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Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2016.06.20 22:08:25 -
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https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/bidding-farewell-to-the-in-game-browser/
- CCP, your Evelopedia is outdated!
- Dang it, let's shut it down.
- CCP, your browser is outdated!
- We got a lot of work to do. Just shut it down.
- CCP, are you f@#ken serious?!
- Back off, man, we need to make EVE the best MMO ever!
- Okay...
- So, we developed hard to make EVE amazing, and here what's new: we made DAILY MISSIONS for ya and SKILL POINTS for money!! Enjoy! |
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
355
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Posted - 2016.06.20 22:21:18 -
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Given the option of devs half-stepping something crappy that is not needed (evelopedia, IGB, etc) or devs working on core mechanics, I choose the latter.
I say 'good riddance.'
KB
Dum Spiro Spero
Not getting SP for not killing a rat is like not getting ore for not mining an asteroid.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
372
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Posted - 2016.06.20 22:41:47 -
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Since I run dual monitor, one fixed window EVE, the other a standard browser, I can't say I use the in-game one. No impact here, but if you did, sorry to hear about it... Yeah, something else dying.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2016.06.20 22:45:59 -
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KaarBaak wrote:Given the option of devs half-stepping something crappy that is not needed (evelopedia, IGB, etc) or devs working on core mechanics, I choose the latter.
I say 'good riddance.'
KB When you say "core mechanics" - do you mean new ship skins or new hair styles? |
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
355
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Posted - 2016.06.20 23:01:24 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:KaarBaak wrote:Given the option of devs half-stepping something crappy that is not needed (evelopedia, IGB, etc) or devs working on core mechanics, I choose the latter.
I say 'good riddance.'
KB When you say "core mechanics" - do you mean new ship skins or new hair styles? I can only trust that they'll make the right choices with the extra dev time this gives them. While I breathe, I hope.
KB
Dum Spiro Spero
Not getting SP for not killing a rat is like not getting ore for not mining an asteroid.
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Oliver Ward
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
16
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Posted - 2016.06.20 23:50:34 -
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Keeping a browser up-to-date requires a dedicated team. The constant discovery of new exploits cannot be ignored.
The IGB is already badly outdated, and it's an open attack vector for anyone with the desire to actually make an attack, and it wouldn't even be difficult considering how old it is.
Getting rid of it is the best possible choice for both financial reasons and security reasons. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2016.06.21 00:07:02 -
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Oliver Ward wrote:Keeping a browser up-to-date requires a dedicated team. The constant discovery of new exploits cannot be ignored.
The IGB is already badly outdated, and it's an open attack vector for anyone with the desire to actually make an attack, and it wouldn't even be difficult considering how old it is.
Getting rid of it is the best possible choice for both financial reasons and security reasons. You are not wrong - but ironically CCP will use the dev time freed up by discontinuing the browser to continue releasing new poorly-tested "features" which don't match any other game mechanics and introduce EVEN MORE exploits into the game... So still kind of self defeating. |
Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
152
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Posted - 2016.06.21 01:04:06 -
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What they do with the freed up Dev time is neither here nor there, and frankly not in our control.
The only thing I have used the IGB for in years is Tripwire. Hope they can move that over to out of game browsers with CREST. |
Oliver Ward
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
17
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Posted - 2016.06.21 01:41:09 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:You are not wrong - but ironically CCP will use the dev time freed up by discontinuing the browser to continue releasing new poorly-tested "features" which don't match any other game mechanics and introduce EVEN MORE exploits into the game... So still kind of self defeating. Who cares about in-game exploits? The exploits I'm referring to are computer exploits that would affect your entire computer. From simple things such as turning your computer into a zombie for a botnet to life-altering situations such as identity theft and having your bank accounts emptied.
I'd take 10,000 in-game exploits a day over a single out-of-game exploit. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
528
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Posted - 2016.06.21 02:46:33 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:... CCP will use the dev time freed up by discontinuing the browser ... What freed up dev time?
Maybe you should have gone with Dumb Forum Alt as a name instead. |
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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
434
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Posted - 2016.06.21 05:59:31 -
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KaarBaak wrote:I can only trust that they'll make the right choices with the extra dev time this gives them. While I breathe, I hope.
KB
The decision makers from CCP have proven to be the worst ennemies of EVE Online since years : Since they decided not to fix nor improve the game anymore to instead devellop other games (with our subscriptions) which never went on or became unsuccessful for being for console only... Since they annouced "walk in station" and delivered "walk alone in your bedroom wearing a 200Gé¼ monocle" Since they changed the icons and made a clunky new UI no one was asking for... Since they... ah well, why do i lose my energy again...
CCP 2015 : "Fluff is good"
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
515
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Posted - 2016.06.21 06:35:58 -
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As a dedicated Local / Fleetchat Gif-spamer and viewer:
o7 Ingame Browser. You have seen so many things no browser should be forced to see in his life. Eve will be different without you.
You served us well. I will miss you |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
93
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Posted - 2016.06.21 07:03:46 -
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Why not just replace the IGB with a link to a browser of your choice and settings? Keep the IGB icon, make it customizable to choose a browser and be done with it. This way you can access a browser quickly without keeping it open all the time.
I understand the reason behind this but please keep the function of the browser quick access |
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
91
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Posted - 2016.06.21 07:24:08 -
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KaarBaak wrote:Given the option of devs half-stepping something crappy that is not needed (evelopedia, IGB, etc) or devs working on core mechanics, I choose the latter.
I say 'good riddance.'
KB Of course, what we will get is neither. |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
299
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Posted - 2016.06.21 07:26:56 -
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LOL! Given the fact that "devs" around this place is using the term quite loosely. The OP has it right. If it's beyond our bare-bones minimum salary allotment, we cut it loose. If it can be built quickly and cheaply, and painted to look cool, then let's get on it right away!
Here's to the stationary ships! May they sit there motionless and...do whatever! Yay!
Three things set EVE apart...the real EVE, that is...er, was....the notepad, the calculator and the BROWSER.
Like Meatloaf said, "Two outta three ain't bad." Wayttaminnit...Meatloaf SUCKS!
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55512
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Posted - 2016.06.21 09:06:37 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:KaarBaak wrote:I can only trust that they'll make the right choices with the extra dev time this gives them. While I breathe, I hope.
KB The decision makers from CCP have proven to be the worst ennemies of EVE Online since years : Since they decided not to fix nor improve the game anymore to instead devellop other games (with our subscriptions) which never went on or became unsuccessful for being for console only... Since they annouced "walk in station" and delivered "walk alone in your bedroom wearing a 200Gé¼ monocle" Since they changed the icons and made a clunky new UI no one was asking for... Since they... ah well, why do i lose my energy again... I agree and there's a lot more stuff that can be added to that list.
Don't need any Dev's to get rid of things that require more work to update and fix. That way CCP can keep adding useless changes to things that already work in-game until those become outdated and broken.
Thus the cycle continues.
The bottom line is it's all about cutting costs, reducing any type of overhead expenditure and freeing up more space on the server.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Raging Bull Unchained
Signal Lost
1114
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Posted - 2016.06.21 09:29:28 -
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I allready miss the IGB because i don-¦t like overlays. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
227
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Posted - 2016.06.21 09:35:44 -
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EVElopedia was a wiki, so we dropped the ball maintaining the database as much as they did.
A signature :o
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55514
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Posted - 2016.06.21 11:17:51 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:EVElopedia was a wiki, so we dropped the ball maintaining the database as much as they did. Umm, we don't have access to the Database and those pages were locked by CCP. Hell, they even had the page about Epic Arcs locked and when we asked about updating it, a CCP Dev unlocked it allowing us to update it.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1548420-0/page/2#35
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2016.06.21 11:45:48 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:... CCP will use the dev time freed up by discontinuing the browser ... What freed up dev time? Maybe you should have gone with Dumb Forum Alt as a name instead. If you weren't an illiterate buffoon you would have seen that I was directly replying to someone talking about "the freed up dev time" - it wasn't my concept, i was just disillusioning them about what CCP would do with any hypothetical new free time. |
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2016.06.21 11:47:52 -
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Oliver Ward wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:You are not wrong - but ironically CCP will use the dev time freed up by discontinuing the browser to continue releasing new poorly-tested "features" which don't match any other game mechanics and introduce EVEN MORE exploits into the game... So still kind of self defeating. Who cares about in-game exploits? The exploits I'm referring to are computer exploits that would affect your entire computer. From simple things such as turning your computer into a zombie for a botnet to life-altering situations such as identity theft and having your bank accounts emptied. I'd take 10,000 in-game exploits a day over a single out-of-game exploit. The in game browser was pretty limited in scope. To my knowledge nobody ever actually got affected by any out-of-game exploits from it. Presumably they would have sued CCP if they had. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
228
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Posted - 2016.06.21 21:25:14 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Shallanna Yassavi wrote:EVElopedia was a wiki, so we dropped the ball maintaining the database as much as they did. Umm, we don't have access to the Database and those pages were locked by CCP. Hell, they even had the page about Epic Arcs locked and when we asked about updating it, a CCP Dev unlocked it allowing us to update it. http://eve-search.com/thread/1548420-0/page/2#35 DMC Funny, I'd looked up the scan formula and was able to change the data table for hull bonuses to scan strength. They were... old.
A signature :o
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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
300
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Posted - 2016.06.21 21:34:17 -
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Oliver Ward wrote:Keeping a browser up-to-date requires a dedicated team. The constant discovery of new exploits cannot be ignored.
The IGB is already badly outdated, and it's an open attack vector for anyone with the desire to actually make an attack, and it wouldn't even be difficult considering how old it is.
Getting rid of it is the best possible choice for both financial reasons and security reasons.
I'll ^^^^ this. I haven't felt that a lot of the recent choices such as 'trashcanning the wiki' were good for the game or playerbase, but I can understand the need to remove the browser if they aren't going to fully develop it like Firefox, Chrome, etc.
Things such as the Wiki are good for world-building and keeping players interested in the details of the lore, as well as updates on in-game resources such as ship statistics. The browser, however, is a different matter entirely, and as Oliver mentioned, is highly vulnerable to attack these days.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1146
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Posted - 2016.06.21 22:08:00 -
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Eh. I remember the old thread about removing the browser back in 2014 was met with the gnashing of teeth (many miners, haulers, and WH pilots used the browser).
I guess they could make us alt tab, but for sweet Jesus sake, make more audio queues like ore hold full so we can tab back.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
386
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Posted - 2016.06.21 22:08:51 -
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Can't say I use it, won't miss it.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1646
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Posted - 2016.06.21 22:17:38 -
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Please use the official thread to discuss this further. Locked for redundancy.
Quote:17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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