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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.30 18:28:41 -
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So looking for the absolute strongest tank in the game with the following in mind:
1) Can mine but mining ability is a distant secondary; primary is the strength of the tank.
2) The tank is designed to survive as long as possible against a well coordinated, very adaptable burst attack.
3) Speed is of no concern as we will be webbed and scrammed immediately; There are only two concerns: 1) Raw damage sponging ability and, to a much lesser degree (basically to the point of being no concern, 2) the ability to mine.
4) Cost effectiveness: No bling. This really only works if its much cheaper than whats used to destroy it. We want the most tankyness for the buck.
5) Assume all skills level 5.
This ship would ideally send a message to CODE or any would-be gankers in high-sec saying "fuk you scrubs, i'm mining here whether you like it or not and I DARE you to try and stop me." then raising the middle finger while pulling in the ore. The subtext is that it would cost much more to destroy the ship than its worth, and what it takes to destroy is ALOT, and the ship can just be (relatively) easily replaced.
I leave this to the best of you to solve. May the biggest e-peen win. |
Roci Nantes
Spongeworks Ltd. Snuggle Struggle.
14
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Posted - 2016.06.30 18:39:22 -
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First thing, No ship is "un-gankable" and many of these corps have super deep pockets or are funded by someone who has deep pockets. Telling someone to F off you can't gank me, might end with them hunting you for fun.
MSE II AIF II x2 EMWF II
DC II ANP II
Medium CDFE I x 3
Over heated you are talking 110k ehp for around 55mil.. The number of ships it would take to pop it would cost more than your ship. Not by a lot
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
183
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Posted - 2016.06.30 19:12:18 -
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Code don't gank for profit, or to show profitable kill mails, or anything like that. They do it cos they are idiots. They make claims about generating content, or saving the game by making hi sec more interesting, or some other tripe, but they are basically just after easy kills. Reference their alliance tournament failure: they were given a challenge so they gave up. But on the subject of ganking you, they will try to prevent you mining just because they can and want to. As such, if you present them a tougher target, they will just bring more ships. You are basically just gimping your own game by not trying to make as much money as you like. Don't get me wrong, a well tanked procurer or skiff will delay a gank, but if they see you and think you're playing the game in a way they don't you to, they will come at you.
But don't even THINK about buying one of their stupid permits. We don't need to encourage these morons. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12471
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Posted - 2016.06.30 19:12:40 -
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It's not really a trap for them if you're doing what they themselves recommend...
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.30 19:30:20 -
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I've already figured out the best response to CODE which cuts through the bull they would have everyone thinking. I"ve also figured out how I want to personally respond to them. If they want to hunt me, or anyone else wants to, bring it on; it will likewise hurt them more than me.
This post was asking about ships to fit the bill; not discuss any of the above. So far, all the replies have failed in that regard except the first although even that seemed a bit of a weak tank. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2649
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Posted - 2016.06.30 21:36:48 -
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Darthon Zoh wrote:Also, please spell-out names instead of using acronyms.
Admittedly, those are pretty odd acronyms.
Medium shield extender Invulnerability field EM ward field (known to most of the world as an EM shield hardener)
Damage control Adaptive nano plating
Core defense field extender.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12472
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Posted - 2016.06.30 21:46:51 -
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Darthon Zoh wrote: Also, please spell-out names instead of using acronyms.
YMBFJ
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
114
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Posted - 2016.07.01 00:13:28 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Darthon Zoh wrote: Also, please spell-out names instead of using acronyms.
YMBFJ
You're My Boy Friend Joe? |
Maykid Achilles
Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies.
6
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Posted - 2016.07.01 01:00:17 -
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You want something tanked? Something that can take a beating? And can dish out DPS to kill an average frigate or destroyer fairly easy if you have the drone skills.
[Skiff, Tank]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
This maybe over kill but if you are looking to mine and not be 'gankable' a Skiff is the way to go if you are looking for all skills at V Stats on this is:
EHP: 78.7k Drone DPS: 950 per volley
I've survived multiple ganks, including null-sec ganks.
Good luck, Have fun!
-Maykid |
Empire Raider
Spicy Onion Rings
0
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Posted - 2016.07.01 02:21:25 -
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Permit tanking is still the best tank. Stay CODE compliant, miner. |
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Dom Arkaral
Addicted To Chaos Archetype.
516
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Posted - 2016.07.01 02:24:54 -
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I don't know if you know, but ship scanners are a thing
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16558
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Posted - 2016.07.01 02:32:03 -
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[Paladin, ] Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger Imperial Navy Cap Recharger Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Tracking Computer II,Tracking Speed Script
Bastion Module I
Miner II Miner II Miner II Mega Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Hobgoblin II x8
Better the Devil you know.
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
143
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Posted - 2016.07.01 04:07:42 -
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[Procurer, The New CODE] Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
About 40 mil in jita. 117k EHP. 155k EHP overheated. You dont have to omni tank CODE at least not the first time. They use catalyst most of the time. They get wise that you are specced to catalyst though and they will bring minmatar/amarr.
However, fighting them you will likely only encourage them, as it will be something new and entertaining to do. Its not about isk to them, so if they want to mess with you they will regardless of what kind of tank you have to fit on what ship.
Its better to just avoid them. |
Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.01 05:22:03 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:[Paladin, ] Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Imperial Navy Cap Recharger Imperial Navy Cap Recharger Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Tracking Computer II,Tracking Speed Script Bastion Module I Miner II Miner II Miner II Mega Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Hobgoblin II x8
thanks, however this is too blingy. I'm not looking for something ungankable since, as had already been been pointed out despite being obvious, that is not possible. I am, however, look for something very very tanky that will really make them pay for trying to take it out and be much cheaper to buy than what they will need to buy to take it out.
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.07.01 05:27:11 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:[Procurer, The New CODE] Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
About 40 mil in jita. 117k EHP. 155k EHP overheated. You dont have to omni tank CODE at least not the first time. They use catalyst most of the time. They get wise that you are specced to catalyst though and they will bring minmatar/amarr.
However, fighting them you will likely only encourage them, as it will be something new and entertaining to do. Its not about isk to them, so if they want to mess with you they will regardless of what kind of tank you have to fit on what ship.
Its better to just avoid them.
I'm going right for them; right in their front yard.
This fit, although good tank for the buck, falls short in two important ways. 1) Its a passive tank, yes? While I like the high EHP, and that is important, it lacks the burst tankyness I think will be all important in making them really have to put up alot in order to pop it. 2) All said and done, its a pretty small ship and would be fairly routine for them to pop. Despite its good tank for the buck, I'm looking for something with a more intimidating tank that would require them to actually think about how to take it down and then make a fleet special to do that while still maintaining really strong tank for the buck too.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2649
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Posted - 2016.07.01 06:04:05 -
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Get your hands on a high sec Revelation:
[Revelation, veldnaught] Capital Armor Repairer II Capital Armor Repairer II Capital Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermal Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Co-Processor II
Capital Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 3200 Capital Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 3200 Capital Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 3200 Cap Recharger II
Miner II Miner II Miner II Siege Module II [empty high slot]
Capital Processor Overclocking Unit II Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I [empty rig slot]
Tanks 25284 as long as cap boosters hold out. Presumably that's enough burst tank for you? 926,752 EHP to chew through on top of it. No bling, naturally, as requested. |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
482
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Posted - 2016.07.01 09:58:08 -
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Darthon Zoh wrote:I'm going right for them; right in their front yard.
This fit, although good tank for the buck, falls short in two important ways. 1) Its a passive tank, yes? While I like the high EHP, and that is important, it lacks the burst tankyness I think will be all important in making them really have to put up alot in order to pop it. 2) All said and done, its a pretty small ship and would be fairly routine for them to pop. Despite its good tank for the buck, I'm looking for something with a more intimidating tank that would require them to actually think about how to take it down and then make a fleet special to do that while still maintaining really strong tank for the buck too.
I've been reading up on your research since yesterday. You seem to be falling into the same logical trap that many a highsec miner couldn't avoid: you have made an assumption, but somehow turned it into an undeniable dogma in your mind, so now you want the forums to validate your assumprion, regardless of whether it is true or not.
The truth here is: not only do the New Order and the Code not mind your tanking up your mining vessel - they encourage it. Hence, your act would be somewhat similar to demonstratively driving back and forth in front of a traffic control checkpoint while following all the driving rules: "Yeeeeah, you see that? I'm following the rules, so you won't ticket me! Fuk da poleec!"
Besides, the things you are asking for effectively contradict each other. I believe, it stems from your ignorance of some fundamental principles of highsec ganking. The Procurer is actually the king of tank among mining barges. While outmatched by the Skiff in terms of EHP, it is roughly 10 times cheaper than its T2 counterpart. Besides, 115 thousand EHP is by no means a "routine" thing to pop - 10 T2 Catalysts at the very least - which means that destroying a fully tanked Proc will take 5 times as much resources as one needs to fit the said Proc (and I'm not even taking the miner's insurance payout into account).
However, you are, indeed, correct in assuming that a cheap and tanky vessel is an extremely unattractive target for gankers. The Procurer is arguably the least ganked mining barge in highsec - which is fine for us, given the downsides of this line of barges in terms of yield and the amount of time between ore refills. To atrract a decently sized gank fleet, you will have to commit something which could potentially give some good loot or an expensive killmail. Simply put, the bling you don't want to use is required. Otherwise, a 10-man ganking fleet will just find a less Code-compliant citizen to enforce the Code upon instead of paying you the attention you crave.
Finally, the passive tank vs. the active tank issue. Given the nature of suicide ganking, the gank fleet can't just disengage from the gank and return to the station safely. If we haven't managed to get through, our ships are wasted. Hence, every commander of a fleet that large will double-check the target's tank before undocking. They use EFT, too, so, if you have a very strong active tank, they'll take that into account as well. And it is always cheaper to fit a great passive tank than a great active tank, and the latter will never do without the former anyway. With CONCORD serving as a buffer, favouring active tank over passive is a complete waste: you go active when you want to sustain damage for prolonged periods of time, while the longest gank possible only lasts 25 seconds.
If you want to set a trap, try placing your mining barge near an Orca of yours and pulling a tanky combat ship after the gankers have started shooting at you. Alternatively, you can place a cloaked Falcon near your barge and jam the unsuspecting attackers. But, again, there's no guarantee that the fleet doesn't have the contingency plan for these scenarios.
So I will agree with those here saying that your best tank is the mining permit tank and a grain of common sense tank.
Fly compliant o7 |
The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
184
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Posted - 2016.07.01 11:36:42 -
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See? Now look what you did!
Although, this particular moron wasn't actually being too moronic. He says use a procurer. Every other sensible suggestion has been use a procurer. Use a damn procurer. Or do something more interesting.
But I repeat: don't ever buy a permit. Code are nearly as bad as marmite and p i r a t for given pvp a bad name. |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
143
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Posted - 2016.07.01 12:58:22 -
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Darthon Zoh wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:[Procurer, The New CODE] Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
About 40 mil in jita. 117k EHP. 155k EHP overheated. You dont have to omni tank CODE at least not the first time. They use catalyst most of the time. They get wise that you are specced to catalyst though and they will bring minmatar/amarr.
However, fighting them you will likely only encourage them, as it will be something new and entertaining to do. Its not about isk to them, so if they want to mess with you they will regardless of what kind of tank you have to fit on what ship.
Its better to just avoid them. I'm going right for them; right in their front yard. This fit, although good tank for the buck, falls short in two important ways. 1) Its a passive tank, yes? While I like the high EHP, and that is important, it lacks the burst tankyness I think will be all important in making them really have to put up alot in order to pop it. 2) All said and done, its a pretty small ship and would be fairly routine for them to pop. Despite its good tank for the buck, I'm looking for something with a more intimidating tank that would require them to actually think about how to take it down and then make a fleet special to do that while still maintaining really strong tank for the buck too.
This is why you should NOT mess with CODE. They understand pvp mechanics and you do not. You are at a severe disadvantage.
First its not a passive tank, its a buffer tank which is probably the most popular( or was until ancillary reppers came out) pvp tank. Two, having a burst tank does you no good. All they have to do is break your tank, which can easily be done with overwhelming DPS. Your going to need to tank a couple of thousand DPS a second on a smaller ship at bare minimum for 10-20 seconds at least. and if you bring a big one, your going to tank even more because they will just bring more people.
Your entire goal is to last longer than the assault on your tank, which a burst tank will not do since your going to receive massive alpha damage. The best tank is a buffer tank. It will allow you to last the longest. and you only have to last long enough for concord to show up and start popping them( though you could use drones to pop them as well).
Also posting in the forums and then putting "CODE" in the thread title you already alerted them to your intentions, Not that other people have tried similar things to you already.
As i said the best way to deal with code is to avoid them. Sometimes the only way to win, is to refuse to play. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
1045
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Posted - 2016.07.01 13:19:06 -
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get an alt and sit in a 0 isk venture with a max tanked hauler sat next to it... more tank in that than any mining ship....
No Worries
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.01 13:44:40 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Get your hands on a high sec Revelation:
[Revelation, veldnaught]
Tanks 25284 as long as cap boosters hold out. Presumably that's enough burst tank for you? 926,752 EHP to chew through on top of it. No bling, naturally, as requested.
Hey I like this one; its about the only useful thing anyone has replied with so far in terms of actually answering thing initial question....however its just a bit too expensive for me to spam. Capital ships are out for the moment. |
The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
184
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Posted - 2016.07.01 13:54:00 -
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Ok, now I KNOW you're a troll... |
Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2016.07.01 13:58:57 -
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[Procurer - Cat tank] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Thermal Dissipation Field II Limited Thermal Dissipation Field I Kinetic Deflection Field II Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Whatever Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
110,143 EHP against kin/therm firing Catalysts. Still max yield. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1280
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Posted - 2016.07.01 14:04:00 -
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What about the good old Rokh?
Rokh:
8x mining lazor II
medium should booster II, shield boost amplifier II, 2x invuln II, EM amplifier II, heavy cap booster II
2x mining lazor upgrade II, damage control, 2x co-processor II
Sit next to a depot, switch all mining lazors with heavy neutron blaster II, the lazor upgrades with mag-stabs, the co-processors with tracking enhancer II, remove medium shield booster II with 2x x-large ancillery booster and the heavy cap booster with a scram, the em amplifier with a web = win.
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.01 14:16:45 -
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Darthon Zoh wrote:[quote=Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri]
I've been reading up on your research since yesterday. You seem to be falling into the same logical trap that many a highsec miner couldn't avoid: you have made an assumption, but somehow turned it into an undeniable dogma in your mind, so now you want the forums to validate your assumprion, regardless of whether it is true or not.
blahblahblah
If you read my "research" in the 5th post here you would have seen I've already figured out how to beat CODE at their own game regardless of how you, or anyone, else tries to spin it. It's really very simple and I'm not looking for verification of it as you would have others think. But just to be perfectly clear I am not fooled by what you or any of them would say, and you can call this a mental dogma or use w/e other warped language you want, but you compared what I'm preparing to do with just playing by their rules which would only be true if part of their rules is to make them lose and lose badly every time they are met...and if that is the case then I am MORE than fine with that. However, I'm pretty sure no one makes rules for themselves that deliberately set themselves up for such failure, humiliation and loss even if it suits their purposes to make others think they do. Likewise, I actually hope CODE reads this and plans out exactly how many ships they have to lose because of me; the idea that they know they will lose in advance is will make it like losing twice in their minds. The builds I"m looking for will be much cheaper than w/e they need to pop it no matter how much time they have to think about it.
I hope that answers your "concerns" but, if not, keep them to yourself. My one and only question is also very simple and can be found in my first post alone.
So all posters please keep your replies to ship fits that satisfy the conditions of the original post with perhaps the additional stipulations of being under a capital ship and tougher than a barge/exhumer (although I do like the efficiency of the procurer and may go with that in addition to the ultimate answer to my question). I'm looking for ship fits and maybe discussion about how good the fits are for their intended purposes; not philosophical rants or elaborate spread of CODE propaganda. |
Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.01 14:21:58 -
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
I've been reading up on your research since yesterday. You seem to be falling into the same logical trap that many a highsec miner couldn't avoid: you have made an assumption, but somehow turned it into an undeniable dogma in your mind, so now you want the forums to validate your assumprion, regardless of whether it is true or not.
blahblahblah
If you read my "research" in the 5th post here you would have seen I've already figured out how to beat CODE at their own game regardless of how you, or anyone, else tries to spin it. It's really very simple and I'm not looking for verification of it as you would have others think. But just to be perfectly clear I am not fooled by what you or any of them would say, and you can call this a mental dogma or use w/e other warped language you want, but you compared what I'm preparing to do with just playing by their rules which would only be true if part of their rules is to make them lose and lose badly every time they are met...and if that is the case then I am MORE than fine with that. However, I'm pretty sure no one makes rules for themselves that deliberately set themselves up for such failure, humiliation and loss even if it suits their purposes to make others think they do. Likewise, I actually hope CODE reads this and plans out exactly how many ships they have to lose because of me; the idea that they know they will lose in advance is will make it like losing twice in their minds. The builds I"m looking for will be much cheaper than w/e they need to pop it no matter how much time they have to think about it.
I hope that answers your "concerns" but, if not, keep them to yourself. My one and only question is also very simple and can be found in my first post alone.
So all posters please keep your replies to ship fits that satisfy the conditions of the original post with perhaps the additional stipulations of being under a capital ship and tougher than a barge/exhumer (although I do like the efficiency of the procurer and may go with that in addition to the ultimate answer to my question). I'm looking for ship fits and maybe discussion about how good the fits are for their intended purposes; not philosophical rants or elaborate spread of CODE propaganda.
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.01 14:41:22 -
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elitatwo wrote:What about the good old Rokh?
Rokh:
8x mining lazor II
medium should booster II, shield boost amplifier II, 2x invuln II, EM amplifier II, heavy cap booster II
2x mining lazor upgrade II, damage control, 2x co-processor II
Sit next to a depot, switch all mining lazors with heavy neutron blaster II, the lazor upgrades with mag-stabs, the co-processors with tracking enhancer II, remove medium shield booster II with 2x x-large ancillery booster and the heavy cap booster with a scram, the em amplifier with a web = win.
Based on what I've seen elsewhere, I'm surprised no one mentioned a Rokh yet with its potential for very high EHP and even a history of being used as a miner. Thank you and thats an interesting strat with the depot too. A few questions though: 1) do you think this active tank is better over a short duration than a passive/buffer variation given the fight will likely be 20-25 seconds? 2) is there any point to sram/web given that once they attack concord will do the work for me? likewise same question for equipping weapons? 3) mobile depots can be attacked by players without concord action so I think this would be the first thing they would go for and wouldn't need any preparation to do so. would you still advise using this and, if so, why? |
Dom Arkaral
Addicted To Chaos Archetype.
517
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Posted - 2016.07.01 15:07:57 -
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@op I don't think you realize "ungankable" ships don't exist. Everything can be ganked, especially if you make yourself a target
But hey, keep thinking you outsmarted CODE., you're exactly where they want you to be, and making the posts they already saw a million times.
And last advice, never turn down good advice... Especially if comes from your opponents
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r
Gł+Montreal EVE Meet Organiser
Gł+Come talk in the ingame chan "EVE Montreal" for more info or just to chill!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16566
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Posted - 2016.07.01 15:22:58 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:Ok, now I KNOW you're a troll... hmmm , id opt for option B : dumbass
Better the Devil you know.
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.07.01 15:23:34 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:@op I don't think you realize "ungankable" ships don't exist. Everything can be ganked, especially if you make yourself a target But hey, keep thinking you outsmarted CODE., you're exactly where they want you to be, and making the posts they already saw a million times. And last advice, never turn down good advice... Especially if comes from your opponents
I want to be ganked; can you read? And yes I did outsmart CODE, wasn't that hard. Now its just a question of "By how much did I outsmart them?" Hence the question about the best tank for the buck fits regarding which you did not offer a single suggestion so...you fail and can be ignored. Bye. |
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