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Jack Target
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Posted - 2007.03.03 00:02:00 -
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Lil Dirtbeard thinks an all-out grudge war against BoB would be satisfying for everyone. You could read his idea in the 'events' forum:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=470566
But my question is why did a force of 1000 not succeed? Could we do better?
How about dividing the biggest force we can muster into eight attack groups - they simultaneously assault the eight ways of getting into BoB territory. In this way:
1) Lag is reduced 2) BoB would need eight titans to ambush all gates. Surely they don't have these resources, do they?!
Once in BoB territory, we take them as we find them, and hit them wherever it hurts!
What do you think? Please give all the suggestions you can!!
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Samuel Freedom
Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.03 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Samuel Freedom on 03/03/2007 00:04:22 hire a Dev EDIT serious like I dunno getting a whole load of allainces to co-operate is kinda hard, if you and say 20 -30 other people have got time to organise an effect assault then go for it but imo you need KEY full time players to really make things work... a little nit like life.
Well I think it's it is amazing that the human race has the ability to reproduce -Think about it.
Minmatar :- We breed better than the rest, because we the best. |
ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.03.03 00:47:00 -
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I think BoB would welcome hordes of unorganized idiots trying to fight them. They would slaughter you like fish in a barrel.
You have no experience in working together, little discipline, no idea of your gang mates capabilities and many people probably dont even have voice comms.
Seriously, its a pipe dream. Alliance warfare takes a totally different mentality. You need patience and heaps of time. Not to mention the logistical nightmare you face getting into deep 0.0 and replacing losses. Add to that most of the people you have in mind would have withdrawal if they couldnt grind a mission or two per day.
Stop trying to incite people against an alliance, uninformed muppets like you just spread hate and bigotry against a whole group of players for no reason.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.03.03 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch I think BoB would welcome hordes of unorganized idiots trying to fight them. They would slaughter you like fish in a barrel.
You have no experience in working together, little discipline, no idea of your gang mates capabilities and many people probably dont even have voice comms.
ScreamingLord have allready said it!
I would like to add though, that while ASCN suprised them at the beginning by taking the war BoB declared on them to Bobbit space, BoB adapted pretty fast, and soon ASCN had problems.
You want to take on BoB? They would welcome it! But while bob's 5 corporations have been drilled and drilled to cooperate in all manners of way, your group of corporations have not even met eachother, not even fighting together. Instead of a war you would most likely get your bottom served to you on a platter.
That is my tactical view on it. You might get the men, but to get the teamplay and a command structre working not to mention absolute dedication to the cause, this is the wrong way of approaching it.
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.03.03 01:13:00 -
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I don't really have an interest either way in this whole anti BoB war atm, but what I do see is that on one side you have a highly organised and dedicated armada with lots of experience (and perhaps not many scruples) and on the other you have a mob. Sure, the mod is big, but don't kid yourselves, this isn't the french revolution.
If you want to take down bob, make it a long term goal and build the alliance required for it before you actually walk into BoB space. Or you will get beaten down like a peasant uprising. As far as I can see the anti bob side has the numbers but lacks the organization. Once organization is setup it should be a matter of a simultaneous multipoint campaign into BoB space and a longish ocupation to make sure they lose their logistical power and wither down. If they can't mine, build, regroup, they will die. But on a head to head battle they have the advantage atm, even if the numbers may seem to tell you otherwise. In the EVE universe BoB will only die to a war of ocupation and attrition. Or to infiltration and metagaming I suppose...
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.03 04:03:00 -
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Would work except for two things: 1) bob would let us and just take out one fleet then go after another... they wont fight you if they cant win...
2) POS's... they kill pvp... you can kill bobs ships but they have more... lots more... unless you spend weeks and months and possibly years pos spamming and sieging them then they arent going anywhere... sigh.
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Phiraga
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Posted - 2007.03.03 04:32:00 -
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Don't let these BoB alts scare you. Try it. Power to the people. "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority." |
Nighlighted
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.03 04:45:00 -
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Got Titan?
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.03 05:00:00 -
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Firstly, like pointed out BoB would love to be attacked, they play this game for PvP.
While it true that a number of them prefers easy fights with big ships going BOOM without any risk to themselves this does not meen they all do, a large number of them would love to fight very very tough ods.
There is also the matter of too many BoB being nolifers and thus you would need to keep the preassure on them 23/7 for weeks to have an effect or once you let upp they regroup and start recovering their losses.
Naturally there is also the fact that alot of people still belive BoB has Dev help and gets favorable treatment on reinbursements and under the table aid, info and help and its not all that fun taking considerable losses yourself and (hopefully being wrong) belive that all your oponents losses get instantly reinbursed.
Best way to hurt BoB is to call them out for what they are.
They ARE recipients of cheated wealh, the other stuff is not confirmed so lets not get into that.
Untill that issue is satisfactory concluded why indulge them, they want you to talk about them and attack them...
I actually think ignoring them will have a much more profound effect, sadly its hard to ignore people that attack you.
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Platinum Dragon
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Posted - 2007.03.03 06:09:00 -
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1. open map
2. observe massive warfar taking place in bobs space as 90 % of 0.0 eve gets invovled
3.choose side
4. If you wish to participate begin negotiations for + 5 standings with the side you have chosen or your corp has voted whatever.
5. join in what is already going on ROFLMAO
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.03.03 09:38:00 -
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unorganized groups like that one are the reason why the tempest, megathron and geddon are king of modern fleet warfare.
next to the sniping capabilities they have utility high-slots for the much needed salvagers
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Neon Genesis
Gallente The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2007.03.03 10:36:00 -
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I doubt a noob fleet could overwhelm a bob fleet even with completely stupid numbers.
Give up.
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EBIL ED
Gallente Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.03.03 11:14:00 -
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BOB have many Titans may we leave it at that :P ----------------------
Kill Everybody?? maybe tomorrow?.... Better today! |
Jack Target
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Posted - 2007.03.03 18:11:00 -
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Thank you all for your advice. I've revised the why, when, and how of a possible 'Operation BoB Takedown':
Why do we need Operation BoB Takedown? The reason for war must be ethical. ScreamingLord Sutch advises Operation BoB takedown would "...spread hate and bigotry against a whole group of players for no reason."
Personally, I have tremendous respect for BoB: They are the closest thing to The Empire we have seen. However, in the forums there is dissent against BoB's questionable ethical behavior. People are even talking about leaving Eve Online because of it. If people leave, or even feel helpless, one day there may be no more Eve. Perhaps a war to get even with BoB is a war for the future of Eve itself?
From what I've heard, BoB are no cowards, and I'm sure that the prospect of some serious PvP thrills them as much as it does you.
When to Attack? How about 3pm GMT/UTC on a Saturday or Sunday? This would be convenient for most players who probably live in Europe and the USA.
How to attack? Eve favours attackers, and an attack by BoB would be particulary savage. Therefore, instead of attacking the BoB fleet, I suggest we use eight fleets of 200-300 ships to attack their static targets - the space stations or slow moving large ships. If BoB's fleet appears - run to the nearest 1.0 or 0.9 area, or just keep running to occupy BoB. The other seven fleets of ours can still keep distroying their static targets or BoB stragglers.
There are eight routes into BoB territory, so an army of 200-300 ships per route (1600-2400 ships in total) sounds right.
Most ships should be equipped to: 1) Distroy large static targets. 2) Have speed to run from the BoB fleet. 3) Be able to salvage the parts from space stations/titans etc.
The Eight Armies Other alliances could join these larger alliances:
DUSK AND DAWN (2003 members) - Suggested attack route: through Outer Ring. Outer Ring could serve as their rally point.
LOTKA VOLTERA (3019 members) - Suggested attack route: through Omist. Omist would also make a good, currently existing, rally point.
AGAINST ALL AUTHORITIES (849 members) - Suggested attack route: Stain in the direction of Period Bias. They would have to suggest their best rally point.
GOONSWARM (2582 members) - Attack route and re-group location ?
RED ALLIANCE (692 members) - Attack route and re-group location ?
INTERSTELLAR ALCOHOL CONGLOMERATE (1541 members) - Attack route and re-group location ?
RAZOR ALLIANCE (877 members) - Attack route and re-group location ?
TAU CETI FOUNDATION (912 members) - Attack route and re-group location ?
Please tell me what you think. All opinions and contributions are valuable.
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Paladineguru
Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.03 18:27:00 -
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I think this would be like pitting farmers with pitch forks against knights mounted in full armor, stick to what you know, if you wish to support the alliances already waring bob contact one of them. a noob army is just asking for death, and if you dont have standings from the right alliances , even the good guys will shoot you. so stop , think, research , then do what you can most likely accomplish, not what most likely will amke you a laughingstock. props for balls tho.
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Jack Target
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Posted - 2007.03.03 19:17:00 -
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The strategy above relies on the existing alliences all pulling together.
It wouldn't be "an army of peasants against knights in shining armour". It would be more like Napoleon's Army defeted by Europe's alliance.
I'm surprised my whole strategy - which is a completely new one - can be so easily dismissed.
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Rico Naginata
Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.03 19:21:00 -
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Suggestion number 1: Discuss your attack plans on a private forum. ;)
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
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Ritchler
Gallente BOOM - Gotcha
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Posted - 2007.03.03 19:21:00 -
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Lil Sirtbeard is a alt of three accounts that have been banned for scamming, he is the scum of this game .
So whatever he says, jack him in the head with a brick
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Jack Target
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Posted - 2007.03.03 19:28:00 -
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I'm not surprised people think BoB are unbeatable.
What does surprise me is that my tactic - which I think is unique - has not be discussed specifically. Therefore, I'll start a new discussion thread focusing only on the new strategy and edit out everything else.
At least then I know my suggestion has been considered and can be rejected in a more fair way.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.03 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Target Lil Dirtbeard thinks an all-out grudge war against BoB would be satisfying for everyone. You could read his idea in the 'events' forum:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=470566
But my question is why did a force of 1000 not succeed? Could we do better?
How about dividing the biggest force we can muster into eight attack groups - they simultaneously assault the eight ways of getting into BoB territory. In this way:
1) Lag is reduced 2) BoB would need eight titans to ambush all gates. Surely they don't have these resources, do they?!
Once in BoB territory, we take them as we find them, and hit them wherever it hurts!
What do you think? Please give all the suggestions you can!!
I suggest you stuff 50 hot peppers up your behind and pretend your a rocket.
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Minerma
EVE corporation 501
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Posted - 2007.03.03 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
I suggest you stuff 50 hot peppers up your behind and pretend your a rocket.
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we got a thread winner!!!!
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Ritchler
Gallente BOOM - Gotcha
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Posted - 2007.03.03 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Target I'm not surprised people think BoB are unbeatable.
What does surprise me is that my tactic - which I think is unique - has not be discussed specifically. Therefore, I'll start a new discussion thread focusing only on the new strategy and edit out everything else.
At least then I know my suggestion has been considered and can be rejected in a more fair way.
LOL, what i find funny is, on my main before i sold him, you where a member of my corp, u tried to get us to go delve and picka fight with bob, your *alt* lil Dirtbeard is infact a known scammer ingameon the trade channels.
The reason u keep posting these *take bob down* is because u applied to BNC, BEC, EVOL and got rejected, so now u drift from corp to corp, causing trouble, scamming and giving people a bad name.
U where booted from ours for scamming 4 n00bs out of hacs. Stop posting and do us all a favour, Jack, lil dirtbeard, i know all ur alts pal
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Jack Target
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Posted - 2007.03.03 22:23:00 -
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Lil Dirtbeard might well be someones alt (I can't speak for that person), but I'm no alt - I'm a new player (19-days old).
If you don't believe me, log in to Eve Online and look my character up.
The only further proof I can offer is only a noob wouldn't know Lotka Volterra was friendly to BoB.
However, I've read r0me0's blog online and I can quite understand why everyone would be thinking about scammers.
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WilliamPD
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Posted - 2007.03.03 23:34:00 -
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What does this have to do with crime and punishment ?
Don't understand me wrong, post what you want (in COAD please), but I thought we could avoid the BOB nonsense in C&P, 14 days alt that claims to be a main, creating thread after thread (okay, I saw only two today, but approx same content) for how to beat BOB ? Why would a 14 days new player even care, much less know who BOB is and/or want to take em down ?
Why do you even feel the need to discuss it ? In the end nothing that you say will have any matter on the tactics used or any influence on the war, god forbid, if you want to kill em so much, log in and help the n.coalition. I think we have had enough forum drama.
I feel like this is not the place to discuss it...
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Jack Target
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Posted - 2007.03.03 23:52:00 -
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You're absolutely right! This is not the best place to discuss this. It would be a relief to let this thread fall to oblivion.
BUT, you appear to have questioned my integrity, so I feel curiously compelled to answer.
Your question is "Why should I care about BoB" and, looking around for explanations, you conclude I must be a BoB alt and this is all a big conspiracy.
What bothers me is 19-days ago, I discover Eve Online and it looks perfect. Then people start talking about leaving the game. This worries me because I'm keen for the game to succeed for years to come. In discussion forums everywhere I read players feel developers are backing BoB.
I try to think of a solution and hit on the idea that perhaps scoring a victory over BoB could make people feel better.
Yes, and I know what you're going to say. This was a silly idea. And yes, I apologise. But what I will not tolerate is people saying I'm a BoB alt - because I'm not.
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Sinister Death
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.04 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sinister Death on 04/03/2007 00:38:58
Originally by: Jack Target I'm a D2 alt
Fixed*
Anyways, this will be either moved or locked for being off topic for General Discussion. . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family. |
EVILSATAN
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.04 00:53:00 -
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BoB cheat tho so whats the point, free tech 2 BPO's and half them are CCP.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.04 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch ...Stop trying to incite people against an alliance, uninformed muppets like you just spread hate and bigotry against a whole group of players for no reason.
You're not wrong, however BoB aren't exactly a beacon of shining light in this game. They're reaping what they sowed after 2 years of arrogant, dismissive, abusive and ruthless gameplay. I'm sure they're loving every second of it, good for them, but let them make their own defence if people like the op feel the need to post.
In game they command respect with their actions, in here they've acted like "muppets who spread hate and bigotry against a whole group of players for no reason".
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perfeus
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.03.04 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: perfeus on 04/03/2007 02:01:36
Originally by: Jack Target I'm not surprised people think BoB are unbeatable.
What does surprise me is that my tactic - which I think is unique - has not be discussed specifically. Therefore, I'll start a new discussion thread focusing only on the new strategy and edit out everything else.
At least then I know my suggestion has been considered and can be rejected in a more fair way.
Blobbing is a "new tactic" that has "never been discussed?"
Fighting a war on multiple fronts has never been discussed?
Pretty much what you are describing is what is already going on. Go kill em if you want to. There was a report that the goons sent tons of new characters to kill LV, join up with them I guess.
And how many of these threads are you going to start up....
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=485486.
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Ira Theos
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Posted - 2007.03.04 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Target The strategy above relies on the existing alliences all pulling together.
It wouldn't be "an army of peasants against knights in shining armour". It would be more like Napoleon's Army defeted by Europe's alliance.
I'm surprised my whole strategy - which is a completely new one - can be so easily dismissed.
************************* Jack, I don't think you're an alt. From the tone of your posts, I'm sure most of us don't. I think you are just an eager beaver new citizen of EVE who has found this great new playground and is champing at the bit to make waves and make a mark in the game. Good! But what you are learning here from the less than enthusiastic and somewhat sardonic responses is that EVE is often not a simple game of direct bludgeoning of one's opposition. More than half of the vultures around here bashing you would just love it if their major neighbors would jump up and expend the flower of their fleet in pulverizing The Evil Empire. Heck, they might even swing along for awhile, if by doing so they could maneuver their dagger a bit closer to their favorite jugular.
What you need to to do is keep trying..... a bit more diplomatically perhaps thru quiet channels and you might find that at the least somebody agrees with you and would be more than willing to employ your services in their cannon fodder squads. Good Luck! And Best of Hunting!
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