke three of your haulers, you're still making more money than you'd be making sitting in high-sec with your thumb up your butt running missions, then people would stop complaining about piracy. The problem is that when you look at your bottom line, it's worse than it was before you moved your operations to low sec, and the most obvious reason for that is that you got your face kicked in by some chimp in an Abaddon who can tank gate guns all week and enjoys seeing that -10 on his character sheet.
Ingols	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:03:00 - [69] It's because I want pirating to have a meaning. PvP is PvP, random gankage, gate camping, NBSI mentality. Pirating however is a career choice. You are in effect at war with everybody, and the world notices this. You become undersireable in empire space. Picked on Gallente pilots too much? Alliastra, the NPC pirates refuse you docking privs, or increasingly charge you more as your notoriety rises. Even in 0.0 these faction hits take place. Unless of course you war'dec the targets. You can setup stations, or get people to give you access to their stations, but no-no on empire or npc stations should you have crossed them too much.
infraX Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:27:00 - [70] That's exactly how it works. The reason for having to kill loads of NPC's is that it improves your standings with concord so that you can be allowed back into high sec. By killing the pirate NPC's you are earning their respect and trust again.

Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:42:00 - [71] Originally by: Ingols It's because I want pirating to have a meaning. PvP is PvP, random gankage, gate camping, NBSI mentality. Pirating however is a career choice. You are in effect at war with everybody, and the world notices this. You become undersireable in empire space. Picked on Gallente pilots too much? Alliastra, the NPC pirates refuse you docking privs, or increasingly charge you more as your notoriety rises. Even in 0.0 these faction hits take place. Unless of course you war'dec the targets. You can setup stations, or get people to give you access to their stations, but no-no on empire or npc stations should you have crossed them too much. So why only pick on Pirates? What about other professions?
Kastar Chronodynamics	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Forum Alt Sadly this is the only game I've ever played that encourages and rewards people for being jerks and penalizes people that don't. You can also call that life and deal with it... It's also the jerk working with his elbows behind the scene that gets promoted at work. Usually not the one sitting in his office working all day and not talking to people. Eve is good at showing social dynamics. For the rest it's a game. Pirates don't exist, players with a different style and target do. If you get caught with your pants down it's usually just yourself to blame because you dropped it on a dangerous spot :) Above everything, piracy is the engine of Eve... what fun is there if everyone can get rich, go everywhere and do whatever without hesitation or boundary ? Piracy and PVP limit inflation and trim the herds. -----------------------------------------------
UberDefDef Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:56:00 - [73] I only read the first post and the title... All i have to say is Roflburgers. There are no penalties!! JUST REWARDS!!! BOOTY!! :) Of both kinds yum yum
Flyer11 Gallente Turbulent Subversion	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Ingols Low sec or 0.0 I don't think that players should be able to randomly gank and pod another player without some type of permanent penalty. Pirates that destroy other pilots without having war decs should suffer permanent security loss, plus status loss to the corporation of the pilots they pirate -- unrecoverable if an NPC corp. Pirate corporations should suffer permanent security and faction loss do to the piracy of it's members. seems somebody's a little sore about getting ganked -Flyer- TBSV Director
Arthegon Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:05:00 - [75] Originally by: Forum Alt Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Forum Alt Sadly this is the only game I've ever played that encourages and rewards people for being jerks and penalizes people that don't. Care to elaborate on that? Anyway, no there should be no penalties beyond what is already there. No need to really. It's a no-brainer if you give it 5 seconds of thought. Have YOU given it 5 seconds of thought?
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:13:00 - [76] Originally by: Ingols Low sec or 0.0 I don't think that players should be able to randomly gank and pod another player without some type of permanent penalty. Pirates that destroy other pilots without having war decs should suffer permanent security loss, plus status loss to the corporation of the pilots they pirate -- unrecoverable if an NPC corp. Pirate corporations should suffer permanent security and faction loss do to the piracy of it's members. The only thing I think should be done is removing security status gain from 0.0 Personally, I'm of the opinion if someone wants to be a jackoff. By all means, let them be. But consquences should be long standing. You can up your standing fairly quickly in 0.0. But security standing shouldn't increase in 0.0, why? Because you can't lose standing in 0.0 Security standing is nothing more than an Empire rating device for your actions in empire. 0.0 is the loophole that makes jackoffs look legitimate ;) Mr. K VIGILANT JUSTICE CEO/FOUNDER EVE Vault, A Great Community
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel Legiones Astartes	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:26:00 - [77] Sadly this game seems to be all about making thigns easier for pirates, A while back they nerfed MWD's on haulers, Then not so long ago they nerfed Warp Stabs, Now they are looking into removing local, tbh this doesnt surprise me, just look up TomB ingame, look at his sec status, even CCP's lead dev pirates, it would be funny if everyone just stayed in hi-sec in nub corps,then not even privateers could get them, unless they introduce dec'ing nub corps, then everyone would leave eve, either that or they will remove concord and turn the players into the police, essentially making everywhere 0.0... oh well, we will see what happens -if- they do remove local chats, i ut a bet on that pirate ganking takes a rise, and people taking the risk of entering low sec decreases....its a double edge sword though.... ---------- Photoshop, ú50 Time to make a sig that dont look idiotic - 5 hours time for forum mod to nerf it - 2 minutes Finding out you spent 5 hours on a sig that was too big - PRICELESS....
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:36:00 - [78] Originally by: Blane Xero Sadly this game seems to be all about making thigns easier for pirates, Really...I thought the same ships were available to anyone. CCP nerfed my sig..but this one has my name in it
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.05 18:42:00 - [79] Originally by: Blane Xero Sadly this game seems to be all about making thigns easier for pirates, A while back they nerfed MWD's on haulers, Then not so long ago they nerfed Warp Stabs, Now they are looking into removing local, tbh this doesnt surprise me, just look up TomB ingame, look at his sec status, even CCP's lead dev pirates, it would be funny if everyone just stayed in hi-sec in nub corps,then not even privateers could get them, unless they introduce dec'ing nub corps, then everyone would leave eve, either that or they will remove concord and turn the players into the police, essentially making everywhere 0.0... oh well, we will see what happens -if- they do remove local chats, i ut a bet on that pirate ganking takes a rise, and people taking the risk of entering low sec decreases....its a double edge sword though.... Yes because the warp core stab nerf really affects haulers Did you forget WTZ? The biggest boost carebears got since...well ever?
ScEmAl	Posted - 2007.03.05 18:47:00 - [80] Permanent kill rights,, or at least long term kill rights,, would be nice imho.

DiuxDium Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 18:53:00 - [81] Edited by: DiuxDium on 05/03/2007 18:52:17 Pirates are fat sweaty nerds who just sit in their basement all day griefing noobs to make up for how they can't get a date. Screw pirates, a bunch of low-life losers tbqh. edit; ---- yarrrr
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.03.05 19:20:00 - [82] Originally by: DiuxDium Edited by: DiuxDium on 05/03/2007 18:52:17 Pirates are fat sweaty nerds who just sit in their basement all day griefing noobs to make up for how they can't get a date. Screw pirates, a bunch of low-life losers tbqh. edit; ---- yarrrr thats funny, because many would argue the extact oposite that its cearbears that mine and mission ***** all day very day and getthere isk taken off them by a ebil guy that plays for a few hours every now and then... of course i wouldnt argue that. Piracy is one of the most ballenced things of eve, problems wise, leave em alone - dont like it, stay safe, stays bears and keep from 0.4>
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 19:22:00 - [83] Originally by: DiuxDium Screw pirates, a bunch of low-life losers tbqh. Pirates are just a bunch of griefers who have nothing better to do then pick on the defenseless, peace loving, all-they-want-is-to-be-left-alone people in Eve. May you burn in Eve Hell!.....ohhh....shiny hauler.......shooty shooty....BOOM! ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Dread Operative SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.05 19:24:00 - [84] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Originally by: DiuxDium Screw pirates, a bunch of low-life losers tbqh. Pirates are just a bunch of griefers who have nothing better to do then pick on the defenseless, peace loving, all-they-want-is-to-be-left-alone people in Eve. May you burn in Eve Hell!.....ohhh....shiny hauler.......shooty shooty....BOOM! If I saw a pirate I'd shoot him/her on sight. They are filth on the face of New Eden, a disease to be rid of. _________________________________________________________
Nyabinghi Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.05 19:38:00 - [85] Nice to see that after returning to the game after an extensive layoff people are still having the same old issues, meh. The way I see it now is the problem is Concord. Concord doesn't police low sec and yet interferes with players attempting to police it hence low sec becomes more lawless than 0.0.
DiuxDium Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 19:51:00 - [86] Originally by: Dread Operative Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Originally by: DiuxDium Screw pirates, a bunch of low-life losers tbqh. Pirates are just a bunch of griefers who have nothing better to do then pick on the defenseless, peace loving, all-they-want-is-to-be-left-alone people in Eve. May you burn in Eve Hell!.....ohhh....shiny hauler.......shooty shooty....BOOM! If I saw a pirate I'd shoot him/her on sight. They are filth on the face of New Eden, a disease to be rid of. Agreed, let us fight this opresive force together.
Athren Soulsteal Gallente Intergalaxy Salvage And Repair	Posted - 2007.03.05 20:26:00 - [87] Ok.. 0.0 is and always should be the wildlands. Anything and eveything done there should stay there. Any kills by anyone in 0.0 should never count, BUT by the same token no NPC ratting in 0.0 sould give a sec boost. You are not in empire so why should ratting improve your empire rank? As far as low sec, the criminals should be treated as criminals, IE: they should not be able to dock at any station they are neg to. The only other change is that the bounty offices at the stations should allow 1 day kill rights on any neg (-2.0+) player. Attacking a Pirate should not inflict a neg rating to the civs/bounty hunters. And no a Pirat is not just -5+ as any smart Prat will keep their rating between -1 and -4 Quote: Think about the people that did fight you fairly. Think.... that were honorable and helped you out in times of need. Those are the real heroes of EVE. I wish I could fit all the Quote

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