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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33999
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Posted - 2016.06.29 08:57:12 -
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What I would like instead is an Overview animation that makes it sparkle as it appears, but resets my settings every time.
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Top Yourself
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2016.06.29 09:06:05 -
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Rain6637 wrote:What I would like instead is an Overview animation that makes it sparkle as it appears, but resets my settings every time. You joke, but that is what it's like for me now... as unlike the old overview, the new one doesn't support the settings I need. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33999
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Posted - 2016.06.29 09:10:51 -
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Top Yourself wrote:Rain6637 wrote:What I would like instead is an Overview animation that makes it sparkle as it appears, but resets my settings every time. You joke, but that is what it's like for me now... as unlike the old overview, the new one doesn't support the settings I need. What's going on with overview now?
good lord they made the undocking camera apply to station undocks too. Dear CCP, we only have 10 seconds of invulnerability to gain our situational awareness, and at least half that invulnerability timer is consumed by a completely black screen.
Please appreciate that I didn't type that in all caps.
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Top Yourself
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2016.06.29 09:20:37 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Top Yourself wrote:Rain6637 wrote:What I would like instead is an Overview animation that makes it sparkle as it appears, but resets my settings every time. You joke, but that is what it's like for me now... as unlike the old overview, the new one doesn't support the settings I need. What's going on with overview now? good lord they made the undocking camera apply to station undocks too. Dear CCP, we only have 10 seconds of invulnerability to gain our situational awareness, and at least half that invulnerability timer is consumed by a completely black screen. Please appreciate that I didn't type that in all caps. Sorry my bad. I'm complaining about EVE in general rather than this release specifically.
I don't think I can really give good feedback of the issues without making it clear that these issues are systematic in nature. The problems in this release are not restricted to this release. They are not random mistakes. They will keep on happening until the cause is fixed. The cause is not in the code or in the servers. Ignoring it will not make it go away. |
Red Deck
The Tebo Corp
81
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Posted - 2016.06.29 09:22:18 -
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On a scale from -10 to +10:
extra overview tabs... +10 velocity/direction vectors in tactical overlay... +5 wallet balance change popups... +5 no more thrill of the hunt... -8 docking/undocking animations... -1000
I can't believe an animation lasting only a few seconds can really make me feel physically unwell. But it can. It's another step in the wrong direction. Ideally, what I would like to see after getting the permission to dock, is a static screen (which used to be an option) - frankly, a uniform black background would be just fine with me. Animated ships, ads and other movies, docking animations... all that is extremely annoying and feel not only completely unnecessary, but detrimental.
It feels to me like CCP completely fails to understand how little things than make people 'ooh' when seen for the first time get unbelievably annoying when endured for the thousandth time. Moving around a lot, I sometimes dock/undock 200-300 times a day... so I will have to watch the effin' docking/undocking animations 200-300 times a day. EVERY DAY. Who in his right mind could consider that a good thing?
And that response by the CCP dev... man, are you even serious? |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34003
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Posted - 2016.06.29 09:30:59 -
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Red Deck wrote: It feels to me like CCP completely fails to understand how little things than make people 'ooh' when seen for the first time get unbelievably annoying when endured for the thousandth time.
Because conference room game design and the idea sounds good. Perhaps a hint of someone wishing they had become a film director when they grew up.
Form over function, form over function.
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Kremlath
Cayman Finance
4
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Posted - 2016.06.29 09:59:11 -
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Until this fix for the unbroken is removed maybe we should put our heads together and come up with workarounds. So far I've been trying -
a) not docking b) not logging in
A is hard to sustain. B works but, you know, I like to play this game.. |
Kalpel
KBM
108
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Posted - 2016.06.29 10:13:07 -
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New docking and undocking camera views are absolutely awful and makes me sick! please CCP make this optional
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34003
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Posted - 2016.06.29 10:18:01 -
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CCP your Oculus Rift devs can explain to you how bad it is to take camera control away from the player. A pretty simple rule is don't do it. With the docking animation you've created a period where the player loses control of their ship and the camera. With the undocking animation you've caused the camera to have a mind of its own.
The docking animation is excusable but what bothers me is how you've done it elsewhere. It took so long for you to finally realize the camera should remember its zoom after jumping a gate so why would you treat this session change differently? Especially undocking which is one of the most precarious moments in the game.
If you have plans for more super sick camera swivel animations, for anything, please cancel them.
While you're at it can you make the gate jump animation stop grabbing me by the face?
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tango 5
The express tomato delivery service
1
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Posted - 2016.06.29 10:19:08 -
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The new camera is way too fast. It's making myself and other players feel a bit sickly. Atleast give us the option to use the old smooth camera that we all loved. |
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34003
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Posted - 2016.06.29 10:39:42 -
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you should make the complimentary MCT standard at the rate things are going.
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Daandsig
Commercial Street
1
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Posted - 2016.06.29 10:46:41 -
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I would like to see the new docking and undocking camera be optional. Docking makes me a bit nauseous. Undocking takes me out of my tactical view. |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
1053
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Posted - 2016.06.29 11:04:47 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:7 pages in 12 hours and much of it requesting ONE (docking animations - ON / OFF) thing be altered. Our focus with the settings menu right now is on reducing complexity, rather than adding it. Generally, we won't add a toggle for a new graphic feature unless it is too heavy for low-end machines, and even then we'd prefer to tie it to an existing setting. However, your feedback about what you do or don't like about the docking animation can help direct future iteration on it, so if it bothers you, please let us know specifically why. So would undocking warping to a gate (during the invul killing undock animation) and having your ship not visible, camera frozen, not being able to jump or warp off - Be classed as a glich, bug or intended ?
Or the losing of a cyno because while I was waiting for the docking animation and the reshipping animation I was unable to undock and protect my alts ship - Yeah it was only a T1 frigate but if this sort of game play slowing feature is intended to work like this, it really isn't a good feature. For Bob's sake, you can't even open the fitting window, market or anything else for the time it takes for your ship to, "arrive"?
Worst part of this, when you have to relog (3 times so far in 4 hours) to continue your journey, you don't warp off - You just sit on the gate - In lowsec. With the added login time since Citadel, this will lead to Support receiving a lot more - Eve is broken tickets they need to delay 3 or 4 weeks answering because they are "busy". (average support ticket response is around 3 weeks now - and you want to add to that with this un-necessary, unpopular addition to the growing lagfest called TQ)
Normal Frame Rate, around 65 (3 monitors with dedicated GTX 750ti cards), now driven down to 15 on undocking - Dropping to 45 due to the "can't turn it off" and not at all interesting "warp effect" was something I could live with - I'm sorry, I don't have 4 grand to replace my 2 year old computer, just to keep up with the "fluff" effects CCP seem intent on driving some of us out of the game with. We aren't all millionaires that can buy a new computer every six months because CCP like adding resource hogging, time wasting "fluff". I used to be able to run 4 or 5 characters with graphics on high, now i run 3 or 4 on medium and low settings and still get lag spikes worthy of dialup internet and frame rate drops that would be expected using my old 386 with intel onboard graphics. I know my system is not top of the line but a 3.6 quad core, 16 gig ram and 2 dedicated cards should be able to run my characters, as it did 2 months ago.
I know, how about an ON / Off switch for those who want to actually play Eve, not put up with meaningless effects no-one but a Dev with too much time on his or her hands decided we need. (90% of SISi feedback was against this - the majority here is negative, IS CCP LISTENING)
Personally, I would rather have more options in the menu to turn off unwanted effects - Not less.
You say your focusing on reducing menu complexity, which is good BUT for BOB's sake, don't do it at the expense of play-ability of the game. (Don't we have enough timers to deal with already, without CCP adding things like this)
These new animations add nothing to game play and so should be "optional" so those who want to play the game in a fast efficient way can. We should not be forced to wait out timers when docking or undocking, which is basically all this new addition brings to TQ.
I've already dropped from 11 to 5 accounts, I just can't run them all anymore. Seems I may have to drop a couple more if some of these resource hogging effects aren't given ON / OFF options. I don't know what you did with Citadel but, logging in, longer black screen on undock, severely reduced frame rates (All compared to before Citadel), is taking a toll.
Specifically what I don't like - The whole station induced timer thing. The added time to dock reship and undock. The way the camera zooms right out and seems to go in a circle, then zooms to 100% when the timer ends. I could go on but I think you should get the idea - If I have not been clear enough, I don't like the feature, AT ALL.
Eve has enough "fluff" for now, fixing things that are broken would make Eve a much better game. New timers don't.. ..
Suggestion; If you want to add a "boarding animation" Which this seems to be attempting - Make it realistic. Player opens ships hangar, selects ship, walks up to it and boards. THEN you would have something that might be worth adding to the game. (remember Incarna - if your gonna do it, do it right) Again It would need to have an opt in, out option, not everyone wants forced special effects in Eve. Some of us just want to play the game with minimum fuss.
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Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2016.06.29 11:14:23 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:7 pages in 12 hours and much of it requesting ONE (docking animations - ON / OFF) thing be altered. Our focus with the settings menu right now is on reducing complexity, rather than adding it. Generally, we won't add a toggle for a new graphic feature unless it is too heavy for low-end machines, and even then we'd prefer to tie it to an existing setting. However, your feedback about what you do or don't like about the docking animation can help direct future iteration on it, so if it bothers you, please let us know specifically why.
Could you please stop chasing consol crowd and kids? This is EVE, supposedly the most complex game in existence and we like it like that. I think that most of us can handle a bit more options without any issues. Dumbing things down on top of murdering 0.0 is getting to the point where it's not surprising that numbers are dropping like a rock heading for a black hole. |
Viriato Legionis
Bregan D'aerthe
2
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Posted - 2016.06.29 11:21:36 -
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Hi there, my concern is not with the Docking/undocking animation ( likely it will be redesigned), my concern lies in the Serpentis event that didn-¦t come out in time.
I actually spent one day of my holidays to play the expansion, really you notice it wasn-¦t working few hours prior deploying the patch? |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
270
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Posted - 2016.06.29 11:31:47 -
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Sergey Hawk wrote:CCP Darwin wrote: However, your feedback about what you do or don't like about the docking animation can help direct future iteration on it, so if it bothers you, please let us know specifically why.
Because this animation is very annoying. Every release you add very annoying thing:
- dong
- flashing kill confirmation
- intermediate centering before rotation in new camera
- scope video in HQ
- ads in hangar
and now this stupid docking animation! Do you really think that all these crap make EVE better? You are wrong! You are killing the game with these "improvements". Maybe you all need to stop the development of EVE and start practice for Euro 2020? I got more enjoyment from watching how Iceland plays football at Euro 2016 than from playing last 3 months in EVE Online.
Hey, flashing kill confirmation is actually useful to know if you killed the ship or it docked up. Rest are just atrocities that should never have happened. |
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CCP Lebowski
C C P C C P Alliance
732
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Posted - 2016.06.29 11:35:38 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Fighter missile attack is broken - CCP please feedback from the threads you put yourself on this forum. Thanks for reporting this, could you provide more information of the specific attack and fighter type that was not working for you and in what situation? I have been unable to find any issue with the Heavy Rocket Salvo, Micro Missile Swarm, or Torpedo Salvo during testing.
Thanks in advance!
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0
@CCP_Lebowski
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34005
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Posted - 2016.06.29 11:48:10 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:7 pages in 12 hours and much of it requesting ONE (docking animations - ON / OFF) thing be altered. Our focus with the settings menu right now is on reducing complexity, rather than adding it. Generally, we won't add a toggle for a new graphic feature unless it is too heavy for low-end machines, and even then we'd prefer to tie it to an existing setting. However, your feedback about what you do or don't like about the docking animation can help direct future iteration on it, so if it bothers you, please let us know specifically why. Add the docking /undocking camera effect to the Dynamic Center Offset checkbox. I already have it un-checked because of the whiplash track camera effect.
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Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
448
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Posted - 2016.06.29 11:58:53 -
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New patch (today) - New Opportunity - New Hope
12 Seconds from being ingame to actually being able to do anything - black screen 9 seconds from 'undock' to be able to use ship controls - black screen 6 seconds to dock and end the animation (centering helps to reduce motion sickness.. but it must be 100%)
this compares to pre new camera
1 second delay between login screen and being ingame (some flicker of the log in picture) no delay from 'undock' (once in hangar undock is verified, instant ship control and camera access) no delay to dock
Luckily 'logging off' is still instant -> And I was so looking forward tot he the Scope events.
As for past iterations
New camera = bad - loss of clear effectiveness and usability, causing lag for many features (most measurable in hacking) New Tactical Overview = good - added information in a clear way (though not sure why I would ever need a direction and speed vector) New Map = unnecessary to bad - too much 'fluff' detracting form effectiveness and a clear and fast depiction (visual and mental filtering) of the information New Probe Window = Bad - Less clear and transparent in communicating the information. New Scan = Not much of an opinion, not been using it much yet (to be honest, its been deactivated since the moment it hit TQ)
And just an example of how things are often overdesigned and meaningless. I just noticed today, when you click on the patch notes link in the new launcher, you get a radar or sonar ping like animation to illustrate, that you clicked Guess what, when I click on it, the browser opens with the related page
- there was no use to spend time thinking about a ping feature - there was no use in spending time programing such a feature - there was no use in spending resources to implement such a feature - there was no use in spending resources to run a feature - there was no use in wasting time to actually write this and talk about such a meaningless useless thing - and here we are
As another example of how things should/could be; I use ACDSee classic from 1995 to view and organize, customize my pictures. It is fast, effective, instant pre-caching as fast as you can scroll through them, no matter the size. And you know what, the program is 1.43 MB in size - WOW. Compare this to all the new forced programs by window, extra programs with each camera, phone, purchasable and more who all offer less function, with huge resource and disk space costs etc., but what you get are Apple design layouts or imitations, nice color schemes, new and individual (for each manufacturer) icons and options to 'personalize' YOUR layout, all the while ignoring why you actually have such a program.
You get everything but what matters, with a superficial incentive to re-buy ... sounds familiar ?
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CCP Turtlepower
C C P C C P Alliance
372
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Posted - 2016.06.29 12:01:36 -
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Ound wrote: Buying item ISK amount is not Red but White, is that intentional or unintentional change? This is an intentional change, and was documented in the patch notes.
Keep the feedback coming please, we are reading
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Hatori Yumimura
Never Comeback Airline I N G L O R I O U S
1
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Posted - 2016.06.29 12:03:55 -
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12:03 Eve time on the 29.06.2016 still no Event sites. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34005
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Posted - 2016.06.29 12:08:16 -
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The blue heading arrow gets lost behind the icon and brackets. I think the scaling behavior of the heading arrow and icon / brackets is reversed from what they should be. The problem with non-scaling icons and brackets is you lose relative size information, and if you zoom out, an icon and bracket become as big as a citadel. The heading arrow doesn't represent size like the brackets attempt to (ironically stripping the information away with zoom), and I'd still like to see the heading arrow at a distance.
I mean, especially at a distance. Isn't that the purpose of indicating the heading of a ship, because you can't look at it up close all the time?
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Kremlath
Cayman Finance
10
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Posted - 2016.06.29 12:22:07 -
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After 10 pages of 'zomg please kill that docking animation with fire right now', there have been two dev posts -
1) No, we're not adding options to the options menu because that makes things 'complex'
2) A response to one of the 0.1% of posts not dealing the the docking animation.
Pretty disappointing tbh. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34005
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Posted - 2016.06.29 12:29:43 -
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Kremlath wrote:After 10 pages of 'zomg please kill that docking animation with fire right now', there have been two dev posts -
1) No, we're not adding options to the options menu because that makes things 'complex'
2) A response to one of the 0.1% of posts not dealing the the docking animation.
Pretty disappointing tbh. It's actually game balance. They've added a series of Serpentis events to entice you into undocking, but if they left that unchecked you might enjoy undocking too much. Hence the repetitive undocking camera.
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Jimy F
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.06.29 12:29:46 -
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i visit 60 systems; 0 event sites realy not fun 10k point for first container is not very fun, events should be fun right? 10k event points is like abaut 24-30h of doing this sites in max skill ship for newbro low sp toon this suck even more, and reword is a crap (confirmed info from test server), i think 1k for copper/bronze can, that you can get first crap reoword at first day not after 4 days, 5k for secend/silver/, 20k for gold
docking undocking animation is eye torture, any hope for turn off option?
there is no any kind of info in pach notes or anywhere for new items/skins/reward,clothing,
option for getting 4, only mining challenges for character wich have no mining skill and only combat skils is therrible, there should be option like wich doing missions that you can decline chalange once for some time |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
1057
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Posted - 2016.06.29 12:35:49 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Fighter missile attack is broken - CCP please feedback from the threads you put yourself on this forum. Thanks for reporting this, could you provide more information of the specific attack and fighter type that was not working for you and in what situation? I have been unable to find any issue with the Heavy Rocket Salvo, Micro Missile Swarm, or Torpedo Salvo during testing. Thanks in advance! You know, not responding would have been better than the response you gave.
Saying nothing will leave people to make their own decisions where as a poorly worded, ill thought out response ^ just leaves a bad taste.
Out of curiosity, what did you test the heavy rocket salvo on? How effective was it compared to prior to yesterday? When carriers for the first time in their history didn't need to be in a blob (big or small) to be effectively used in PVP..
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
1057
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Posted - 2016.06.29 12:53:16 -
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Jimy F wrote:i visit 60 systems; 0 event sites realy not fun 10k point for first container is not very fun, events should be fun right? 10k event points is like abaut 24-30h of doing this sites in max skill ship for newbro low sp toon this suck even more, and reword is a crap (confirmed info from test server), i think 1k for copper/bronze can, that you can get first crap reword at first day not after 4 days, 5k for secend/silver/, 20k for gold
docking undocking animation is eye torture, any hope for turn off option?
there is no any kind of info in pach notes or anywhere for new items/skins/reward,clothing,
option for getting 4, only mining challenges for character wich have no mining skill and only combat skils is therrible, there should be option like wich doing missions that you can decline chalange once for some time Yeah I just logged in 3 characters, all of which have different sets of challenges.
One was interesting - Complete a Sansha Incursion. I mean seriously, setting challenges an individual character has no control over completing?
An individual challenge should be something an individual complete, it shouldn't require 50 or 60 others. Personally I don't do incursions, mainly because the incursion groups are fairly elitist and don't like outsiders - So there is one challenge it is next to impossible for this individual to complete.
Kill 5 Drifters - Another one that due to the randomness of these "challenges" will be difficult for many to complete.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Rexeva
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2016.06.29 13:19:16 -
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This will be my last post to the forums, since you CCP, really do not give a crap about our opinions.
New players get useless skill books for a while, they already own. This is plainly stupid and spoils the fun. Why give a reward skill book they already own? It shows that you do not test the game with a brand new player or you just do not care.
The recent updated docking camera makes me sick, it's repetitive and utterly garbage. Remove it immediately. Let me disable it, please. Read the thread, NOBODY LIKES IT, period. I am very surprised that the docking camera has not been fixed yet? Do you even read this? I am fuming every time I dock or switch ships. Do really think I will play a game that makes me sick just by looking at it? No fun, no players.
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CCP Lebowski
C C P C C P Alliance
732
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Posted - 2016.06.29 13:25:11 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Fighter missile attack is broken - CCP please feedback from the threads you put yourself on this forum. Thanks for reporting this, could you provide more information of the specific attack and fighter type that was not working for you and in what situation? I have been unable to find any issue with the Heavy Rocket Salvo, Micro Missile Swarm, or Torpedo Salvo during testing. Thanks in advance! You know, not responding would have been better than the response you gave. Saying nothing will leave people to make their own decisions where as a poorly worded, ill thought out response ^ just leaves a bad taste. Out of curiosity, what did you test the heavy rocket salvo on? How effective was it compared to prior to yesterday? When carriers for the first time in their history didn't need to be in a blob (big or small) to be effectively used in PVP.. There seems to be a misunderstanding here.
When someone informs us that something is "broken", it's my job as a QA Analyst to ascertain whether the feature in question is working to the specification set by our designers. In this case, as there was very little information to work with I went and tested each of the 3 fighter abilities that could be relevant to the post, and determined that they are all working exactly as designed (Per the original design and the updated stats detailed in the forum posts and patch notes).
Whether you like/agree with that design or not has no bearing on whether its "broken", but as you don't appear to be the person who made the original post I'm not going to make assumptions on that point. Either way, the fighter abilities are working as intended.
I'm sorry if you think my post is poorly worded and ill thought out, but hopefully this will go some way to explaining why I made the post I did. Thanks again for your input.
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2137
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Posted - 2016.06.29 13:28:43 -
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Kremlath wrote:1) No, we're not adding options to the options menu because that makes things 'complex' I commented to point out that requesting an additional option toggle is not as helpful as explaining why the feature bothers you, because the graphics software team (my team) is currently working on simplifying the graphics settings options.
A different team than mine is responsible for the docking animation, and despite that they haven't posted here, they are reading all of the feedback.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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