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MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 00:33:49 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Two years has not changed the core of eve. Man, you know what jita have own server, do you? Try to think in my direction, that's not so hard. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.06.21 00:36:36 -
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MaxaOhbka wrote:I thought that way, and it still give me feeling, what game might be better in this aspect. You have the ability to organise activities such as the one you suggest within the rules of the game, if you don't like those rules, which allow for the possibility of underhandedness in every player activity, then don't play in the sandbox.
Quote:And with arena it will become same as others? We already have an arena, it's called New Eden. You should also try rereading what I posted as you appear to have missed the salient points regarding content delivery and creation and how Eve differs from the majority of games in that respect.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.21 00:40:58 -
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MaxaOhbka wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Two years has not changed the core of eve. Man, you know what jita have own server, do you? Try to think in my direction, that's not so hard. Yes but Jita is still just another system, in gameplay terms its no more instanced than any other system.
I can see your line of thinking, it isnt difficult to empathise with you, i just happen to disagree with you wholy entirely and truly.
If you want organised ,instanced ,inconsiquential and relativly private pvp, use sisi.
Better the Devil you know.
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Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
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Posted - 2016.06.21 00:56:30 -
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MaxaOhbka wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:less people roam and more people use arenas It's changing a fundamental aspect of the game.
I'm not so pessimistic. I think more people actually come in eve because of it.
Honestly, it is normally dirty chat messages in local that make me come in Eve.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.21 02:29:28 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:MaxaOhbka wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The whole universe is a PvP arena Not that kind of PVP, there is difference. The joy of the whole universe being a PvP arena is that you can organise your own tournaments, it's been done in the past and it'll be done again in the future; what you can't do is stop outsiders from interfering in them, and that is by design.
actually, it's quite easy to prevent outsiders interfering.
host your tourny in HiSec and make sure everyone clear off their killrights first.
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.06.21 02:33:53 -
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No, ive seen what instanced pvp does to games. There is no such thing as fair...not in life, not in war, and not in eve. Someone will always have a better ship, fit, skills, buddy, more experienced, better tactician. You will find a majority of eve players will not go for arena style pvp.
We like the general concept of eve. We dont want it to be more like WoW or whatever the "tweens" are playing these days. We dont want ships with the exact same stats dueling it out while we mash F1. The only controlled environment we want to pvp in, is the one we control.
All this idea does is dumb down pvp into a snoozefest in a controlled environment. If you want a controlled pvp environment you are free to create one. singularity is a great place to set up your own arena. Maybe you should look into it. |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2016.06.21 04:02:33 -
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MaxaOhbka wrote:Why lots of people so afraid any changes. Anything what does not changes with time, eventually die. EVE changes to, I only don't like direction. You see it's all a matter of organization, if arena will work one day at week, will you see changes? Or if it will work one day at month, will it be so scary? I do not say how to do it, I'm more talking about that we are missing.
Respond to what I actually said. You know, the points I made? Do that and I will take you seriously. Kind of like conversations work as adults, I make a point, you reply to it.
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Netan MalDoran
Last Garrison
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Posted - 2016.06.21 05:43:57 -
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Want instanced PvP Arenas? Schedule events on the test server like a mini championship! Doesnt mess up eve, player run and driven, and can still be fun! (Plus no risk!)
"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!
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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
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Posted - 2016.06.21 07:20:29 -
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...be careful someone isn't doing it to YOU.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2016.06.21 07:25:35 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:MaxaOhbka wrote:Yes, not for me and not for you. More peapl in EVE - more money, more money - stronger project. Why do you think CCP made free DUST? "Try to do everything for everyone and you give nothing to no one" You've never run a business, have you? Find your niche and stick with it. You find your niche and keep that as your core, but you eventually diversify to start mitigating risk and adding other profit channels. More specifically you hope that the customers you brought on with the diversified products eventually move to your core niche product as they become more loyal to the brand. Thus building brand loyalty and the all important word of mouth advertising as they tell their friends, coworkers, and random people who ask how great your products are. You clearly has never run a business.
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MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 07:55:07 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You have the ability to organise activities I don't want organise, I want participate in it. |
MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 08:07:03 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:You've never run a business, have you? Find your niche and stick with it. That's not discussion about me. I think CCP actually run a business and I believe they can assess all the risks if they want to, I just want them to want to do it. Belive in them too. |
MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 08:12:14 -
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Sustrai Aditua wrote:...be careful someone isn't doing it to YOU. Ammm.. You better say, - for us. |
MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 08:24:59 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:You clearly has never run a business. Stop that stupid attack. Just relax. All what I want, it that someone in CPP at least think they should discuss this game aspect. That not hurt. |
MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 08:37:31 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:Want instanced PvP Arenas? Schedule events on the test server like a mini championship! Doesnt mess up eve, player run and driven, and can still be fun! (Plus no risk!) They tell me I like baby, and why not. I want candy, prizes, new costumes for the arena, new ships colorings, titels. I can not organize* that myself and you can't.
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MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 08:42:59 -
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MaxaOhbka wrote: Do that and I will take you seriously. I can say same. So, why do they make free DUST? |
RRagedJester177
Barbarian Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.21 12:45:41 -
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In my opinion a arena type system will ruin the aspect of EVE Online Pvp, that's what makes eve different to other MMO's. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.06.21 13:03:00 -
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sounds stupid, join a corp with content creators
FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations | lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2016.06.21 13:56:27 -
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Yun Kuai wrote: You find your niche and keep that as your core, but you eventually diversify to start mitigating risk and adding other profit channels. More specifically you hope that the customers you brought on with the diversified products eventually move to your core niche product as they become more loyal to the brand. Thus building brand loyalty and the all important word of mouth advertising as they tell their friends, coworkers, and random people who ask how great your products are. You clearly has never run a business.
And you don't dilute your brand by turning it into something it's not. Look at what happened to intel when they first put chips in toys a few decades ago.
I've been a partial owner of my company for years. If you don't know about brand awareness and dilution of your image, I hope you don't run a business. |
MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 14:22:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:sounds stupid, join a corp with content creators Well if that was so easy. Content i want may create only developer, not me. |
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.06.21 14:31:58 -
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MaxaOhbka wrote:Lan Wang wrote:sounds stupid, join a corp with content creators Well if that was so easy. Content i want may create only developer, not me.
what?
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MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 14:44:41 -
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As i said, something big new and fun. But not for big alliances for all players. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.06.21 14:50:26 -
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Lan Wang wrote:MaxaOhbka wrote:Lan Wang wrote:sounds stupid, join a corp with content creators Well if that was so easy. Content i want may create only developer, not me. what? Rough translation
Devs should implement specific PvP arenas and their associated leaderboards etc because an entire universe dedicated to PvP just isn't good enough other games have them OP is too damn lazy to use the freedom and tools present in the Eve universe to organise their own or to find other people that have already done so. TL;DR OP should be playing something else.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.21 14:53:30 -
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MaxaOhbka wrote:MaxaOhbka wrote: Do that and I will take you seriously. I can say same. So, why do they make free DUST?
Dust was not free. It was filled with micro transactions. Want a suit you can't fit yet, pay aurum to get the skilless version. And yes you could earn a lot with time, but it was rough. It took me a long time to earn my faction heavy armor bpo. And Dust only profited when a large amount t of micro transactions were added, which made it a bit pay to win. Want an extra 2% damage, pay aurum to upgrade your warbarge (or wait 6 weeks).
As for a supported arena from CCP... It's the alliance tournament and it is well supported. But doing such on a weekly basis dillutes 5th event. Prizes would become cheap and of no value because so many are generated.
Also, you are assuming CCP hasn't looked at this idea. There's been how many alliance tournaments? Plus a few other special ones such as the amarr heir. If CCP wanted it, they would do it. It just doesn't fit in their plans. |
MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 15:32:46 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Dust was not free. No, I mean why do they actually make DUST. Obviously they want more people involved in new aiden. Because yesterday kid play DUST, today he interested in EVE, and tomorrow he lead alliance and telling you - all your citadels are belong to us. But what surprise me, why CCP dont make it in EVE game system, and make as a separate project, despite the fact that they are so close. And I think that is connected with pretty sad story, when developers have tried to add the ability to walk the stations. They still have implemented it, only slightly different way with DUST. But we as EVE players have lost all this functionality. Truly sad if you ask me.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
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Posted - 2016.06.21 16:32:08 -
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MaxaOhbka wrote:In other words, I want to say that developers will find how to do this sooner or later. Maybe it will be in some other project. And when the players screaming that they do not need it, they just lose own opportunity in game.
Well, I think others have been trying to point you this way but the idea is not necessarily in the developers hands. You have every ability to create your own 'arena' wherever you like. The only problem is that it's a party that's open to being crashed by others. So, as an organizer you'd need to plan for that contingency.
There's nothing wrong with the core 'arena' idea, only that what's up for debate is its necessity.
EVE is heavily influenced by player direction and desires. This euphemistically gets called 'content' but in the end, it's just a sandbox where players go have fun.
You can take some part of the sandbox and make some kind of space arena, which is great because it can move around and have different environmental challenges, but in the end, it's just you doing something you want and others joining in.
So, the discussion isn't black and white, it's just you'll have a hard time convincing players that they devs need to do something that players can do already by themselves in their own myriad of human ways of doing things.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
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Netan MalDoran
Last Garrison
238
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Posted - 2016.06.21 17:45:38 -
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MaxaOhbka wrote:Netan MalDoran wrote:Want instanced PvP Arenas? Schedule events on the test server like a mini championship! Doesnt mess up eve, player run and driven, and can still be fun! (Plus no risk!) They tell me I like baby, and why not. I want candy, prizes, new costumes for the arena, new ships colorings, titels. I can not organize* that myself and you can't.
I tried compromising, You said "F*ck you"! Either go play WoW or another bland and average game with what you want, or start working on this
Oh, and I can do 3 things that you stated are impossible.
"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!
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MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 18:31:36 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:I tried compromising Most of people here tell me what EVE capable have arena now. But EVE don't have it, at least it's not so good as it might be. And i don't see the point discuss existing things, because I suggesting improve them further. I prefer discuss how it might be. You think that's too offensive? |
MaxaOhbka
Congress Sisters of EVE EMPIRE OF LIBERTY
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Posted - 2016.06.21 19:00:36 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote: So, the discussion isn't black and white, it's just you'll have a hard time convincing players that they devs need to do something that players can do already by themselves in their own myriad of human ways of doing things.
I agree people like toys they have now, and don't want someone change them. But someday it will happen anyway, i'm just pulling to make it faster. I'm greedy enough to want more sand for yourself. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.06.21 19:04:43 -
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MaxaOhbka wrote:Most of people here tell me what EVE capable have arena now. They're not wrong.
Quote:But EVE don't have it, at least it's not so good as it might be. It does have it, and your opinion of what is good will differ from that of others; you think it's a good idea, the majority of the posters in this thread think otherwise.
Quote:And i don't see the point discuss existing things, because I suggesting improve them further. How can you suggest improvements to something you A: believe doesn't exist, and B: don't understand?
Quote:I prefer discuss how it might be. You think that's too offensive? Your proposal isn't in line with the nature of Eve, CCP could implement activities such as you suggest very easily, instead they've left the implementation for the players to sort out, which is very much in line with Eve being a player driven game.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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