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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:24:07 -
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It's been limping along for a while, but it's finally time to say au revoir to the In-game Browser. Read more details on why we're putting it out to pasture and how we'll handle URLs in the client in the future in this dev blog by CCP FoxFour.
CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
@CCP_Logibro
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CCP Alpha
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:40:15 -
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:41:12 -
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o7 Good bye IGB.
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
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Longdrinks
My Wife's Son Play Hard Pray Harder
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:41:28 -
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ill keep the igb and his family in my prayers tonite |
Oliver Ward
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:41:34 -
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Even knowing that it was coming, it's still a hard hit to handle.
Good luck to all the third-party devs out there! |
Alphax45
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:41:36 -
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But the dank memes! Did you think of the dank memes!!!?!?!? |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:42:08 -
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IGB is scheduled to die on my birthday
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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HyperFlareX
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:42:40 -
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Another overlay alternative would be Evolve's overlay.
That said, I'm sad the IGB is going, seeing as we only used it for ingame stuff anyway (and GIFs. Can't forget the gifs!)
DOTLAN, our mapper, etc. Are going to be much less convenient now
The convenience of having a small window that can be quickly managed is not going to be met by a normal browser, which will run in its own window. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:45:35 -
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HyperFlareX wrote:Another overlay alternative would be Evolve's overlay. That said, I'm sad the IGB is going, seeing as we only used it for ingame stuff anyway (and GIFs. Can't forget the gifs!) DOTLAN, our mapper, etc. Are going to be much less convenient now The convenience of having a small window that can be quickly managed is not going to be met by a normal browser, which will run in its own window.
Thanks for sharing Evolve. I didn't know about it.
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
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Obil Que
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:45:43 -
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Prepare the tear bucket!
It certainly will be an adjustment as there is a lot of ease of use in working with third-party software like wormhole mappers, etc inside the EVE client vs. a second screen (if available). Will definitely be trying out how it works in practice to get used to it now. |
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Tweety Bird
Tackled In Belt xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:47:29 -
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Now please get rid of that archaic looking jukebox, FFS CCPlease get with the times. |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:49:07 -
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RIP horrible in game browser.
While you're at it... can someone please fix the godawful way of entering URLs into the dialog boxes? Really want to be able to just select a piece of text and click the URL button and it changes it to a URL... |
Dex Cordell
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:49:44 -
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good-bye opening fittings and contracts ingame from a simple link. hello extra effort with a) rebuilding sites that contained them and b) either finding a user friendly way around it or sifting through the cumbersome ingame interface (for contracts especially).
suggestion: keep the linking functionality somehow preserved in a way where people would copy an ingame formatted link from an external source into some kind of command box and that would open up the item people looked for, fits, contracts...
suggestion, addendum: expand the above to include shopping lists, and possibly more... |
Darkblad
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:54:21 -
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Funk yeah!
over to
%lt;url=showinfo:42225>Capsule - Genolution 'Auroral' 197-variant Palatine Serenity Only SKIN (365 Days)%lt;/url>
NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
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Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:58:56 -
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RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
@dominousnolen
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:00:37 -
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Question: Will opening the link in a new browser kick full-screen clients into windowed mode or will it stay frameless?
I personally always run in window mode, but I know it's not the default configuration. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:00:59 -
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RIP IGB. You were good in your time, but it's time to lay down your burden.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:01:37 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
There is a new CREST resource for tracking a characters location which means that can be done from outside the client and no need for the IGB, :D
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
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Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc Band of Boogers
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:02:35 -
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Please add a CREST interface for create-contract. Like the CCPEVE.createContract javascript call in the IGB
At times I'm doing 150 contracts in a row and it would be near impossible to do without some automation. Even 20 contracts can be a pain if you have a large inventory and have to ship stuff from different stations |
Dex Cordell
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:03:11 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
sheesh forgot about that one, goodbye mapper, dotlan...that's gonna generate an uproar. @CCP: where did you get the usage metrics? there's loads of people who absolutely rely on a variety of ingame browser WH mappers to light their way in a world without maps and autopilot routes. I'll hate being blind past the next wormhole. |
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:03:14 -
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Your list is utterly incomplete. Using market tracker websites as well dotlan are far more widespread and far more important features than whatever you listed in your list. Without the IGB, I am now forced to use an out of game browser for all of that, which means constant cumbersome alt-tabbing around or use of window mode which does require tons more performance from my PC.
And if you do not endorse overlays, you better change that. You remove a vital ingame tool and have no plans or ideas to replace it properly.
UI Improvement Collective
My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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Sered Woollahra
No Fixed Abode Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:03:33 -
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The problem with using an external browser is that it breaks immersion, which can be really jarring. I hope the overlays mentioned can fix that, when the IGB goes.
Wouldn't it be possible to tell the Eve client which external browser to use, and then use that engine as an IGB? |
Kalbuir Skirate
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:03:53 -
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We all knew this was coming, overall I am looking forward to not having to make my stuff support Chrome 3.0 ....
However I do hope that this means that the CREST team will put certain things a bit higher on their priority list than they are now. A lot of very useful features are gone with IGB.
Now I have no idea if the design goal is to bring much of that back at all as having CREST interact with the game directly to do these old actions seems very odd but i'm going to mention them anyway.
My personal wishes would be: - Starting conversations: We currently use this to easily reach out to new players). - Opening mails with pre generated text: We currently use this to answer much asked questions of new Horde members. - Creating Contracts: This feature is/was such a timesaver, a 2.0 feature to fully fill in a contract would be amazing. - Header info: The header info was very useful for analytics as a corp / alliance but I can understand that goes byebye, what is a bit of a shame though is that currently there is no way to see if someone browser is online in EVE. We've used this for some deployment features in Horde. Currently do not see a workaround as location gives last location even if offline (last time I checked).
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:06:22 -
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Dex Cordell wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
sheesh forgot about that one, goodbye mapper, dotlan...that's gonna generate an uproar. @CCP: where did you get the usage metrics? there's loads of people who absolutely rely on a variety of ingame browser WH mappers to light their way in a world without maps and autopilot routes. I'll hate being blind past the next wormhole.
We inserted some metrics a while ago every time one of the JavaScript callbacks was used but also just for every page load, how long the browser is open, etc.
WH mappers don't need the IGB. They can pull your location from CREST.
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:07:13 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:And if you do not endorse overlays, you better change that. You remove a vital ingame tool and have no plans or ideas to replace it properly.
We are not saying you cannot use them, just that we don't support them and if they break... /shrug contact their dev not us.
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Dex Cordell
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:09:53 -
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Sered Woollahra wrote:The problem with using an external browser is that it breaks immersion, which can be really jarring. I hope the overlays mentioned can fix that, when the IGB goes.
+1 this.
Wouldn't it be possible to tell the Eve client which external browser to use, and then use that engine as an IGB?
there's already a few examples of programs using the chromium browser, I'm sure their developers provide means to integrate the engine into 3rd party software with ease, and you wouldn't have to worry about updating that part. Facebook Games for windows is one I use on a regular basis, and I don't think FB is paying chromium anything for that. |
Georgiy Giggle
REFORD Division REFORD
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:11:38 -
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That's a bullshit. Now we will have to minimize eve client to go to a browser to check information that we need during scanning, combat, running missions etc because overlays are not the same as IGB.
-1
Not mastering proprieties, won't become firmly established.
- Confucius
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Postman
EVE Postal Service
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:11:47 -
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CCP once again missed the point completely. Sites as Dotlan and the old EVElopedia are used almost always ingame. First they remove the EVElopedia, then they nerf Dotlan use. Good thing I already cancelled my subscriptions because of vacation, now I have zero reason to come back after.
Here is a idea for the next big thing to remove from the game CCP: the actual client. Its probably to much work to maintain that and using CREST you don't need it anymore anyway, seeing how magical that CREST is. |
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen Grumpy Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:12:07 -
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Overwolf is awful. Anyone who recommends it should be forced to run missions in EVE for their ISK.
--gos |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:12:13 -
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Kalbuir Skirate wrote:We all knew this was coming, overall I am looking forward to not having to make my stuff support Chrome 3.0 ....
However I do hope that this means that the CREST team will put certain things a bit higher on their priority list than they are now. A lot of very useful features are gone with IGB.
Now I have no idea if the design goal is to bring much of that back at all as having CREST interact with the game directly to do these old actions seems very odd but i'm going to mention them anyway.
My personal wishes would be: - Starting conversations: We currently use this to easily reach out to new players). - Opening mails with pre generated text: We currently use this to answer much asked questions of new Horde members.
IIRC mail support for crest is on the way. probably needed for the eve mobile phone app anyway.
Quote: - Creating Contracts: This feature is/was such a timesaver, a 2.0 feature to fully fill in a contract would be amazing.
a better version of this might be "contract templates" similar to saved fittings. and we can already push fittings via crest. so might not be on the too far away horizon.
Quote: - Header info: The header info was very useful for analytics as a corp / alliance but I can understand that goes byebye, what is a bit of a shame though is that currently there is no way to see if someone browsing is online in EVE. We've used this for some deployment features in Horde. Currently do not see a workaround as location gives last location even if offline (last time I checked).
Some of this might be exposed via crest as FoxFour mentioned a few times.
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