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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34078
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Posted - 2016.07.01 23:14:18 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:even if i got one injector per account i would still be in the negative for what i bought and what i actually injected. in fact i would be in the hole enough to supply another injector or two. some players have injected all the way to 500 mil sp. from start. Those alone would probably nearly cover everyone in jita right now.
So i think its safe to say that ccp will of "created" less sp than was lost since skill injectors came out with this. Injector SP efficiency loss is a drawback to prevent us from freely remapping characters. It's not meant to be a justification for CCP spawning them at will.
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1971
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Posted - 2016.07.01 23:33:19 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Market discussion: Will giving a Skill Injector to each account #rek the Skill Injector market?
Yes
How much?
A lot probably.
/thread
so now can we continue with this one That's a giant ball of assumptions about the number of those that even hit the market on top of their effects.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34078
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Posted - 2016.07.01 23:42:48 -
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Make your own market thread about the impact of SKill Injectors on market, don't hijack mine thanks
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1971
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Posted - 2016.07.02 00:14:37 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Make your own market thread about the impact of SKill Injectors on market, don't hijack mine thanks I suppose I was confused by your earlier statement on the matter of economic effects in 2 posts at that point and the balance of currencies (PLEX/AUR). I took your discussion on the matter to mean you thought those effects somehow related.
I guess they aren't now?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34078
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Posted - 2016.07.02 00:42:27 -
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They have an effect and that's why instead of Skill Injectors, we should receive Unallocated. Especially if a lot of players will use the item anyway like you suggest.
Exactly how much of an impact dev hacked Skill Injectors will have on the market is a different discussion.
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1971
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Posted - 2016.07.02 01:01:46 -
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Rain6637 wrote:They have an effect and that's why instead of Skill Injectors, we should receive Unallocated. Especially if a lot of players will use the item anyway like you suggest.
Exactly how much of an impact dev hacked Skill Injectors will have on the market is a different discussion, and yes you are confused. Just because you go off on a market tangent when I mention the word market doesn't mean this thread needs to be moved to market discussions. I never suggested it did need moved, just that you related the market effect to the reason the gift should be SP rather than injectors (which, as a side note, doesn't really mesh with the first part of your op). Also 1 sentence on the topic in direct response to you is a tangent?
Sure, I can agree that free SP > injectors for most cases. |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
346
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Posted - 2016.07.02 01:22:32 -
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C'mon maaaaaaaaaan.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
145
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Posted - 2016.07.02 02:49:27 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:even if i got one injector per account i would still be in the negative for what i bought and what i actually injected. in fact i would be in the hole enough to supply another injector or two. some players have injected all the way to 500 mil sp. from start. Those alone would probably nearly cover everyone in jita right now.
So i think its safe to say that ccp will of "created" less sp than was lost since skill injectors came out with this. Injector SP efficiency loss is a drawback to prevent us from freely remapping characters. It's not meant to be a justification for CCP spawning them at will.
You are very aggressive and confrontational. I am glad you are all knowing, since injectors seem more like a skill sink to me, than some type of remap penalty.
Also, just FYI, CCP doesnt need justification for anything they do in their game. IF they want to make fluffy pink space bunnies that fly around and zap SP out of random people and inject it into others, thats their call. If they want to hand out skill injectors to celebrate, that is their call. If they want to make a goon cry, that is also their call. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34079
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Posted - 2016.07.02 04:19:10 -
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No one is crying doofus. If you're okay with it, that's cool. I asked the question, hey, are people sure they're okay with Skill Injectors being handed out. But don't try to tell me it's okay because they're not totally efficient.
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
548
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Posted - 2016.07.02 04:34:32 -
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KaarBaak wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Market discussion: Will giving a Skill Injector to each account #rek the Skill Injector market?
Yes
How much?
A lot probably.
/thread
so now can we continue with this one So, if it's not about the market, then what's the big deal? Some folks get isk...some get sp. Sounds like a win-win. (or is it a win-win-win?) No...No...definitely just a win-win. KB No, there will be no win.
The only realistic outcome is a loss for Iceland.
No net effect on New Eden (unless an upset dev turns on new AI for all NPCs by 'accident') |
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34080
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Posted - 2016.07.02 06:00:52 -
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some of the greatest sports movies are about underdogs who come out of nowhere.
Mighty Ducks
Miracle
COOL RUNNINGS
well the Jamaicans didn't win in that one but it was a damn good movie
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1756
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Posted - 2016.07.02 06:09:53 -
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John Candy for the win! So sad 'uncle Buck' is no longer among us. |
Tao Dolcino
EVE University Ivy League
504
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Posted - 2016.07.02 06:14:49 -
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Everything is "out of thin air" as soon as you can buy with real money as many accounts as you want and grow alts you never play to sell them or sell SP. Same with PLEX for ISK. There are casual gamers like me who won't invest more than 15Gé¼ / month for a game, either because they can't or don't wish to. And there are people ready to invest tons of real money in order to get an edge in game. EVE has always been like that by nature : pay to win. I don't like it, but i live my little life of small player and have fun out of it, so in my perspective, i win too without giving fortunes away. Also, when you extract ore from asteroids who will respawn, or bounty or loot from NPCs who will respawn, it's also "out of thin air".
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
820
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Posted - 2016.07.02 09:01:18 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I just want to make sure we're all in agreement that it's okay to create SP from thin air, RE: the reward for Iceland winning the Euro football championship (go Iceland, yay football!)
OR will the Injectors be bought from the market using seized funds, in order to preserve the market instead of trampling it?
If the plan is to magick the Injectors into everyone's redeeming queue and we're okay with it, that means we've completely dropped the original reasoning that all SP will be generated by subscribed players. And I'm just curious if that has finally happened.
May I suggest giving 500k unallocated to each account instead? I guess the difference is your intent. Do you want me to have 500k SP, or do you want me to have an Injector.
I won't get more than 150k per Injector on my characters, so I would receive more benefit from 500k unallocated.
More importantly, there's the market supply to preserve. With 500k unallocated, you'd be giving us a free week of SP but we'd still have to consume an Extractor to put the free SP to market. It would be a lot more stable than a sudden flood of Injectors ready to sell.
Thanks.
Seized assets from banned accounts = trampling the market. Banned accounts are no longer part of the economy and so reinjecting their material or noncapital value back in to the game is essentially the same as handwaving stuff in.
We're not talking about deceased estates here we're talking about digital assets that functionally stop existing when the owner leaves the game. Someone quitting does not have an impact on the economy beyond the tiny vacuum they leave behind. |
DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
61
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Posted - 2016.07.02 11:50:50 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:even if i got one injector per account i would still be in the negative for what i bought and what i actually injected. in fact i would be in the hole enough to supply another injector or two. some players have injected all the way to 500 mil sp. from start. Those alone would probably nearly cover everyone in jita right now.
So i think its safe to say that ccp will of "created" less sp than was lost since skill injectors came out with this. Injector SP efficiency loss is a drawback to prevent us from freely remapping characters. It's not meant to be a justification for CCP spawning them at will.
There is a isk cost associated with using these. Okay assuming the "Resell" value was close to the actual value (around 450 mil) then people might do this. But the cost would still be 210 mil per 500k and that is quite expensive for a remap.
I honestly think they are doing this to give a SP drain in the game, old players who are stuck in doing what they want to do can use the extractors and keep only what they want/need... They might end up down in the 100-150 mil range (vs 200+) and new players will say to themselves "Well, The pro only has 100 mil, I have 9 million, its not so bad" I could be wrong on this.
Plus it's a huge money grab, the idea being that old pro's will buy PLEX to extract, New players will buy PLEX isk out on for bumping accounts with injectors.
I still don't object, It is a gift from CCP to everyone - thus it doesn't really give any huge advantage to one person over another. Resllers and SP Farmers will get hit by this, but they are not part of the core market on either side so CCP probably doesn't give that much consideration. |
eddie valvetino
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
217
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Posted - 2016.07.02 13:05:49 -
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only in eve do you get so many people whining about a free thing
sort your ******* lifes out.
2 points really.
1. Awesome something free yay!!! 2. Iceland are not going to win
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Daerrol
Death By Design Did he say Jump
307
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Posted - 2016.07.02 14:02:38 -
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more likely than not this woudl increase demand for SP injectors as people like me who have never bothred with them become addicted and begin liquidating out assets to buy more. |
Kukaryamba
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2016.07.02 17:58:51 -
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People complaining about free stuff.
/thread |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55599
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Posted - 2016.07.03 02:03:32 -
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Well, the question of whether we get a free gift or not is moot since it'll happen regardless of what we say. When getting free gifts from CCP, those gifts should be equally beneficial to all characters.
As for a choice of getting a Skill Injector or straight 500k skillpoints, I'll take the SP's every time.
Why, because my character has over 150 mill SP's and I'll just get ripped off if I use an Injector compared to somebody who only has 1 mill SP's.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
151
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Posted - 2016.07.03 03:42:32 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Well, the question of whether we get a free gift or not is moot since it'll happen regardless of what we say. When getting free gifts from CCP, those gifts should be equally beneficial to all characters.
As for a choice of getting a Skill Injector or straight 500k skillpoints, I'll take the SP's every time.
Why, because my character has over 150 mill SP's and I'll just get ripped off if I use an Injector compared to somebody who only has 1 mill SP's.
DMC
Free injector, Free 500k sp, Free Vanquisher BPO( HINT HINT CCP), Im happy with any free gifts. |
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
554
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Posted - 2016.07.03 05:33:30 -
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Rain6637 wrote:some of the greatest sports movies are about underdogs who come out of nowhere.
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COOL RUNNINGS
well the Jamaicans didn't win in that one but it was a damn good movie Yes, a 'COOL ICELAND' movie could come out of this :)
Same outcome. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34090
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Posted - 2016.07.03 06:18:49 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Rain6637 wrote:some of the greatest sports movies are about underdogs who come out of nowhere.
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COOL RUNNINGS
well the Jamaicans didn't win in that one but it was a damn good movie Yes, a 'COOL ICELAND' movie could come out of this :) Same outcome. yeah but they have ice and cold weather so it would have to be a warm weather sport where you wouldn't expect them to field a team like
football?
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13263
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Posted - 2016.07.03 11:24:31 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Rain6637 wrote:some of the greatest sports movies are about underdogs who come out of nowhere.
...
COOL RUNNINGS
well the Jamaicans didn't win in that one but it was a damn good movie Yes, a 'COOL ICELAND' movie could come out of this :) Same outcome. yeah but they have ice and cold weather so it would have to be a warm weather sport where you wouldn't expect them to field a team like football? They have these covered hall football fields. They have seen that in Norway and build some in Iceland.
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7566
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Posted - 2016.07.03 17:06:32 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:Are ppl gonna cry and complain about magic sp every time CCP give out a handfull for server down time?
Actually, I'm a staunch supporter of CCP giving nobody anything at all for server problems. As per the EVE Online EULA:
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula-en/
TL;DR - CCP owe you nothing if **** happens, and at the end of the day, as soon as they open 'pandora's box', so to speak, there's no putting it back. Now, typically, everyone EXPECTS something to be given to them when **** goes wrong. In simpler terms, it breeds entitlement, where there is no entitlement to be had.
Also, hullo everyone. I'm back.
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Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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Primary This Rifter
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1201
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Posted - 2016.07.03 20:07:54 -
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Kukaryamba wrote:People complaining about free stuff.
/thread It's not that they're saying "this free stuff isn't what I wanted", it's that they're saying it shouldn't be free or given out at all.
If CCP said "we'll give every account a titan" would you be in threads like this saying "lol people complaining about free stuff"? Probably not. Or maybe you would, idk. But you'd draw the line somewhere. |
Primary This Rifter
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1201
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Posted - 2016.07.03 20:08:45 -
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And yeah I've said before that CCP giving out SP for minor server downtimes is dumb and only increases entitlement. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
1118
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Posted - 2016.07.03 20:16:15 -
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Looks like we have nothing to worry about. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34091
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Posted - 2016.07.03 22:09:52 -
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Well. I believed. I just wanted to see CCP do the most correct thing.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2342
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Posted - 2016.07.05 01:13:52 -
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We need the Raggi Sig scanner probe.
EvE security zones in pictures
EvE quick reference sheet pdf
Smoke me a Kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
63
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Posted - 2016.07.05 11:38:49 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Well. I believed. I just wanted to see CCP do the most correct thing.
I just wanted some free junque |
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