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Grigori
Autopilot Transportation
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Posted - 2016.07.11 04:12:22 -
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Greetings everyone! Came back on Eve after several years of divorce... Trying a bit of everything but here I found some difficulties.
Let's go straight to the problem. First of all, my scanning skills are all at 4. Using a Buzzard, caldari frig is at 5 and covert Ops at 4. Using a SoE launcher and SoE probes. The probes have a shown scanning strength around 112/114 (don't remember exactly, but surely over 112). I was able to find relics and data sites in nullsec with quite food loot, guess was a quite high site, already found, scanned and hacked dozens of them so I probably know what I am doing and how to do that.
Well, yesterday I was in Yria, sec 0.5 if I remember well, and I came across a site I couldn't scan more than 38%, no matter what I tried. I closed the probes one at time manually, close them all together with ctrl, relaunched them, tried to scan it several times from 4au to 0.25, we'll I tried EVERYTHING. After this I could another one impossible to scan to 100, if my memory doesn't fail me it was a guristas regional data center.
My question is, how it can be? Something is missing here, but still I hear ppl around bragging how they scan everything with a couple shots with lvl 3 skills, I highly doubt that.
Any idea/suggestions?
Thanks everyone. |
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
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Posted - 2016.07.11 05:07:31 -
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Try with implant/scanning upgrades (new mid-slot module) |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1551
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Posted - 2016.07.11 05:57:32 -
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sounds like a superior sleeper cache, I think you need over 120 scan strength to grab one of those.
1 scan rangefinding array should put you over that requirement |
Zoltan Lazar
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Posted - 2016.07.11 06:58:24 -
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There are things which require all V scanning skills & usage of the mid slot modules & rigs & implants to scan down.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55634
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Posted - 2016.07.11 07:09:17 -
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Since you're already using top line equipment, I suggest training up the scanning skills to level 5, especially if you're going to engage in exploration career.
With top line scan bonus ship, launcher, probes and level 5 scanning skills, you won't need to fit up the various scan upgrade modules.
As for Scanning Implants, there's only one Implant that I feel would be helpful : Slot #8 = Poteque 'Prospector' Astrometric Rangefinding AR-806 (6% stronger scanning strength with scan probes)
That will allow you to fit up a better defensive tank on your ship and still be able to get 100% signal on all signatures with a few scans.
Course if you're making a character strictly for scanning then yeah, max train all scanning skills and have clone fit with top line scan Implants and use top line scan bonus ship fit with scan upgrade modules, launcher and probes.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.07.11 12:24:12 -
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I always used 8 sister probes and use the pinpoint formation. I use an astero not rigged with one scanning mod and one scan rig. With all level 4 scan skills. I can scan down pretty much anything.
covert ops has better scan strength at level 4 i think so it should be easier than using a astero. Make sure you have your astrometric skills trained. There are a few of them and they help. Also you need to put the dot in the scan box you move around center( for hard scans) moving it as much as a millimeter off center on hard scans can weaken the result by a full percent. |
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2016.07.11 16:16:16 -
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Interesting. I've always used an Anathema with 5 SOE probes. Last week I was doing great in it...getting to 100% generally when I get to 1AU. Skills all at 5. Highsec
Decided a couple weeks ago to try a T3 cruiser and maybe try my hand in some more...contested...areas (wormholes, primarily.)
Put the ship together and fitted it out. I'm not on my EvE PC, so don't have the exact loadout, but pretty standard...though not any of the new modules mentioned here (just came back to the game a month ago and wasn't aware of them.)
Anyway...decided to take out the ride in highsec for some trials. Was in 0.7 space and started probing down a site (5 probes...same as previous) but could not get above about 57% for some reason. I've never not been able to probe down a high-sec site using 5 SOE probes.
I didn't have a chance to go back and grab an Anathema for a direct comparison, but is this to be expected? Is an exploration-fit Legion that much worse than the Anathema? I'll grab my T3 fit when I get home and update.
KB
Dum Spiro Spero
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
557
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Posted - 2016.07.11 18:49:23 -
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Zoltan Lazar wrote:There are things which require all V scanning skills & usage of the mid slot modules & rigs & implants to scan down.
Having a character which spent the time to train all scanning skills to V I was disappointed to find that I can scan down all PVE sigs with a character that has level IV astronomics, rangefinder/pinpoint III using sisters probes in a bonused ship (including superior cache sites).
The extra training time comes into play for combat probing and using unbonused ships.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55639
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Posted - 2016.07.12 02:11:43 -
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KaarBaak wrote:Interesting. I've always used an Anathema with 5 SOE probes. Last week I was doing great in it...getting to 100% generally when I get to 1AU. Skills all at 5. Highsec
Decided a couple weeks ago to try a T3 cruiser and maybe try my hand in some more...contested...areas (wormholes, primarily.)
Put the ship together and fitted it out. I'm not on my EvE PC, so don't have the exact loadout, but pretty standard...though not any of the new modules mentioned here (just came back to the game a month ago and wasn't aware of them.)
Anyway...decided to take out the ride in highsec for some trials. Was in 0.7 space and started probing down a site (5 probes...same as previous) but could not get above about 57% for some reason. I've never not been able to probe down a high-sec site using 5 SOE probes.
I didn't have a chance to go back and grab an Anathema for a direct comparison, but is this to be expected? Is an exploration-fit Legion that much worse than the Anathema? I'll grab my T3 fit when I get home and update.
KB What's the ship and sub-system skill level ?
I have all scanning, ship and sub-system skills at level 5. Clone has 1 scan Implant - Slot #8 = Poteque 'Prospector' Astrometric Rangefinding AR-806 (6% stronger scanning strength with scan probes). Using Sisters Launcher and Probes on T3 Cruiser with scan sub-system gives me 120.2 Base Sensor Strength on the probes.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Grigori
Autopilot Transportation
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Posted - 2016.07.12 02:12:53 -
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just s little clarification, i alwais launch ALL my 8 probes...
is that even more weird?
(sorry drunk replu jere ;d) |
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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
381
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Posted - 2016.07.12 03:28:08 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:KaarBaak wrote:Interesting. I've always used an Anathema with 5 SOE probes. Last week I was doing great in it...getting to 100% generally when I get to 1AU. Skills all at 5. Highsec
Decided a couple weeks ago to try a T3 cruiser and maybe try my hand in some more...contested...areas (wormholes, primarily.)
Put the ship together and fitted it out. I'm not on my EvE PC, so don't have the exact loadout, but pretty standard...though not any of the new modules mentioned here (just came back to the game a month ago and wasn't aware of them.)
Anyway...decided to take out the ride in highsec for some trials. Was in 0.7 space and started probing down a site (5 probes...same as previous) but could not get above about 57% for some reason. I've never not been able to probe down a high-sec site using 5 SOE probes.
I didn't have a chance to go back and grab an Anathema for a direct comparison, but is this to be expected? Is an exploration-fit Legion that much worse than the Anathema? I'll grab my T3 fit when I get home and update.
KB What's the ship and sub-system skill level ? I have all scanning, ship and sub-system skills at level 5. Clone has 1 scan Implant - Slot #8 = Poteque 'Prospector' Astrometric Rangefinding AR-806 (6% stronger scanning strength with scan probes). Using Sisters Launcher and Probes on T3 Cruiser with scan sub-system gives me 120.2 Base Sensor Strength on the probes. DMC my subsystem skill levels are bare minimum. All at 1.
T3 Fit: [Legion, KaarBaak's Legion] Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Warp Core Stabilizer II Warp Core Stabilizer II Warp Core Stabilizer II Warp Core Stabilizer II
50MN Microwarpdrive II Cargo Scanner II Data Analyzer II Relic Analyzer II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Core Probe Launcher Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II
Medium Anti-Thermal Pump II Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Legion Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8 Scorch M x6
This was a fit recommended for WH exploration.
I'm guessing the problem is due to the subsystem training? I guess I'll train those up and see what happens.
Dum Spiro Spero
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Grigori
Autopilot Transportation
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Posted - 2016.07.12 17:41:32 -
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Update:
probe strenght now is 118.8 and i couldn't find an unstable WH after 7/8 scan, with all 8 probes out, closing them,well doing all what I usually do... No more than 78.1
Mistery! |
Grigori
Autopilot Transportation
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Posted - 2016.07.12 18:06:08 -
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Grigori wrote:Update: probe strenght now is 118.8 and i couldn't find an unstable WH after 7/8 scan, with all 8 probes out, closing them,well doing all what I usually do... No more than 78.1 Mistery!
Update 2 : plugged the AR-806 and now scan probe's strenght is a sound 125.9
Let's see how will go from now on! |
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
382
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Posted - 2016.07.14 00:41:26 -
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Is there a link to somewhere that has the maths that go into scanning? Trying to determine how strength and deviation effect scanning.
TIA
KB
Dum Spiro Spero
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2659
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Posted - 2016.07.14 05:05:00 -
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KaarBaak wrote:Is there a link to somewhere that has the maths that go into scanning? Trying to determine how strength and deviation effect scanning.
TIA
KB
There isn't. Back when scanning was hard(ish) -- that is, deep space probes were still a thing, but not so long ago that you had to drop probes and wait -- there were some cursory attempts but they quickly got into some nasty 3-dimensional math which combined rather unfavorably with the lack of data available. Rule of thumb now: 120 pins anything, even superior sleeper caches (which are harder than anything that existed at the time). In fact, I seem ok nailing them at 113 (at least I think that's right; I don't think that clone has an AR-806). |
Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2346
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Posted - 2016.07.17 21:54:37 -
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Probably a sleeper cache. They're not easy with mediocre skills, you need implants/mods/rigs to compensate.
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2016.07.17 22:13:05 -
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u can get your probe closer to each other by manually dragging them closer holding shift key and right click if i remenber coorectly. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55719
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Posted - 2016.07.19 02:57:25 -
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I've actually started using 5 probes now which makes it much easier to lock in the signature. 1 probe is placed directly on the signature and the other 4 are placed around it at North, South, East and West, like on a compass, all intersecting the signature.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Roci Nantes
Spongeworks Ltd. Snuggle Struggle.
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Posted - 2016.07.19 16:31:24 -
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You can use a jump clone that is designed to do nothing but scan. Below is the build I use and it does make for an expensive ship but you should not run into anything you can't scan or hack.
https://o.smium.org/loadout/93374
I have not been scanning as much as of late but I do get the bug every now and again. Using a clone like that you can hop in a Tengu and go play in a WH or scan down any ded you like. I'd just replace the nomad with a crystal set if that is your plan. |
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