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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.03.06 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 06/03/2007 06:35:25
First off, I would like to congratulate tiller on becoming the number 1 pirate in EVE.
Secondly, this is a very poor form by the guy hosting the image. I think its a clear case of harassment (changing the image and then asking for a ban). Hopefully CCP will take a closer look at the situation and do the right thing.
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Jayson Lee
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Posted - 2007.03.06 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: vonakaNBuster its sad to see such a *** gone, even tho i only have met the guy a couple of time, i think thats ******* lame of the person that did that, its a ******* game, if you get blown up, life with it, it happens to anyone of us, but doing such things, you actually ruin a part of a mans life, wich is unacceptable imo.
hope the GM's will look into it, and unban ginger, as i love his arrogance :)
hey tiller btw
voanaknbuster
Am I the only one that sees the irony here? First off you bash the guy because he gets mad about a game, then you go on to say how this guy ruined a part of gingers life. WTF. If as you say its just a game then why fee sorry for ginger? The guy got back at him the only way he could. Its no different than ginger trashing some noob coming thru the gate.
Ginger knew (or should of) that linking from someone elses server carried risks (just like low sec). Ginger can come back, start all over, just like the noobs he ganks at gates. I mean after all, as you put it, its only a game, get over it.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2007.03.06 06:52:00 -
[153]
IM IN UR GINGERTHREAD, HOTLINKIN STUFF!
On the another note, Ginger isn't my favorite person ingame but that was some nasty operation someone pulled. Hope he had a long skill training (BS lvl5 finally, perhaps?)
"Sadly this is the only game I've ever played that encourages and rewards people for being jerks and penalizes people that don't" -Forum Alt |
Radcjk
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Posted - 2007.03.06 07:00:00 -
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I'm of mixed emotions about this. I guess there are two positives and two negatives to it in my view.
Positive Thoughts - Tiller's standing up for his corpy, despite the mass hatred of Ginger and said corp... so props to him on that - It really was creative as hell. I'm impressed.
Negative Thoughts - It was a dirty, dirty trick that got pulled and I'm not a big fan of metagaming in any form. - Ginger and a good majority of Snowy are generally second rate pirates who simply count the numbers of their kills, not the difficulty, challenge, or excitement of them... and the way some of them smack you'd think they were Ginger's love children come to join him in nearly child like antics. So whats the big loss ?
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Strong Badd
Trogdor the Burninator Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.06 07:20:00 -
[155]
I never liked Ginger but this is BS. I hope he gets unbanned.
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Masochistic Cannibal
Amarr 3M Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.06 07:49:00 -
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Lets be fair guys I think from the 3 years i've been playing that it's fairly clear most of EvE hate Ginger !!
However I think anyone with half a brain can agree that this is trully lame, and a clear case of harrassment. Hopefully the sad little retard who instigated it is permabanned. It's not like he hasn't broken enough of the EULA!
#Linking to profanity or sexually explicit material. #Increasing workload for the GM's #Harrassment
Ginger has broken..... None! And quite frankly those that are saying "good riddence griefer" , "haha got what he deserves" need to change games. EvE is not for you.
Cannibal
I eat babies ! [Hauling services available~ Contact ingame] |
Mercil3ss
My Li'l Pony Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.06 08:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mercil3ss on 06/03/2007 07:59:06 I'm not sure what to think.
On the one hand, it's totally lame that someone did this.
On the other hand, if it was pirates that committed this act of defamation, would their action be decried or celebrated?
Oh and btw, Ginger should be unbanned but should be more careful in the future.
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Samirol
Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.06 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mercil3ss Edited by: Mercil3ss on 06/03/2007 07:59:06 I'm not sure what to think.
On the one hand, it's totally lame that someone did this.
On the other hand, if it was pirates that committed this act of defamation, would their action be decried or celebrated?
Oh and btw, Ginger should be unbanned but should be more careful in the future.
it depends on the outcome. if it gets someone permabanned, then it would be heavily looked down upon. If nobody got banned, only some "mental scarring", then no harm no foul
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Nero Ya'ng
Caldari YaFa Empires
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Posted - 2007.03.06 08:15:00 -
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ok this is even lamer than gatecamping.
I never met one of those OctoberSnow peewats, dont like em anyway for theyr behavior on the Forums. to much blabla about theyr pewpew.
But this is a very lame tactic. BUT
the bann is OK, if its not a permabann.
The Hoster is not responsible. Cause he did something outside of the EvE-Univers , it was ginger bringing it in to the EvE univers by linking it (sure he didnt know).
but why should CCP spend time on this issue? For CCP its clear, Ginger has a link in his BIO, Ginger placed it there, and this link is linking to a picture forbidden in EvE. so its a bann.
if they can proof that the hoster and the one that asked for banning him is the same person, then they should bann him also. cause he added a picture to his web that will show inside EvE, he knew that, so he is not unguilty in my eyes.
but ginger is guilty also. dont use links you dont have controll over it. cause you are responsible for what will show when i click on it. no mater if you are the host or not, you host the link.
be happy it was only that, was reading about other MMO where some guy who got ganked found out where the ganker life. he visited him and ganked him in RL.
but i dont feel with you guys :) i dont feel nothing for gatecampers. 6 or more piwats fighting 1 lonley traveler. sure its within the game mechanics, but has no style^^
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vonakaNBuster
Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jayson Lee
Originally by: vonakaNBuster its sad to see such a *** gone, even tho i only have met the guy a couple of time, i think thats ******* lame of the person that did that, its a ******* game, if you get blown up, life with it, it happens to anyone of us, but doing such things, you actually ruin a part of a mans life, wich is unacceptable imo.
hope the GM's will look into it, and unban ginger, as i love his arrogance :)
hey tiller btw
voanaknbuster
Am I the only one that sees the irony here? First off you bash the guy because he gets mad about a game, then you go on to say how this guy ruined a part of gingers life. WTF. If as you say its just a game then why fee sorry for ginger? The guy got back at him the only way he could. Its no different than ginger trashing some noob coming thru the gate.
Ginger knew (or should of) that linking from someone elses server carried risks (just like low sec). Ginger can come back, start all over, just like the noobs he ganks at gates. I mean after all, as you put it, its only a game, get over it.
its something you have spent a big part of youre life at, its not near the same game, ginger dosent make this guy unable to play the game, hes a part of the gate, whatever you guys like it or not, piracy, gatecamping, sniping and such things, are a part of the game, even the big alliance blob up, only taking the easy fights and so on, this guy can just stay away from low sec if he wont die, its a part of the game.
But doing something like this guy did, is not a part of the game, its taking advantage of an outgame thing, and make him banned for it, this imho is not fair.
I hope that ginger will be back ingame, and ganking the **** out of the ppl dumb enough to be ganked. :)
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Bangoura
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Bangoura on 06/03/2007 08:46:59 While Gingers bio is his responsibility and it is his fault, and the guy who was hosting the image while lame, has infringed no part of the EULA or ingame rules I still think a permaban is harsh.
Surely it's clear to the GM's what had happened, no one is stupid enough to link goatse from their profile, a temp ban and stern warning should suffice imo, permaban is a bit strong.
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.06 09:18:00 -
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Morale of the story? Leeching is bad, hmmmk...
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Zlok't
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Posted - 2007.03.06 10:50:00 -
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People who are coming in at this topic with the whole "Well ginger had it coming to him" or "Well the guy who linked it deserves to die" should take a step back here.
From CCP's perspective. Ginger had a link in his bio which should a not particularily pleasing part of the human anatomy in his bio. Bio violated the EULA and other rules of Eve so bio was removed. Then the GM's had a choice, and they decided (assuming what tiller says is correct) that ginger is banned. I didnt see tiller say that it was permanent though, but i assume its a lengthy ban given the complaints. Why did the GM's ban him? Once the bio was removed the damage had been stopped, a suspension or a warning would have prevented it happening again (unless this isnt his first warning). It wasnt a dead body or something, it was a part of the human body that everyone has (and a bit that only some have, but thats not the offensive part i think). Is that really something perma-bans are tossed out over? The GM's would have seen the link, and with a little thought realised it was either put up maliciously to trick people into going to it, or it had recently been changed. A check to see that ginger's bio has been unchanged for a few days would have had them thinking the latter. I doubt they did this though... which makes you wonder why. No since i would think ginger and his corp have been hammering on CCP with the reason this happened. Either they are ignoring them or they dont accept that argument.
Thats worrying. I think people still have the baby ginger pic linked in their bio, linked to that place, and it should it come back they will be perma banned or given a lengthy ban like ginger. If all that is true CCP need to look a little closer at how the GM's enforce bio violations.
All that stuff aside i think this is funny. Ginger linked to a picture that somone who didnt like him hosted, themselves, on their own pc, and it turns out they didnt like ginger. Very few people actually looked at his picture but for those who were told it was disgusting and dont look at it. Those who werent told to look at it, well you can probably see worse in a mirror with a little bending... but yeah.
I dont think the person who changed the picture on the site should be banned. Its fair to assume he changed it on purpose, but we cant be certain, and he didnt have it in his bio. Maybe he thought he was catching a forum hotlinker somewhere. Who knows, he didnt do anything in game, ginger did and he should get a slap on the wrist and be laughed at for a while.
So in summary... meta-gaming humiliation good, perma-bans bad.
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Suvetar
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.06 11:02:00 -
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I would ask that people keep on topic here.
The debate on what the GMs should have done to GM is to be left with the GMs.
Err...
But seriously, discussing the actions of GMs or moderation isn't ok; they have the facts and will make their decisions accordingly.
Likewise, please refrain from the Hotlinking conversation in this forum, take it to the Out of pod experice, OOPE; if you want to debate it constructively.
Thanks everyone, please help me to keep this topic open.
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Danno
Rogues
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Posted - 2007.03.06 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: trailro Well like tiller said : "I hope this gets sorted as soon, or I'm just outta here."
can i have your stuff? (both)
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Verone
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.06 11:39:00 -
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I'm not really a fan of Ginger to be honest, but whoever did this is bang out of order.
The GM team need to sort their act out and start making the right calls, it's fast turning into a farce.
NEWEST MOVIE : VETO FOR HIRE
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tammarr on 06/03/2007 11:59:25 If it happened the way described: Pic is fun I give it that Owner after quite some time changes pic and posts on forum about the picture and that ginger should be banned... g is down due to picy.
Only looking at the change pic for unhealthy image is unethical, low morals and outright dispisable behaviour. Remove the image or add a 'no more picy here' img, you dont go around changing them.
Going with a fellow having the brain(Or ck off) to be doing this makes me upset. And yes Iam oldschool internet geek so people saying its the hotlinkers own fault... you dont have any hope for humanity and expect everyone to be a backstabber given the chance? Switching images to inappropiate ones Id expect of 5 year olds not yet knowing whats acceptable and people doing it are the ones in cases like this to be slapped.
and to Snowy: I hope you get him back soon, even if it means tiller is number zwei pvper in the galaxy again.. but who knows, gm being away a couple of days might nudge his skillzors down a notch? ;)
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Masochistic Cannibal
Amarr 3M Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:17:00 -
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Lets just remember the image was not 'accidently' changed by the hoster.
It was changed to mirrow the old images exact file name, Nothing short of malicious. And then getting the attention of CCP and sending petitions boild down to being worthy of a warning / ban. If for nothing else than "increasing the workload of the GM's"
Cannibal
I eat babies ! [Hauling services available~ Contact ingame] |
Torhas
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:32:00 -
[169]
I just saw Ginger log in so can the madness end yet?
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Mr Jay
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:42:00 -
[170]
Haha, that's awesome.
That is all
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tiller
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.06 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 06/03/2007 13:12:24
Ban is lifted \o/\o/
Now back to killing you all, one by one..... I'll start at page 1
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Iwishai Wazahero
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Posted - 2007.03.06 13:20:00 -
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Well even though I supported the giner one's un-banning I still think you ought to be aware that i am coming for joo!!! My incursus of doom will wreak merry havoc on your smartie-rokh, and my T1hornet will take down any number of Ging's fighters.
Oh yes. It shall be so.
(or possibly I'll just get podded repeatedly... whichever :) )
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:13:00 -
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If Ginger speaks truth GM has no reson to ban him. But imagine you are a GM for a moment and you get petition abount Ginger having nasty image in his bio. You will have no way to tell if he did it on purpose or not. GM made only sensible thing which can be done fast.
I believe in good will of Ginger. Honestly, how often you look into your bio? And no matter what did he do ingame (as long as it's kept inside game rules) he didn't deserve to be banned.
Solution? I think the only way for Ginger is to talk with GM and convince them he is innocent.
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Skywalker
Minmatar Coca-Cola Cowboys
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:43:00 -
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Ginger is released from the prison, great.
The argument that Ginger should be banned is not valid in my eyes. I can understand that they ban a shorty to clear things out though.
What if a hacker changed pictures on your website that is hosted by an ISP ? Still guilty ? Don't think so.
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monkeyduck
Mithril Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Skywalker What if a hacker changed pictures on your website that is hosted by an ISP ? Still guilty ? Don't think so.
How is it everyone seems to be living in a contractual world of liberal rules? Any major ISP will hold you responsible for exactly that. If they somehow hacked the ISP, that's one thing, but you are responsible for the security of your site and the result of being lax in your security. The account would go into suspension for sure, though you may be able to get it unsuspended depending on the situation. It's not "You are responsible for X, Y, and Z UNLESS..." it's "You are resonsible for X, Y, and Z."
It's good to see Ginger got unbanned. He deserved to be banned, but not permanently. We need asses in the game. Gives people who care someone to hate and gives those who don't a good laugh.
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Curzon Dax
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:26:00 -
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I think I have a better analogy.
You buy a car from a private seller, and it turns out to be stolen. Your defense to the police is that you didn't know it was stolen.
Doesn't the buyer have a responsibility for knowing that his purchase is legitimate? Searching out the VIN or something?
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LudoO
Gallente OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:31:00 -
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This was very sad - and I allso think the gm's can handle this diffrently.
After what I'v understood Ginger have never gotten any warning on his link (wich was changed) so he never got the chanse to either explain it or remove it on at own will.
A warning without a followup is deserved to be a ban - a warning with removal shouldn't unless repeated. Ginger never had any warning ergo wasn't aware nor getting a warning at all.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
...now where was my locator agent
My corp is located on Deltole, welcome
"Sadly this is the only game I've ever played that encourages and rewards people for being jerks and penalizes people that don't" -Forum Alt |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:00:00 -
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As much as I dislike Giner, if this is true then that's really really lame.
Shamis
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B0rn2KiLL
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 06/03/2007 17:01:52 EDIT: congrats to the ginger. =]
Originally by: Verone
The GM team need to sort their act out and start making the right calls, it's fast turning into a farce.
qft.
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