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Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.07.09 10:59:36 -
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Hi all,
I just wanted to ask: Do I have to do the ten career agent missions for each agent to start the blood stained stars? or Can I complete just one..say 'The combat agent' and then do it?
I like to RP where I can, and although I would like to do the arc, I dont like the idea of having to trudge through missions for career agents I have no interest in doing, or that dont fit with my Rp.
Many thanks
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Taishoku Mayaki
State War Academy Caldari State
578
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Posted - 2016.07.09 11:08:40 -
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You should not have to do the Career Agents to do the Epic Arc, search agents then Sister's of Eve. She should be in the level 1 agent segment with Epic Arc in her description, fly over and do some 50 odd missions for glory. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
299
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Posted - 2016.07.09 11:11:59 -
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'Sister Alitura' is who you're looking for. Just go straight to her if you want.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.07.09 11:12:03 -
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Great! Thanks for the info, I thought It only became available after the career agent/s had been completed..the info is a bit confusing as some suggest all agent missions need to be done from 1 to 10 and a few say only one agent!
Appreciate the info. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1147
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Posted - 2016.07.09 11:30:47 -
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Samael Tyler wrote:Great! Thanks for the info, I thought It only became available after the career agent/s had been completed..the info is a bit confusing as some suggest all agent missions need to be done from 1 to 10 and a few say only one agent!
Appreciate the info. As a newbie, you don't get ingame information about her, unless you finish at least one of the career paths. She's ready for doing business with you anytime though. And every three months after you did the arc initially.
Remove insurance.
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Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.07.09 11:35:21 -
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I have finished Military career 1-10, but must have missed the prompt. Thanks for the helping hand. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1510
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Posted - 2016.07.09 12:47:29 -
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I just want to point out some common misconceptions that newbies bring to this game from others.
PvE in this game is not very deep and engaging and is not intended to be. This game is a sandbox and the other players are intended to be the content. So while there are a lot of people RPing in this game it seems to mostly be within the context of all player situations rather than in PvE situations.
More specifically in a game like FFXIV your character is the hero running through a very scripted and linear set of quests with a deep and engaging storyline. In Eve missions are just a way to make isk. You will do the same missions over and over and quickly realize that the stories in Eve are made by players and come from player interactions. You will understand this better once you've rescued that whore of a Damsel in the "Damsel in Distress" mission more than 50 times.
So in Eve you can RP to be the bad pirate type and run around ransoming other players for their ship or their pod or you can join provi block and RP to be the good guys acting as space police to keep the skies clear for decent folk or join CVA specifically and RP to be religious zealots. In Eve you need to choose what you want to RP as and create the role for yourself. You are not going to get lost in some storyline created for you and millions of others by someone else.
I would also like to point out that career agents are not like the breadcrumb questlines in other games that lead you from day one to "end game" content. Career agents just give you a very brief introduction to some of the most basic game mechanics. beyond that you are left on your own to figure your path out for yourself. Once you are done with all of the career agents that's pretty much it and you will be left with nothing else to tell you what to do. From there you will have to find your own playstyle and carve out your own unique path.
TLDR; Some other games are interactive stories with occasional interactions with other players. Eve is a sandbox for you to make your own story. |
Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.07.09 13:46:34 -
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I would just like to point out that what you just wanted to point out was unnecessary.
I was asking a simple question about a particular 'quest line' I was not making any suggestion that I had misinterpreted what EVE actually is.
The assumption that 'New' players have no grasp on what the game is, is rather tiresome, and the constant and perhaps deliberate misinterpretation of a very simple question is exponentially MORE tiresome. The original replies to my simple question were great, and I thank everyone who took the time to contribute.
What FFXIV or ESO or WOW or GW2 have to do with this is beyond me...and why you needed to explain what they are and what Eve is not is even further beyond me.
I understand exactly what the career agents are, and the fact they are only there to introduce the basic mechanics of the wider game.
I would like to thank you also for your valuable input...but it was neither valuable or necessary, so please take that silly faux-superior 'I would like to point out' attitude and feed it into your wormhole.
Cheers. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1510
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Posted - 2016.07.09 15:28:58 -
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There was no need for your nasty reply. Here in the NCQ&A we get a lot of the same questions over and over again. Many people ( including myself ) come to this game assuming it is like other games when it is completely different. Lots of new players washout early on and I believe that if they understood that the game is intentionally different that the washout rate would be much lower.
Your original question seemed to me to be coming from that perspective. I do not know you personally and had no previous experience with you prior to the post at least none that I am aware of. So I offered a perspective that I thought might be helpful for you or another new player surfing the NCQ&A for information on a very popular mission arc for new players.
You could have ignored my post. You could have said thanks for your time but that does not apply to me. You could have asked how my reply was relevant to your OP. Instead you chose to be a phalus cranium.
If you routinely take offense at other players going out of their way to try and be helpful then you will likely have a rough time with this game as it has one of the most helpful communities in MMO gaming IMHO.
My intent was not to act superior but this game has a steep learning curve. Many of us owe an insane amount of gratitude for help from vets that helped us get going early on and to which we could never fully repay the help. So some of us come hear and try to pay it forward and bring balance to the Eve universe.
If you are going to ask more experienced players for advice and then accuse them of acting superior when they offer it then may I suggest that you look for a game that facilitates you playing with yourself. |
Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.07.09 15:45:14 -
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I asked other players for advice, I did not ask some self important princes to jump on and start making random unfounded decisions simply because she felt like playing 'queen of Eve'.
You have no authority here, so please do not try and adopt it. My response was entirely fair given your unrelated self important waffle of a post.
I can't help if YOU came to the game not understanding what it was, but don't be making the assumption that stupid is the rule.
My question was simple, easy to read and was, in fact, NOT misunderstood by the two players who answered me with helpful and clear information.
I like the reference to 'Phallus Cranium', however I think one should take a long hard look at one's self before throwing about silly titles like that. You waltzed in in your princes frock and plastic tiara and bestowed your worthless advice upon the lower classes..and it was not appreciated your highness.
Quit the whole 'wounded samaritan' routine and go away. YOU could have ignored my reply as easily as you expected me to ignore yours, so take your own advice and do one.
"If you routinely take offense at other players going out of their way to try and be helpful then you will likely have a rough time with this game as it has one of the most helpful communities in MMO gaming IMHO."
I take no offence at anyone genuinely offering support and advice..you don't fit that group.
No apology tendered. |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
10193
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Posted - 2016.07.09 18:12:17 -
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*snickers*
[deep jazzy voice]
We gonna have fun wit you boi!
[/deep jazzy voice]
No really... if that is your attitude OP, I can guarantee that you are going to be singled out and nuked by another player in the next 3 months. Yes... we do that here. Yes... it is legal to do so. No... you will not be reimbursed.
Oh yeah.... and this gem...
Samael Tyler wrote:don't be making the assumption that 'stupid' is the rule. My friends and I have a saying; "Always bet on stupid."
We are rarely disappointed.
How did you Veterans start?
The Mustache and Beard Thread
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Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.07.09 19:07:43 -
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Oh look!
Another imaginary hero with virtual attitude.
Mate, couldn't really give a monkeys uncle..it's a game. I asked a simple question, I didn't set up a ****** farm and send out invites.
I know..I know...you like to play the big man..blah blah..vet..blah blah..newbie. Fact is, that Princess here dropped a shed load of unnecessary self importance on my simple thread, and I responded.
Now I don't know what it really has to do with you? perhaps she's your sister..the f***s I give I could count on one hand with all the fingers severed.
Feel free to spend your virtual time, virtually tracking me down to virtually deliver your virtual justice on my virtual arse...if that floats your boat, and quite clearly it does. And once you have finished admiring the wood it brings you, you can rinse and repeat until your hearts desire, because at the end of the day..it doesn't matter.
I'm not in the habit of setting out to be nasty, but i'm also not in the habit of sitting back and letting little ego's make senseless pops at me to make them feel big.
YES there are many many good players on here, giving great advice and good answers to help newcomers, but there's no 'ego filter' and frankly, I tire of seeing this kind of rubbish on almost every game forum..the big fish, the know-betters, the smarmy retorter's and the general ADHD fight starters..it's tiresome/
Now (normal voice..because I really don't see how deep and jazzy adds any impact, although it may add to your rather overused virtual persona) IF you have finished, feel free to waste more time with some more pointless drivel..or you could phone a friend...phone all your friends..get the virtual boys round..whatever you like. But know...you really are not doing anything.
If you were to become anything more than a mild annoyance...well, I guess I would just start over..perhaps even a new account if you really managed to cause a ripple...but sweat would not be broken..not once.
And I would still not be averse to pulling up prissy little princesses like I have today with you and your sister.
Apology not tendered
"I'll bring a knife to a gunfight and cut my way out."
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Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.07.09 19:31:46 -
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My friends and I also have a saying:
"Condemnant quod non intellegunt."
"I'll bring a knife to a gunfight and cut my way out."
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
10193
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Posted - 2016.07.09 20:12:14 -
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Samael Tyler wrote:I'm not in the habit of setting out to be nasty, but i'm also not in the habit of sitting back and letting little ego's make senseless pops at me to make them feel big. Pot calling kettle black?
Seriously now... ease up.
Like you said... this is a game.
- Don't take everything too seriously (as you obviously are otherwise you wouldn't be in a huff about getting information, even info you already know about)
- Don't focus focus so much on wording and content of a post... look more for the intent behind of the post (because most of the people on this board are genuinely trying to help)
- Have a sense of humor (I can say from experience that you WILL need this more than anything as what you see on this particular forum board will be mild compared to what you will experience in the rest of the game).
With regards to the "unsolicitied" information...
Keep in mind that a lot of us have helped a lot of newbies for a long, long time. Our experience has been that people generally don't know what to ask or what information they need because they simply don't know in the first place.
If you have done your research... kudos. You are already a few steps ahead of others. But our collective policy of giving more information than a new player wants or needs will continue to stand because we simply can't assume that the new player knows. From what we have seen, it is not the norm.
Also... I will add this one thing; No matter how well read you are or how much research you have done... you are still a newbie here. That means you are on the bottom of the totem pole and have a lot of learning to do.
Do not dismiss the advice of more experienced players off-hand because you consider it condescending. Odds are, we understand the mechanics and social nuances of the game far better than you do due to experience.
If we tell you something... it is not because we think you are an idiot. It is because we probably had to deal with that particular issue when we were newbies and we are warning you about it.
Basically... it is better to arm someone with more information (even information they already know) than to hold back and wait for a question that may never come.
How did you Veterans start?
The Mustache and Beard Thread
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Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.07.09 22:01:35 -
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No pot, no kettle mate not sure where that comes into it.
I have never once jumped into ANY forum topic and been superior or deliberately unhelpful.
If I read something and I think it's dumb, I leave it at that it's not my place to comment. If I read something and I can't offer help or advice, then I offer nothing.
The only time I ever engage in non-value interactions is when overbearing self important forum members take it upon themselves to act like they are 'holier than thou', and i'm sorry but the replies I got to my post, or at least the first three were in good spirit, helpful and welcoming (The way I try to be when I am posting).
Then Princess Peach rolls up and offers nothing at all, she didn't even touch upon my question..it was all about establishing non existent rank based upon time spent playing a game.
Secondly, I don't need to be told to ease up, not after YOU decide to add even less value to a thread that has already been answered and then derailed..seriously.."Ease up"??
If I choose to retaliate, it does not follow suit that I take anything 'too seriously' it should only be taken that on this occasion I am stating my feelings regarding a non value reply to a simple question.
And please, are you giving me advice on how to read a post?
I read several here, the first three of the members who replied also seemed to have read mine, and answered accordingly with help and advice. I know all about the issues around 'how text can be read' and 'inferred meanings' I SAW the intent behind the post and I called the poster out on it.
Or is it only YOU who can see the intent behind a post correctly? because I assume the intent you saw, based upon your perusal of the reply, was different to the one I saw or I doubt we would have then been treated to your masterfully juvenile cyber strutting and shallow pointless threats.
I have a great sense of humour for your information, I have developed it of many years of hard knocks and general 'Life being what it is' ness. Don't assume that a sense of humour is lacking because I call out one uppity little princess with a superiority complex, or that I respond to you in kind. This is not evidence of a failing understanding of humour, it's evidence that I don't find this particular exchange humorous.
This was NOT about "getting more information than I needed" it was about getting a snippy reply that never even tried to address the question asked in the first place...go back and read it.
Now.. I may have read you wrongly, because apparently I lack the ability to understand and interpret the message behind the text (The force is weak in this one) but I am assuming that your last post was, in some part, a way of drawing a peaceful close to proceedings.
If it was indeed a virtual olive branch, then I accept and reciprocate.
Also..I will add this one thing (as we are 'also adding' things): No matter how well read you are or how much research you have done..you are still just playing a game and should not always make the assumption that everyone needs to be spoken to like a child, treated like they are too stupid to ask a straight question or happy to accept cocky bovine excrement answers simply because they are apparently at the dirty end of a big stick that does not actually exist.
And for what it's worth, jumping into a topic with both feet and acting like some kind of entitled cyber warrior is not a great way to convince anyone that, after having one rather pointless exchange on one of their first posts, that the community in general is not infected with delusions of grandeur.
That said, I am happy to end this sordid little exchange on at least amicable terms.
Fly Safe.
"I'll bring a knife to a gunfight and cut my way out."
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Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2016.07.09 22:18:04 -
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ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO CONTINUE THIS DERAILED THREAD PLEASE FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW:
1) Type any threats, warnings, insults or personal appraisals of the above exchange. Please also include any comments regarding my parentage, education, size of my genitalia or suggestions that I was abused as a small child.
2) Copy any one of my previous replies and then paste them in a new post right beneath yours
3) Continue to argue with yourself until you come to your senses or you have to leave to take your medication.
If you find that cutting and pasting my previous posts does not scan well with whatever smack talk you are 'laying down' then please print off the image of me (It's not really me..I don't look at all like that guy) and then place it somewhere where you can see it clearly.
Continue to write witty and scathing posts and each time you need a reply, simply look at the afore mentioned picture and punch yourself in the face (If you wear glasses please remove them before punching your face)
Feel free to continue with this process until you are unconscious, severely brain damaged (or worse than you may already be) or dead.
Many Thanks. (Because seriously, I cant be bothered now)
"I'll bring a knife to a gunfight and cut my way out."
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1514
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Posted - 2016.07.10 01:32:20 -
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You have had many people take time out of their day to offer you the best advice that they have to offer. Instead of showing even the slightest gratitude for people taking the time to attempt to help you, you decide to jump all over them.
I've seen no one here attack you in any way. I've seen only helpful advice with the one exception being of me telling you to go play with yourself.
You have repeatedly attacked people trying to help you after you had asked for their help. You are the only one here acting superior and attacking people. You were also the only one acting rude and nasty until I decided to come down to your level and resort to bickering. ( Yes I said come down to your level not because I am higher but because the conversation was of a higher quality prior to dropping down to personal attacks. )
I will offer you one last piece of unsolicited advice. The eve community is very helpful and in many ways humble. There are not many people acting superior in this game and certainly few to almost none in this section of the forums. People will blow your ship up and then take the time to explain to what you did wrong and how you could have done better and sometimes ( if you are cool with them as well ) they will even fly with you immediately after words.
The community in this game is famous for being helpful. Other MMOs are loaded with people acting superior and talking down to others so I can understand where you would jump to that conclusion. However I am telling you that is not the case with me and can assure you that it is not the case with nearly all of the regulars here in the NC Q&A.
If you choose to view me as talking down to you, you are most certainly well within your right to draw you own conclusions. However I am the only one that can truly know my own intent and perspective. I can tell you that I was not talking down to you.
I almost certainly know more about this game than you. I have been playing this game since 2009 with very few breaks. I don't know everything about this game and there are likely things about this game that you know that I do not but my total knowledge of the game almost certainly exceeds yours. Does that make me a better person that you? No. Does that make me a better Eve player than you? That is impossible to determine since this game has no absolute goals or metrics with which to measure.
If this game were chess we could sit down and play 10 games and if one of us won 8 out of 10 they could clearly claim to be better. In a sandbox one could claim that they are better because they built a bigger sand castle but what if the other person wasn't even building castles? Maybe you could try and argue that whoever is having more fun is better at the game but honestly I've never heard anyone ever describe anyone else as "the best Eve player". In 7 years of playing this game I've never heard that said or read it anywhere.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16740
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Posted - 2016.07.10 01:52:00 -
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lol
Better the Devil you know.
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
1922
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Posted - 2016.07.10 03:18:45 -
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Being you must be exhausting.
Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli
Titan's Lament
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2314
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Posted - 2016.07.10 07:23:17 -
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OP, are you menstruating?
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55631
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Posted - 2016.07.10 08:44:23 -
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Welcome to Eve.
Seems you've already got off on one hell of a start, especially for a character first created on 2016.07.06
Yes you can start the Level 1 Sisters Of Eve Epic Arc without completing all 5 Career Agents.
However those 5 Career Agents actually give out a lot of items which are very helpful to brand new characters. I'm talking about Skillbooks, Implants, Modules, Ships, Munitions, ISK, ect, as well as some basic info on User Interface / Station Services.
After completing those Career Agents and collecting up all the goodies from them, the Level 1 SoE Epic Arc is great for gaining more ISK while training up the Core Fitting Skills. By the time the Level 1 Epic Arc is completed, the Core Fitting Skills would be trained up enough to allow some solid basic ship fits.
Course you probably already know that. The main thing to remember in this game is this : Information Is King and Conversation Is It's Queen.
When someone imparts extra info to you, just thank them for their time, file it where ever you want and then move on.
Anyway good luck to you, hope you have a long and rewarding career here.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2016.07.10 08:55:05 -
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Remember...remove glasses THEN punch.
"I'll bring a knife to a gunfight and cut my way out."
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Tzuke
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2016.07.10 08:56:47 -
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Methinks my village will want its idiot back soon. Some guy wants to jump right into the SOE arc and after 3 months I just started it yesterday...god I suck :) |
Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2016.07.10 09:21:49 -
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DeMichael Crimson, thank you for the 4th 'good and helpful response' I appreciate it.
As for it being tiring being me..nope, I never found using a keyboard that much of an effort, or sharing an opinion (something very few of you seem to find exhausting either)
Princess, I should have put money on you coming back with another self important ramble. My position stands, and I think we both know WHY you posted what you did, and why you avoided anything to do with my question.
To address the SOE arc being tough, well according to the majority of forum information, all but the final mission (The blod stained stars) is easily achievable by a new player, so you will excuse me if I take that last comment there as just more hot air and another silly attempt to sound superior.
I asked a simple question and got attitude, so I responded. All the majority of you are doing is reinforcing the belief that a very large number of players enjoy a nice flame war and are full of their own importance because somehow they place a greater value on themselves because of time spent in a game.
One final note...for the guy who does not grasp Human Biology any better than he can grasp the thread of a post. Men don't menstruate.
Now...remember to follow my easy steps if you wish to continue this conversation.
For the record: Im not wasting MY time on these forums, i'm sitting at work...are you? because if not, then the sad factor just tilted in your direction quite significantly.
Have a nice day.
"I'll bring a knife to a gunfight and cut my way out."
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2315
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Posted - 2016.07.10 10:05:21 -
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You've got us all wrong, we love gobshites, especially really testy ones.
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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Samael Tyler
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2016.07.10 10:07:50 -
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Mortlake wrote:You've got us all wrong, we love gobshites, especially really testy ones.
Lol..if we are playing spot the insult then that was really easy, zero out of ten for that effort.
Obviously the forums love gobshites, because this post seems to be almost completely filled with them, yourself included. Do you also love people who can't read a post or refrain from jumping into a flame war to try and gain some kind of twisted respect from their peers?
"I'll bring a knife to a gunfight and cut my way out."
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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
358
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Posted - 2016.07.10 10:26:55 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:There was no need for your nasty reply. Here in the NCQ&A we get a lot of the same questions over and over again. Many people ( including myself ) come to this game assuming it is like other games when it is completely different. Lots of new players washout early on and I believe that if they understood that the game is intentionally different that the washout rate would be much lower.
Your original question seemed to me to be coming from that perspective. I do not know you personally and had no previous experience with you prior to the post at least none that I am aware of. So I offered a perspective that I thought might be helpful for you or another new player surfing the NCQ&A for information on a very popular mission arc for new players.
You could have ignored my post. You could have said thanks for your time but that does not apply to me. You could have asked how my reply was relevant to your OP. Instead you chose to be a phalus cranium.
If you routinely take offense at other players going out of their way to try and be helpful then you will likely have a rough time with this game as it has one of the most helpful communities in MMO gaming IMHO.
My intent was not to act superior but this game has a steep learning curve. Many of us owe an insane amount of gratitude for help from vets that helped us get going early on and to which we could never fully repay the help. So some of us come hear and try to pay it forward and bring balance to the Eve universe.
If you are going to ask more experienced players for advice and then accuse them of acting superior when they offer it then may I suggest that you look for a game that facilitates you playing with yourself. Hey look! Someone else who thinks they know "What EVE Is" and of course, if you're not in lockstep with THEM..."and YOU DON'T!" I wonder where I've seen this sort of idiocy before...is it contagious? (Lord, I hope not. I'm too happy being INTELLIGENT!)
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2317
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Posted - 2016.07.10 10:33:02 -
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Samael Tyler wrote:Mortlake wrote:You've got us all wrong, we love gobshites, especially really testy ones. Lol..if we are playing spot the insult then that was really easy, zero out of ten for that effort. Obviously the forums love gobshites, because this post seems to be almost completely filled with them, yourself included. Do you also love people who can't read a post or refrain from jumping into a flame war to try and gain some kind of twisted respect from their peers?
Does your phone have extra large buttons too?
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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Samael Tyler
13
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Posted - 2016.07.10 10:33:20 -
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Sustrai Aditua, A refreshing response shining above a sea of self important bile. I salute you Sir.
"I'll bring a knife to a gunfight and cut my way out."
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Samael Tyler
13
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Posted - 2016.07.10 10:40:54 -
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"Does your phone have extra large buttons too?"
What? How is that even a response?
The buttons on my phone are significantly smaller, I suspect, than the lid on your Ritalin pill bottle. And likely not quite as big as the hole that was clearly present in the condom used by your parents.
"I'll bring a knife to a gunfight and cut my way out."
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