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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
924
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Posted - 2016.06.22 10:25:35 -
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Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
45
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Posted - 2016.06.22 10:28:31 -
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Elenahina wrote:Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something.
Here is an idea. try opening the settings on the left side of the window. Select launch options and set the time you want it to take to launch the next instance. Mine is 5 seconds. |
Top Yourself
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.06.22 11:32:16 -
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Skipper Riddles wrote:WOW!
I really want to say;"nicely put" I just don't know if I should. lol well done. I am autistic, if that helps. I therefore know of what I speak and have no intention of being derogatory towards autistic people.
I started playing this game because it was very autistic friendly. I learned to switch off the sound and most of the effects, because they only make the game less pleasant for me due to sensory overload. More sensory information is generally bad, but some types of sound or light effects are particularly unpleasant and these were heavily featured in both the sound and visual effects.
Over the years the game has become increasing unpleasant. The tracking camera is mostly intolerable to me, as is the map (both old and new), the new UI, jump animations, session change artifacts, notification displays and of course the new dailies.
I don't expect the game to be designed with an autism first perspective, but I feel it would also be wrong of me not to point out why so many autistic people have left the game or are currently considering doing so. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33945
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Posted - 2016.06.22 11:48:19 -
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Skipper Riddles wrote:Aaron Eyrou wrote:You can also make the launcher window the size of your screen if wanted by dragging the sides like any other window. Which should allow more than ten accounts. If you had a 4k screen that could be a lot. Dragging to resize - simplify that by just double clicking the title bar. One dbl click and poof the launcher is full screen. The function of the launcher is about as important as a widget, and if it wasn't for the advertisements and announcements piggybacked onto it, It could be the size of an instant messenger window while doing what I needed. It's already bloated and suggesting it as a fullscreen application is airheaded.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
924
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Posted - 2016.06.22 13:15:56 -
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Skipper Riddles wrote:Elenahina wrote:Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something. Here is an idea. try opening the settings on the left side of the window. Select launch options and set the time you want it to take to launch the next instance. Mine is 5 seconds.
I've adjusted it to 10. There's really no noticeable change.
One thing I have noticed is that with two clients and the launcher running, I'm hitting about 80% processor utilization across all 6 cores.
Closing the launcher once the clients finally open drops that back to about 30% So WTF is the launcher doing when it isn't launching that requires it to chew up that much processing power?
Edit: As an aside, I just tried using the exefile to load Eve without the launcher, and it yields my old performance expectations with the launcher running, so there's def something in the launcher that's chewing up resources and hindering performance.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Aaron Eyrou
Cannon Ball In The Pool
23
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Posted - 2016.06.22 19:14:05 -
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Skipper Riddles wrote:Skipper Riddles wrote:[quote=Random User83]fan-F*****G-tastic
now i get to relog in all 13 accounts, redo the overviews for 13 F*****G accounts. Reduce the graphics on 12 stupid alts, uncheck camera shake on 13 damn accounts. Thanks.
The least you could do is have a quick backup and restore account settings, but that's a mess too. Yes I know how to go into the eve files and make copies of account info, but i don't know how to work them into this new launcher's database. I have an old .bin file that used to backup my overview/account settings but that no longer works. so how bout it. the next time you release another update to the launcher that WIPES OUT HOURS OF TEDIOUS POINTLESS WORK, how about you have a migrate old overview settings to new launcher button. because that little settings button by each new login thing? it didn't bring back S**T from the old accounts... I feel for you. What I do not understand is how this causes issues for some users and not for others. When I retyped in my user names and passwords. that was that. POOF! all done. All my previous setting were right on target. Just the way they were left before the update. I have several different profiles for my(more than 1) accounts. 1 screen profiles 2 screen profiles and 3 screen profiles. some for PvP some for mining, etc. I don't get it. Isn't all the data stored the same on everyone's systems? Wouldn't the conversion offer the same results on everyone's systems? This whole launcher thing just completely blows my f'n mind. My initial instinct is telling me several people did not bother to completely understand the original import action and/or never bothered to use the feature when they first started to use the launcher.
Same for me entering the user name and password was a copy/paste effort. All my settings just the way I left them. I'm still using windows 7. Imported my settings from old launcher about two months ago. And have been enjoying the new launcher since. For me this is the 1st time in the past year that CCP got something right. But I'm still thinking about quitting since I can't stand the new camera. The new launcher improves on what already worked the new camera destroyed it and took a step backwards. One right does not fix all the wrongs. |
Red Hawk
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.06.22 19:40:42 -
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Ive always bypassed the launcher using the exefile.exe because I use Isboxer to quickly switch between accounts. but now that executable doesnt even work ?
Can we get a option to bypass launcher again and or not to use it. I dont care about logging in each account... at least the game works.
I run 5 accounts on 2 monitors where I can see and hear everything thats going on...check that I used to be able to.
Hell easy fix... just fix the exefile.exe |
Oxigun
Ascendant Logistics The Otherworld
29
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Posted - 2016.06.22 20:48:23 -
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Hello, my name is Oxigun and I am an Eve multiboxer...
I am a fan of progress and process improvement. I see the new launcher as an attempt to help the game and while I have been bypassing it for several years now, it's time to start using it (or so it would appear).
I have several configurations, ranging from 3 to >10 Eve clients running at the same time. Each configuration uses a different client window size and different settings (e.g. low vs high graphics settings). While i have been able to move those settings to the new launcher, I have not found a way to multi-launch those clients I need with the settings I need for each one, other than to manually do it which is ofc a giant pain.
Please consider allowing us to create automated multi-launch setups that we can save with the launcher: e.g. "Launch the cyno chain toons" or "Launch the mining armada". This is essentially what isboxer does for us, along with arranging the windows in a nice layout.
Looking forward to the next iteration, happy to provide more information as needed. |
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
45
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Posted - 2016.06.22 22:57:20 -
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Elenahina wrote:Skipper Riddles wrote:Elenahina wrote:Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something. Here is an idea. try opening the settings on the left side of the window. Select launch options and set the time you want it to take to launch the next instance. Mine is 5 seconds. I've adjusted it to 10. There's really no noticeable change. One thing I have noticed is that with two clients and the launcher running, I'm hitting about 80% processor utilization across all 6 cores. Closing the launcher once the clients finally open drops that back to about 30% So WTF is the launcher doing when it isn't launching that requires it to chew up that much processing power? Edit: As an aside, I just tried using the exefile to load Eve without the launcher, and it yields my old performance expectations with the launcher running, so there's def something in the launcher that's chewing up resources and hindering performance.
Could it be spying? Just askin'
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Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
45
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Posted - 2016.06.22 23:17:39 -
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Red Hawk wrote:Ive always bypassed the launcher using the exefile.exe because I use Isboxer to quickly switch between accounts. but now that executable doesnt even work ?
Can we get a option to bypass launcher again and or not to use it. I dont care about logging in each account... at least the game works.
I run 5 accounts on 2 monitors where I can see and hear everything thats going on...check that I used to be able to.
Hell easy fix... just fix the exefile.exe
Wow, just tried it myself. You're right. I get an incompatible version message.
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Msgerbs
Imperial Assualt Guild
59
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Posted - 2016.06.23 01:02:14 -
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I actually like not having the username saved (I fill it with a password manager anyway) but why does it still default to having the cursor in the password field? There is never a situation where you'll be typing the password without the username, so it should default to the username field if the username is blank. |
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
45
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Posted - 2016.06.23 02:22:22 -
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Msgerbs wrote:I actually like not having the username saved (I fill it with a password manager anyway) but why does it still default to having the cursor in the password field? There is never a situation where you'll be typing the password without the username, so it should default to the username field if the username is blank.
That is not entirely true. Many sites retain your username but leave password as the focus entry point. I believe every launcher used in eve over 3 years does the very same thing. They retained the last used account used. Leaving only password to fill in so the focus was there.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
926
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Posted - 2016.06.23 10:20:48 -
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Msgerbs wrote:I actually like not having the username saved (I fill it with a password manager anyway) but why does it still default to having the cursor in the password field? There is never a situation where you'll be typing the password without the username, so it should default to the username field if the username is blank.
And normally the launcher retains your used usernames in a drop down. Or at least mine does. I just pick one, type in the password, and go.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
926
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Posted - 2016.06.23 10:28:31 -
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Skipper Riddles wrote:
Could it be spying? Download on demand? Just askin'
Spying? LOL. If CCP wants to spy on me, then I feel sorry for the level of boredom they're encountering.
And I get the download on demand thing. My point is, what changed that's causing the performance degradation?
Here's the scenario:
Prior to the launcher update, I could open the launcher, launch three clients by hitting play all, and go on about my day, forgetting the launcher even existed until I needed to change characters.
Post launcher update, I have to close the launcher once the third client gets a green bar (indicating it's started) or it will never actually open on the screen. It just sort of hangs in the background. And let me be clear. I'm not anti new launcher. Personally, I think it's nice being able to start multiple clients at once, and not having to retype usernames and passwords just to change characters. I'm more curious as to what changed that is causing it to consume so much more of my computer's resources than it did a week ago.
Regarding the exe file method of starting the game. It still works, you most likely have the wrong copy of the exefile. I know I have two, because I haven't removed the old installation of Eve from when I upgraded to the new launcher (it actually installed a second copy). The copy you want to use is in the Shared Cache folder, which is (on windows 7) in C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE\SharedCache\tq\bin
YMMV.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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CCP nLock
C C P C C P Alliance
11
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Posted - 2016.06.23 10:46:26 -
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Elenahina wrote:Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something.
Please try restarting the launcher or pressing the update icon in the upper-right corner. |
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
926
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Posted - 2016.06.23 10:50:49 -
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CCP nLock wrote:Elenahina wrote:Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something. Please try restarting the launcher or pressing the update icon in the upper-right corner.
Well, I've restarted it multiple times, since I just close it now when it opens the clients I need.
Can you be more specific about what this update icon looks like? Do you mean refresh under the E?
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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CCP nLock
C C P C C P Alliance
11
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Posted - 2016.06.23 11:06:04 -
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Elenahina wrote:CCP nLock wrote:Elenahina wrote:Ok, normally I love the work you guys do, but since this update, my PC flat refuses to load more than two clients, and loading the second one takes about two minutes, where it used to take about 30 seconds. I gotta ask, what did you guys change because it's not happy about something. Please try restarting the launcher or pressing the update icon in the upper-right corner. Well, I've restarted it multiple times, since I just close it now when it opens the clients I need. Can you be more specific about what this update icon looks like? Do you mean refresh under the E?
It is a blue circular refresh icon. If you have restarted the launcher already you should have the latest version though, so it's become hidden. There is a problem with rendering in the launcher, so before current GUI version(1.793) the launcher was causing heavy CPU load. However, now there are no persistent animations and the load shouldn't be anywhere near that anymore. |
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roy oakes
boom boom long time
12
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Posted - 2016.06.23 11:15:58 -
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all fine and dandy.
WHAT ABOUT CHARACTER SWITCHING WITHOUT HAVING TO RELOG?
https://wiki.eveonline.com/?_ga=1.263942732.1175653019.1457937776
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
926
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Posted - 2016.06.23 16:48:41 -
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CCP nLock wrote:
It is a blue circular refresh icon. If you have restarted the launcher already you should have the latest version though, so it's become hidden. There is a problem with rendering in the launcher, so before current GUI version(1.793) the launcher was causing heavy CPU load. However, now there are no persistent animations and the load shouldn't be anywhere near that anymore.
Ok, I double checked and I do have the latest version (1.973). I did some more playing around, and if I launch my clients, then close the launcher, wait til the clients are fully logged in (meaning I can see the game screen), and then reopen the launcher, utilization stays where I expect it to be.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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CCP nLock
C C P C C P Alliance
11
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Posted - 2016.06.23 17:40:34 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP nLock wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP nLock wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Stuhlmann wrote:You maybe should have mentioned that the launcher forgets every stored account. :/ And how do I reliably add accounts to that "generic list"? I just tried repeatedly to log in my accounts as follows: - Logged in 3 of my accounts individually after this annoying total reset.
- Closed the launcher.
- Opened the launcher and logged one account back in and found that only 2 accounts were logged in, the one I entered the credentials for and another account.
- Logged a missing account back in individually.
- Closed the launcher again, opened it again, entered the same account's credentials as in step 3 and again only found the same 2 accounts logged in as in step 3.
How to fix that? Are you ticking the "Remember this account" box? Of course not. That has not been necessary nor should it be necessary. I do not want the launcher to auto login the accounts when I start the launcher, I want them to be logged in when I enter the credentials of one account. Like it has been for months now and should continue to be. You still have to tick "remember this account" in order to store the accounts that you want logged in automatically. Then you can press logout and the next time you log in, don't tick the "remember this account" box on the account you use to log in with! This is not exactly how it works right now. I have logged in all 3 accounts without checking the "Remember this account (insecure)" box ticked. 2 of the accounts log in automatically when I enter the credentials (Rivr's, of which I enter the credentials, and another), but the 3rd account does not log in automatically. This is a weird behavior and not nearly as convenient as the behavior that I am used to from before this update. Funny thing: If I use the credentials of the account that does not want to auto-login when I enter Rivr's account's credentials, all 3 accounts are logged in just fine. Guess I need to use his login credentials again to login my accounts. And still not used the Remember Account checkbox.
Reproduced. Will post when it is patched. |
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ube smoked
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2016.06.23 18:14:28 -
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Today it forgot an account yet again. The other account was not forgotten. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
926
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Posted - 2016.06.23 18:21:41 -
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CCP nLock wrote:ed to use his login credentials again to login my accounts. And still not used the Remember Account checkbox.
GUI 1.979 is being deployed. Account storing and recalling should now work more predictably.[/quote]
That has also, apparently, corrected my resource consumption issue. Performance for multiple clients is now back to roughly what it was before 1.973 (on my machine). Still not sure what changed, but I'll take it.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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DiDDleR
Skunkdogz Corporation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.23 18:22:02 -
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CCP nLock wrote:
Attention:In some cases, stored account names and settings may be lost and have to be re-entered.
Twice in as many days - I only have 3 x accounts to add into the launcher but I can imagine some folks have a lot more.
Its also relinking the accounts to different profiles for multiple screens etc..
Perhaps next time CCP you can backup the account information before updating the launcher and then restore it after the update?? Just a thought...
DiDDleR
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Brain Gehirn
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
78
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Posted - 2016.06.23 19:01:05 -
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Thanks for trying to improve the launcher! |
u3pog
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
749
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Posted - 2016.06.23 19:18:11 -
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DiDDleR wrote:CCP nLock wrote:
Attention:In some cases, stored account names and settings may be lost and have to be re-entered.
Twice in as many days - I only have 3 x accounts to add into the launcher but I can imagine some folks have a lot more. Its also relinking the accounts to different profiles for multiple screens etc.. Perhaps next time CCP you can backup the account information before updating the launcher and then restore it after the update?? Just a thought... DiDDleR
I did not have problems until these recent updates. The launcher forgot three times all my accounts even though I had checked the tick to remember the accounts. Found this thread now that it forgot everything once again. What's causing this? It's really irritating to add 13 accounts every time, what if I had 50?
Is there a file where account information is being stored? I'd like to backup the information, so if it resets again I could simply overwrite. |
Oxigun
Ascendant Logistics The Otherworld
29
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Posted - 2016.06.24 00:49:02 -
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ube smoked wrote:Today it forgot an account yet again. The other account was not forgotten.
I thought so too but when I logged in at least one of the accounts, the rest populated. I think it's a feature rather than a bug... |
Danny Fondu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.06.24 04:05:04 -
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Blawdy hell m8 |
Aineko Macx
365
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Posted - 2016.06.24 04:27:44 -
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CCP nLock wrote:GUI 1.979 is being deployed. Account storing and recalling should now work more predictably. Negative. Now it doesn't remember any accounts. And if I check the box it remembers but there isn't ANY credentials check on startup. The desired behavior is: On startup, the credentials for ONE account have to be entered, then all accounts are ready.
iveeCore 3.0: The PHP engine for industrial activities and CREST library
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Darkblad
889
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Posted - 2016.06.24 07:19:30 -
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CCP nLock wrote:This has been found to be caused by the animation of the update icon. Since the launcher is using CPU for rendering, the animation has now been shut off. Please press the troublesome icon to reload the GUI. Funny that a similar Icon's animation caused CPU load in the past. That one also is static now. Since quite some time
NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
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CCP nLock
C C P C C P Alliance
12
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Posted - 2016.06.24 09:07:34 -
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Brain Gehirn wrote:Thanks for trying to improve the launcher!
Thanks for staying positive! |
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