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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
34
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:20:00 -
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Anya Sulii wrote: Shoot an ordinary man in the head and the matter is settled. With a capsuleer you must not only destroy his 'working body' but jam the death transmission to the cloning facility
You only have to worry about 'death transmission' when a capsuleer is 'plugged in' to his pod. Outside of that specific senario we die just like everyone else.
Although no harm in being thorough, perhaps.
Universities these days...
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Shalee Lianne
Imperial Outlaws
36
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:33:00 -
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You people are heartless fools. You should know that I, the one who stole your glorious general, your Hero of Ezzara, the one who took him from your cause and brought him to his knees before God will bring him back.
http://amarrian.blogspot.com/ -á~ Roleplay blog.http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/ ~ Faction War blog. |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
101
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:33:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Anya Sulii wrote: Shoot an ordinary man in the head and the matter is settled. With a capsuleer you must not only destroy his 'working body' but jam the death transmission to the cloning facility You only have to worry about 'death transmission' when a capsuleer is 'plugged in' to his pod. Outside of that specific senario we die just like everyone else. Although no harm in being thorough, perhaps. Universities these days...
The only thing restricting multiple, active clones is the law. I see a potential loophole in allowing dormant clones to be reactivated should an event like this occur. With how much is invested into capsuleers, I see that becoming a regular practice inevitable. Our potential is staggering; never before was it possible to reasonably depend on an individual for so many different things, work to teach them so much and accept death was no longer an issue.
We're not invincible, but our power gives our investors a lot of incentive to try to make us to be. EVE Online IdeaTorrent |
Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
34
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:04:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Anya Sulii wrote: Shoot an ordinary man in the head and the matter is settled. With a capsuleer you must not only destroy his 'working body' but jam the death transmission to the cloning facility You only have to worry about 'death transmission' when a capsuleer is 'plugged in' to his pod. Outside of that specific senario we die just like everyone else. Although no harm in being thorough, perhaps. Universities these days... The only thing restricting multiple, active clones is the law. I see a potential loophole in allowing dormant clones to be reactivated should an event like this occur. With how much is invested into capsuleers, I see that becoming a regular practice inevitable. Our potential is staggering; never before was it possible to reasonably depend on an individual for so many different things, work to teach them so much and accept death was no longer an issue. We're not invincible, but our power gives our investors a lot of incentive to try to make us to be.
Example?
Unless you have access to some highly advanced new technology we are unaware of... currently the very act of scanning a capsuleer's consciousness destroys the brain. The 'flash' brain scan is automatically activated when your pod hull is breached, killing the clone body in order to scan and transmit to a waiting clone. As yet there are no individual, portable sized versions of this technology. Rumors are rumors until seen and verified in the field.
This is straying off topic however. Mintor is dead.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
197
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:15:00 -
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Shalee Lianne wrote:You people are heartless fools. You should know that I, the one who stole your glorious general, your Hero of Ezzara, the one who took him from your cause and brought him to his knees before God will bring him back.
You might have tugged at his heartstrings, but I'm pretty sure you can't make a dead heart beat again.
That said, my sympathies for your personal loss Lianne. |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
101
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:26:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Unless you have access to some highly advanced new technology we are unaware of... currently the very act of scanning a capsuleer's consciousness destroys the brain. The 'flash' brain scan is automatically activated when your pod hull is breached, killing the clone body in order to scan and transmit to a waiting clone. As yet there are no individual, portable sized versions of this technology. Rumors are rumors until seen and verified in the field.
Such a smart woman as yourself would realize that obviously, though the original body is destroyed, what follows is purely data that can just as easily be delivered to any number of waiting clones.
Don't think yourself so clever that you can inform me on a device I've had the pleasure of using nearly a hundred times now. EVE Online IdeaTorrent |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1013
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:32:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Shalee Lianne wrote:You people are heartless fools. You should know that I, the one who stole your glorious general, your Hero of Ezzara, the one who took him from your cause and brought him to his knees before God will bring him back.
You might have tugged at his heartstrings, but I'm pretty sure you can't make a dead heart beat again. That said, my sympathies for your personal loss Lianne.
If she has a couple of fingernail clippings and a speck of quantum storage housing a mindstate backup then she certainly can bring him back.
Death isn't what it used to be.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1013
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:34:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Aphoxema G wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Anya Sulii wrote: Shoot an ordinary man in the head and the matter is settled. With a capsuleer you must not only destroy his 'working body' but jam the death transmission to the cloning facility You only have to worry about 'death transmission' when a capsuleer is 'plugged in' to his pod. Outside of that specific senario we die just like everyone else. Although no harm in being thorough, perhaps. Universities these days... The only thing restricting multiple, active clones is the law. I see a potential loophole in allowing dormant clones to be reactivated should an event like this occur. With how much is invested into capsuleers, I see that becoming a regular practice inevitable. Our potential is staggering; never before was it possible to reasonably depend on an individual for so many different things, work to teach them so much and accept death was no longer an issue. We're not invincible, but our power gives our investors a lot of incentive to try to make us to be. Example? Unless you have access to some highly advanced new technology we are unaware of... currently the very act of scanning a capsuleer's consciousness destroys the brain. The 'flash' brain scan is automatically activated when your pod hull is breached, killing the clone body in order to scan and transmit to a waiting clone. As yet there are no individual, portable sized versions of this technology. Rumors are rumors until seen and verified in the field. This is straying off topic however. Mintor is dead.
Sorry to correct you on this technical point ms Vitalia but the technology to create multiple mindstate backups independent of burning scanner "just in time" application has existed in the capsuleer community for almost five years now.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
101
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:34:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:[...] Death isn't what it used to be.
I just wish I could figure out what it is now... EVE Online IdeaTorrent |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
356
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:48:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Well done, Anya, well done. You have shown to all of us the true form of minmatars. Even myself thought about minmatars as warriors who are just misled and manipulated by filthy gallentean overlords. But you displayed a pinnacle of backstabbing: you are not warriors, but a mere assassins. You have inspired hearts of loyal amarrians with hate against your kin, against YOU. You made a martyr for the Amarr Empire, a hero whose name was Eran Mintor. You will hear his name when capital fleets will hold your ships docked. You will hear his name when your gatecamps will scatter in fear. You will hear his name when burning remains of your fleets will be falling into atmosphere of your homeworlds.
It is amazing how you've managed to outdo even the Amarrians themselves at the not-so-fine art of completely losing your temper and talking a lot while saying nothing. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
201
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:55:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Shalee Lianne wrote:You people are heartless fools. You should know that I, the one who stole your glorious general, your Hero of Ezzara, the one who took him from your cause and brought him to his knees before God will bring him back.
You might have tugged at his heartstrings, but I'm pretty sure you can't make a dead heart beat again. That said, my sympathies for your personal loss Lianne. If she has a couple of fingernail clippings and a speck of quantum storage housing a mindstate backup then she certainly can bring him back. Death isn't what it used to be.
If it were that simple, there's a long list of far more important people to be brought back first. |
Conventia Underking
Teraa Matar
63
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:52:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Because she's a lying snake with an immense double standard. Come to think of it, isn't that basically why you turned your back on the Amarrian status quo in the first place?
Not entirely and not in those words, but I won't suggest that you are incorrect. For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!
Teraa Matar - the Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking |
Conventia Underking
Teraa Matar
63
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:56:00 -
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Shalee Lianne wrote:You people are heartless fools. You should know that I, the one who stole your glorious general, your Hero of Ezzara, the one who took him from your cause and brought him to his knees before God will bring him back.
Don't you mean that God will bring him back, Miss Lianne? For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!
Teraa Matar - the Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
201
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Posted - 2011.12.20 19:14:00 -
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Conventia Underking wrote:Shalee Lianne wrote:You people are heartless fools. You should know that I, the one who stole your glorious general, your Hero of Ezzara, the one who took him from your cause and brought him to his knees before God will bring him back. Don't you mean that God will bring him back, Miss Lianne?
I believe she's going through the five stages of grief.
Only she seems to have replaced one of them with delusional idealism, it's probably best to let her mourn. |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
103
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:10:00 -
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Well, it's been almost a whole day and I still can't believe this. EVE Online IdeaTorrent |
Raphael Saint
Imperium Aeternum
8
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:53:00 -
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Conventia Underking wrote: Hmm... he betrayed his people to fight for the enemy, just as I. If you would rejoice in my death, then why am I a witch for rejoicing in his?
Witch? No. Hilarious? Yes. It should have served as a stark reminder of what you are now, instead of something to be "celebrated." Eran did more for the humane treatment of slaves while within the Empire than you'll ever be able to accomplsih from without.
Conventia Underking wrote: Don't you mean that God will bring him back, Miss Lianne?
Are you really so utterly helpless that you cannot do anything on your own and must appeal to God to do anything? |
Verone
Veto Corp
132
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:54:00 -
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**** happens.
He's far from dead, and I've no doubt in my mind at all we'll see him again in some form or another. He's a good kid, despite being totally directionless and pretty much completely emotionally unstable.
Death isn't the handicap it used to be in the bad old days. It doesn't screw up your career like it used to.
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
0
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Posted - 2011.12.21 00:06:00 -
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This news is disturbing, and I find it hard to celebrate such an event. But then again, neither do I mourn such a true death. He earned his reputation and fate, but it is a hard one to wish on anyone. |
Pax Thar
Teraa Matar
18
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:26:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Well done, Anya, well done. You have shown to all of us the true form of minmatars. Even myself thought about minmatars as warriors who are just misled and manipulated by filthy gallentean overlords. But you displayed a pinnacle of backstabbing: you are not warriors, but a mere assassins. You have inspired hearts of loyal amarrians with hate against your kin, against YOU. You made a martyr for the Amarr Empire, a hero whose name was Eran Mintor. You will hear his name when capital fleets will hold your ships docked. You will hear his name when your gatecamps will scatter in fear. You will hear his name when burning remains of your fleets will be falling into atmosphere of your homeworlds.
A martyr for the Amarr eh? The Hero of Ezzarra, the Minmatar Turncoat, the Traitor, the great Matari general that betrayed his own people to the Amarr slavelords... all of these things describe Eran Mintor and if the Amarr view him as a martyr then they and their religion have surely fallen far. He died a traitors death at the hands of commandos. A fitting end.
Who are you? Warrior?
Caldari mercenary fighting a war you have no place in, for a people that despise you, against those who would not call you enemy otherwise. You fear the Gallente so you come to fight alongside the Amarr in hopes of winning glory, but you will find no glory here. You will only find that we fight for what is rightfully ours... and you, what do you fight for here in Minmatar space? I dont even know. |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
288
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:38:00 -
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I think it is quite amusing how capsuleers react to the death of another capsuleer.
We have no issues killing thousands of people every day. Millions die in this war. No one bothers, no one cares. But when a single capsuleer dies, people cry about cold hearts and about how the killers have shown their "true form".
Are we a bit shocked to be reminded of our own weakness? |
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
202
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:45:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:I think it is quite amusing how capsuleers react to the death of another capsuleer.
We have no issues killing thousands of people every day. Millions die in this war. No one bothers, no one cares. But when a single capsuleer dies, people cry about cold hearts and about how the killers have shown their "true form".
Are we a bit shocked to be reminded of our own weakness?
I believe most of the replies are under the shock that an "immortal" has been slain as you would suggest.
The very real concept of our own mortality goes against a belief that we are untouchable, which brings along with it a certain amount of arrogance in some, as you can see here. Coupled with the early stages of grief, not only are people being reminded of their own fragility, but coming to terms with the loss of someone their false pretences assumed would be around forever.
It is an interesting observation indeed Captain Sadik. |
Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
38
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Posted - 2011.12.21 01:46:00 -
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Pax Thar wrote:if the Amarr view him as a martyr then they and their religion have surely fallen far. He died a traitors death at the hands of commandos. A fitting end.
I wouldn't hold my breathe for him being anointed a Saint or Martyr anytime soon.
I also doubt this 'commando' story as well. I'm going to assume a solitary grief-ridden suicide until I hear some independent verification. Or until Gutter-Press does an expose showing me the crime-scene.
Perhaps one of his former... consorts ...could shine some light on the matter?
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Raederelle
Gradient Electus Matari
0
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Posted - 2011.12.21 03:13:00 -
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His eternal soul will have learned something from this, I hope.
And all our living souls will have as well, perhaps. Death comes for everyone. Nothing stands outside all Cycles. |
Cheiftan
Shinryaku Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
0
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Posted - 2011.12.21 18:58:00 -
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A mentor and a friend.
We fought for the freedom of Ezzara We fought in Geminate for the Cal-Matar
To lose you once to the Amarr was a tradgedy To lose you again...
I will drink to your memory old friend, i hope you find peace in death that you could not find in life.
For the people of Matar For our Kin
Good bye old friend
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
366
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Posted - 2011.12.21 19:22:00 -
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Pax Thar wrote:Who are you? Warrior?
Diana Kim? Nobody important. Frothing, delusional Hethite. Her ego took a very serious pounding when the Caldari lost their claim to Placid and Verge Vendor. She swore to reconquer the Gallente Federation in the name of Tibus Heth.
That... didn't work out so well for her, so she's betrayed the Caldari people a second time by helping the Amarr. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
44
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:06:00 -
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Sounds like a clean, professional kill. Were I wearing a hat, I would tip it. |
Sophie Starsparrow
Damnation Angels
79
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Posted - 2011.12.22 06:05:00 -
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Good luck Miss Lianne |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
55
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Posted - 2011.12.22 06:41:00 -
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How sad. I suppose Rodj Blake now has to find a new sycophant to polish his boots. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
7
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Posted - 2011.12.22 09:54:00 -
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Pax Thar wrote: Who are you? Warrior?
Soldier. I follow the orders to bring the order.
Pax Thar wrote: Caldari mercenary
Being a mercenary implies being paid. Now, will you be paying me for fighting for the Empire or will be known as a liar and blabbermouth from here and now.
Pax Thar wrote: against those who would not call you enemy otherwise
Republic is the enemy of the State since YC110. And this status comes to be not only with words, but with actions too. Minmatar and Caldari militias are known to fight each other throughout the cluster. There were too much minmatar forces intervening into Caldari space, and now we are here in their space. Please next time consider consulting your superiors about the state of the war instead of your enemies.
Pax Thar wrote: You fear the Gallente
I don't remember you being on my side ever to tell things like that. You have no idea what are you talking about. Are you trying to copy your gallente masters in being ignorant?
Pax Thar wrote: and you, what do you fight for here in Minmatar space? I dont even know.
This is one war, and we have to deal with minmatar menace. Today tribals are heavily brainwashed with gallentean ideals and are direct threat to civilized world. What do we fight for? We fight for our worlds, we fight for our leaders, we fight for our citizens, we fight for our friends, we fight for our parents, we fight for our teachers, we fight for glory, we fight for order, we fight for future, we fight for all who lost their lives, and we fight for those who will stay after us. |
Pax Thar
Teraa Matar
18
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:06:00 -
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The Caldari are only enemy of the Minmatar through their Amarr allies. And Im still not sure what your fighting for, here in Minmatar space, since all the things you mentioned are back in the State where your own Militia is currently getting their behinds handed to them by the Gallente. We all watch the holoreels and look at the statistics and can see how badly the Caldari are doing on their own front, so one has to ask the question, why come here? The answer is obvious. |
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