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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8428
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Posted - 2016.06.29 17:20:46 -
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Pilots;
We at the Arataka Research Consortium would like to thank Brigadier General Odo Korachi for taking the step of ensuring Upwell and CONCORD support for operations against the Vigilant Tyrannos. It's been a long year indeed of operations against the Drifters, and we hope that this demonstrates renewed empire interest in the anomalies still being researched beyond the Drifters' stabilized wormholes.
The Arataka Research Consortium will be extending its regular SRP to green-lit Drifter-hunting operation in fulfillment of DED requests in coming days, provided use of ARC-supported doctrines and methods. A system for overseeing and green-lighting these operations for SRP will be set up in the coming days.
What's more, we will happily discuss Drifter-hunting methods with any pilot wishing to join us in our Consortium Operations neocom channel. Given the testing involved in establishing influx-fighting methodology, Hive penetration methods, and otherwise engaging Drifters, we can safely say the Consortium Operations members possess the highest concentration of Drifter experience among Capsuleers.
As always, operations in Drifter Hives are on-going. Interested parties are invited to join us.
With thanks, Makoto Priano Arataka Research Consortium Coordinator
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
428
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Posted - 2016.06.30 00:23:58 -
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I picked up this gem from the other discussion board.
I uh... I appreciate CONCORD making a move on the matter, but... When I was calling for attention to Drifter crisis...
No, that's not right.
Everything about that is actually not right, is this some sort of a ritual sacrifice? Have they thought about the potential death toll from this kind of engagement without proper tactics we employ? This doesn't make sense!
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morion
Lighting Build
97
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Posted - 2016.06.30 01:23:03 -
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this gem... |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1231
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Posted - 2016.06.30 04:04:14 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:I picked up this gem from the other discussion board. I uh... I appreciate CONCORD making a move on the matter, but... When I was calling for attention to Drifter crisis... No, that's not right. Everything about that is actually not right, is this some sort of a ritual sacrifice? Have they thought about the potential death toll from this kind of engagement without proper tactics we employ? This doesn't make sense!
On another hand, we can see this as them trusting capsuleers to *figure it out*.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Sinjin Mokk
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
985
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Posted - 2016.06.30 18:33:54 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:I picked up this gem from the other discussion board. I uh... I appreciate CONCORD making a move on the matter, but... When I was calling for attention to Drifter crisis... No, that's not right. Everything about that is actually not right, is this some sort of a ritual sacrifice? Have they thought about the potential death toll from this kind of engagement without proper tactics we employ? This doesn't make sense!
Nothing CONCORD does makes sense if you believe they have the best interests of humanity in mind.
Once you realize that their sole interest in in amassing wealth and power, their strategies make perfect sense.
But we are the criminals?
The Drifters represent a threat that not even CONCORD can defeat. The Drifters don't care about life or society or wealth or power as we know it. This is why CONCORD is so very interested in having us be at the front lines. Because we can contain them in ways CONCORD cannot.
But the Drifters have to be the priority. On a long enough timeline, they are a threat to us that surpasses CONCORD.
For the dead always outnumber the living.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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TomHorn
Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front
276
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Posted - 2016.07.05 14:13:01 -
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They are criminal organisation. Those that align themselves with them should be considered associates of this organised crime syndicate.
Here at the FLMPP we would love , we would love it, to have the severed head of Odo Korachi hanging up on the office wall of our HQ, he is scum. Anyone who can bring us the head of Odo korachi will be well rewarded. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2681
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Posted - 2016.07.06 00:40:34 -
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I am not sure if that organization is criminal or not...
But trusting anything that Makoto Priano offers is the same as trusting a random trader in Jita local. Follow her and you might be ganked or left to die or something like that.
In fact, there is a huge difference between a random trader from Jita local and Makoto Priano.
A trader could be either a scammer or legitimate one (even if they don't usually advertise in local... there is STILL a possibility, even low, but still). But Makoto Priano has already revealed herself as both a liar AND a person without honor.
Any business with such person might cause a serious damage to your wellbeing, and will CERTAINLY cause a massive damage to your reputation.
Stay vigilant, citizens!
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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TomHorn
Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front
277
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Posted - 2016.07.06 01:23:04 -
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Odo Korachi is sociopath , he is scum, no treatment for that.
When the chance arises, we the people are going to have to rise up , take matters into our own hands, bring him to justice. |
Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
49
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Posted - 2016.07.06 01:53:07 -
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I have a theroy as to why the drifters attacked Amarr and killed their empress. They were avenging the sleepers that Amarr killed when they first got immortal soldier technology and after avenging their friends may be open to reason if we can find a way to communicate with them |
Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
691
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Posted - 2016.07.11 00:32:24 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:I picked up this gem from the other discussion board. I uh... I appreciate CONCORD making a move on the matter, but... When I was calling for attention to Drifter crisis... No, that's not right. Everything about that is actually not right, is this some sort of a ritual sacrifice? Have they thought about the potential death toll from this kind of engagement without proper tactics we employ? This doesn't make sense! I should point out that the Amarr Empire remains in a declared war against the Drifters. Unlike the CEMWPA, there are no restrictions on the rules of engagement. Properly trained, equipped, and led capsuleers can accomplish a task with minimal to no losses. Everyone involved in ARC command channels knows my drive to minimize losses in our engagements, however that does not mean I am unwilling to expend lives in pursuit of our ultimate victory.
Forged in the fires of the forth Delve war, I've been to hell, and I'm back for more, so cap the gas and push back the door, turn fuel to fire, let the monster roar.
Retainer of House Sarum
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
444
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Posted - 2016.07.12 16:37:18 -
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Properly trained, equipped and led. Following an offering from what is essentially a gamification system to turn peoples' lives into imaginary points for a reward is nonsense.
And we both know that there will be pilots who will do that. Wrapping it into a "Honor The Empress" blanket is sickening. There are better ways to honor a memory than adding to a death count.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Wrecking Machine.
6032
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Posted - 2016.07.12 18:22:31 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Properly trained, equipped and led. Following an offering from what is essentially a gamification system to turn peoples' lives into imaginary points for a reward is nonsense.
And we both know that there will be pilots who will do that. Wrapping it into a "Honor The Empress" blanket is sickening. There are better ways to honor a memory than adding to a death count.
Honestly, we're experts at killing. There's nothing magical about what you do, Mr Victorian, capsuleers will work out a way to make killing Drifters economically viable, just as we've worked out a way to make money from killing almost everything and everyone else.
The smart capsuleers will certainly plunder your resources for strategies before embarking on their path. The stupid ones... well, who cares about the stupid ones?
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
444
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Posted - 2016.07.12 20:49:15 -
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Ah, I might've spent too much time travelling around the cluster that I completely forgot about the economical viability aspect of the whole affair, how very un-Caldari of me.
In fact, there is no profits to be had from engaging Drifters. Compared to other activities that a capsuleer can take part in, now that I think of it.
All I saw was a news outlet and a government entity charade and fanfare their gamification system that includes such tasks as sending unprepared pilots with their crews to a certain death to "Honor A Very Important Person" and gather "intelligence" that has already been amassed and publicized.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Wrecking Machine.
6032
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Posted - 2016.07.12 21:00:01 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Ah, I might've spent too much time travelling around the cluster that I completely forgot about the economical viability aspect of the whole affair, how very un-Caldari of me.
In fact, there is no profits to be had from engaging Drifters. Compared to other activities that a capsuleer can take part in, now that I think of it.
All I saw was a news outlet and a government entity charade and fanfare their gamification system that includes such tasks as sending unprepared pilots with their crews to a certain death to "Honor A Very Important Person" and gather "intelligence" that has already been amassed and publicized.
If there's no profit to be had from it then I put it to you that this will be a flash in the pan, in any case. Still, I am very surprised that you can't recover anything at all from Drifter wrecks. Do they scuttle before destruction?
But I agree with you that the flag waving and tear wiping aspects are distasteful.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
444
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Posted - 2016.07.12 21:27:49 -
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It looks like they very much do scuttle, or we lack proper equipment. To my knowledge, there's only been one successful attempt to recover the actual pilot which resulted in a short blackout in Yulai and a dispatch of two Drifters straight to a DED station where the press conference was held.
I mean, it is possible to recover some Anikythera devices and even some sleeper-related tech from the "Arithmos" speciman, but these are most likely just stolen by them from somewhere. There are also indices, but they are pretty much just pieces of code.
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1726
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Posted - 2016.07.12 21:50:56 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:capsuleers will work out a way to make killing Drifters economically viable You probably ought to note that you're talking to someone who's part of the organization currently leading the cluster in terms of the development of economically viable methods of Drifter hunting, Pieter.
It's one of the things ARC does.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Wrecking Machine.
6032
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Posted - 2016.07.12 21:57:41 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:capsuleers will work out a way to make killing Drifters economically viable You probably ought to note that you're talking to someone who's part of the organization currently leading the cluster in terms of the development of economically viable methods of Drifter hunting, Pieter. It's one of the things ARC does.
I know what ARC does - and I've frequently complimented them on the mastery of their niche. I'm sure you'd agree that if the ecological nature of that niche changed to make it viable for floods of new capsuleers to take notice then that would lead to an influx of new ideas, perspectives and strategies?
I don't think it's out of the reach of this amateur to remind an expert that brute force cracking of a problem often leads to the discovery of more elegant solutions.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1726
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Posted - 2016.07.13 00:16:28 -
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Brute force problem solving is well and good, if and when you actually have sufficient force to call it brute in the first place.
Given that the majority of capsuleers, for some reason, look at Drifters and then run away screaming instead of investing a bit of time and effort in figuring out how to combat them effectively, it's rather arguable that this is not a case of brute force being applied.
As it stands, there are very few groups bothering to even look at the problem let alone devote time to it. Outside of perhaps some groups residing in space where the Arithmos Tyrannos patrol, nobody else really seems to be bothering aside from ARC.
And at the rate the refining of our own methods is progressing - methods which are entirely available to the public, by the way - we're very soon going to be reaching a point where the only way to get more effective is to start throwing more ISK at the problem... which in some ways defeats the purpose of being economically viable.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Wrecking Machine.
6034
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Posted - 2016.07.13 04:11:46 -
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I'm reminded of anti-Sansha operations, where the ships and fleet comps make it a large investment up front, but relatively low risk business.
In any case, I think that there is a way to go before we can say we've seen the whole Drifter threat, let alone refined the response to it.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1727
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Posted - 2016.07.13 06:36:26 -
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Except, speaking as a veteran of both activities (I really hesitate to call either of them an occupation), the two are wholly different beasts.
Against Kuvakei's forces, if you screw up, with very few exceptions, you will usually have a safety net in the form of your logistics wing.
Against Drifters, it is the exact opposite when their superweapon comes into play. At that point, it doesn't matter how big your logistics wing is; if the discharge from one of them hits you, outside of a few very specific, very un-economically viable circumstances, you are going to be violently separated from your ship and its crew in short order.
The best way to not lose a ship to Drifters is, quite simply, to avoid being hit by that discharge. The methods involved in doing so are not viable below a certain number of pilots - and on top of that, they generally require careful coordination and piloting, neither of which seem a particularly common resource. The slightest mistake can and will result in the loss of someone's ship and crew.
It also means flying ships that are cruiser-sized and smaller - which unfortunately restricts your options quite heavily, because if you go too small you simply don't have enough in the way of defenses to survive the Drifters' main guns on approach - which is why there's a minimum number of pilots required to actually do something. And if you go too big, well...
Let's just say that Drifters are already fairly adept at hitting small moving targets. They don't need you to help them out by flying something with the signature of a Splinterz stadium.
We're not suggesting in the slightest that we've seen all there is to see. Just stating that, at present, with what we have seen thus far, we're about as refined as we're going to get barring some changes in technology.
We have some things that we're fiddling with and going to test tomorrow. You're more than welcome to tag along if you'd like, and see things first-hand.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
692
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Posted - 2016.07.13 08:04:26 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Properly trained, equipped and led. Following an offering from what is essentially a gamification system to turn peoples' lives into imaginary points for a reward is nonsense.
And we both know that there will be pilots who will do that. Wrapping it into a "Honor The Empress" blanket is sickening. There are better ways to honor a memory than adding to a death count. The Drifters attacked Holy Amarr. They attacked and murdered Empress Jamyl. And you want to lecture us on what is the best way to honor the memory of someone? How many Caldari died for their homeworld? How much blood has been spilled because of the promise that 'we will return?' The Amarr Empire remains in a declared war against the Drifters. Like the CEMWPA, in order to entice PMC capsuleers to fight the Drifters, the Empire is essentially hiring them, much like LP and ISK to the militia. I have fought and will continue to fight the Drifters until they are all dead. Their ships destroyed. Their Hives burned to ash. I don't give a damn about points or other incentives, but if it gets more pilots in fleets, then I am all for it.
As far as ARC operations against the Drifters go: the FC team is committed to creating, attempting, and refining methods to fight the Drifters with as few losses as possible. Nothing is stagnant. Nearly every operation includes one or two ships, or a new tactic, for testing. Some of my ideas might be hairbrained, but they all have a solid basis for the belief they will succeed. Unfortunately, the enemy gets a say so in our battleplans. My hope is that we will find an economically viable doctrine to kill Drifters with no losses. I could, tomorrow, bring ships that would for certain survive a superweapon hit. However, the cost would make them an incredibly attractive target to other capsuleers, and put them at more of a risk than just from the Drifters. That said, this is a war, and wars cost lives. I don't intend to waste lives, but I will spend them in defense of the Empire.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
Caldari by birth; Amarr by choice.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
446
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Posted - 2016.07.13 11:50:55 -
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Do I look like I support the Gallente-Caldari conflict?
You know who else died, besides a ruler? Don't you dare lecture me on that, Alizabeth. You don't see me rave over him and others.
I am well aware of what we work on, I am saying that putting an "Honor" wrapped offer before unprepared and uneducated pilots who have more money than common sense contradicts what we spent more than a year working on. I would be less concerned with this if there was an instruction on how do such an impossible feat in a day.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Wrecking Machine.
6035
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Posted - 2016.07.13 15:53:56 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Except, speaking as a veteran of both activities (I really hesitate to call either of them an occupation), the two are wholly different beasts.
Against Kuvakei's forces, if you screw up, with very few exceptions, you will usually have a safety net in the form of your logistics wing.
Against Drifters, it is the exact opposite when their superweapon comes into play. At that point, it doesn't matter how big your logistics wing is; if the discharge from one of them hits you, outside of a few very specific, very un-economically viable circumstances, you are going to be violently separated from your ship and its crew in short order.
The best way to not lose a ship to Drifters is, quite simply, to avoid being hit by that discharge. The methods involved in doing so are not viable below a certain number of pilots - and on top of that, they generally require careful coordination and piloting, neither of which seem a particularly common resource. The slightest mistake can and will result in the loss of someone's ship and crew.
It also means flying ships that are cruiser-sized and smaller - which unfortunately restricts your options quite heavily, because if you go too small you simply don't have enough in the way of defenses to survive the Drifters' main guns on approach - which is why there's a minimum number of pilots required to actually do something. And if you go too big, well...
Let's just say that Drifters are already fairly adept at hitting small moving targets. They don't need you to help them out by flying something with the signature of a Splinterz stadium.
We're not suggesting in the slightest that we've seen all there is to see. Just stating that, at present, with what we have seen thus far, we're about as refined as we're going to get barring some changes in technology.
We have some things that we're fiddling with and going to test tomorrow. You're more than welcome to tag along if you'd like, and see things first-hand.
That's a wonderful offer - I hope it was meant sincerely because I'd love to take you up on it, duties permitting.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2165
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Posted - 2016.07.13 16:46:29 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:That's a wonderful offer - I hope it was meant sincerely because I'd love to take you up on it, duties permitting.
The fleets are more or less public, Pieter.
So, yeah, I kind of think you'd be welcome. Probably so would PY-RE generally, if you wanted to see what we're doing, for yourselves.
Also, why.
Ali fights for the Empire, and I serve Directrix Daphiti, whose loyalty is with the Empire, so there's that, but, even if I didn't ... I kind of think I might be involved here anyway.
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
692
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Posted - 2016.07.13 16:46:37 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: That's a wonderful offer - I hope it was meant sincerely because I'd love to take you up on it, duties permitting.
0200 tomorrow morning. Or late tonight depending on your frame of reference. Formup is Amarr. I look forward to seeing you in fleet.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
Caldari by birth; Amarr by choice.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus.
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1729
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Posted - 2016.07.13 18:00:52 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:That's a wonderful offer - I hope it was meant sincerely because I'd love to take you up on it, duties permitting. Why wouldn't it be?
I will not be in fleet tonight myself as I need the rest after last weekend, but at least one of my pilots will be flying in my stead. I will be listening in on comms and following her camera drone feed, however.
Morwen Lagann
CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar
Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium
Owner, The Golden Masque
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
819
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Posted - 2016.07.13 18:03:10 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote: That's a wonderful offer - I hope it was meant sincerely because I'd love to take you up on it, duties permitting.
0200 tomorrow morning. Or late tonight depending on your frame of reference. Formup is Amarr. I look forward to seeing you in fleet.
I likewise look forward to seeing you in fleet, Mr. Tuulinen if your schedule permits!
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Wrecking Machine.
6038
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Posted - 2016.07.13 18:33:43 -
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It would be nice to see you all again. I'll definitely see if I can manage to make my schedule accommodate this.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Wrecking Machine.
1252
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Posted - 2016.07.13 19:27:44 -
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Wrecking Machine.
6039
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Posted - 2016.07.13 20:57:46 -
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You're not my supervisor.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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