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CaesarGREG
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2016.07.11 23:28:40 -
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hi there
i suppose that topic was before last nerf but i think that gila needs still rebalancing.
This ship have to big DPS for the cruiser 900dps easy to get, tank is good too.
If u compare to smaller and learger gila brothers:
Worm : 300% bonus to drones Gila : 500% bonus to drones >> ??? its mistake? Rattlesnake: 300% bonus to drones
I Think Gila needs 300% bonus to drones like Rattlesnake or Worm.
thx for your opinion
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8286
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Posted - 2016.07.11 23:38:35 -
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--> Ships and Modules forum area.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Paranoid Loyd
9220
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Posted - 2016.07.12 00:02:48 -
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No
Fix the Prospect! New Server Hardware!
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
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Posted - 2016.07.12 01:03:58 -
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overheated hams wolololo
900 dps for 300m+ and get hard countered/ blobbed/ hotdropped or 600dps for 70m and have a fight, hmm....
You forgot to mention speed with t2 ab is 666m/s. Coincidence? I think not. |
W33b3l
Conquest and Kittens
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Posted - 2016.07.12 01:08:25 -
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I know they are very common in the lowsec systems I hang out in. Almost guaranteed to see one. I dont PVP in shiney so I never bothered to look up if they are as good as people think they are or not. I probably should do my research just in case I ever have to fight one though. |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
362
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Posted - 2016.07.12 08:10:20 -
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Who cares about the stats? At least they don't look like mutated vacuum cleaners anymore!
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3298
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Posted - 2016.07.12 08:12:51 -
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still get roflstomped by a svipul
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1292
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Posted - 2016.07.12 08:42:12 -
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Lan Wang wrote:still get roflstomped by a svipul
Nerf Svipul. Too much winmatar in one ship.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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CaesarGREG
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2016.07.13 21:43:44 -
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i dont have nothing against ship if have 900 dps like Tornado talos, or oracle, because have weak Tank, but gila have both and good agility, and insane EHP.
CCP should compare ship to other in asame class sometimes.
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Paranoid Loyd
9226
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Posted - 2016.07.13 22:43:42 -
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CaesarGREG wrote:CCP should compare ship to other in asame class sometimes. All though the test I presented is arguably flawed it shows 3 ships that can be considered the same class being used more effectively than the Gila.
Fix the Prospect! New Server Hardware!
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Wanda Fayne
241
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Posted - 2016.07.13 23:45:37 -
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CaesarGREG wrote:i dont have nothing against ship if have 900 dps like Tornado talos, or oracle, because have weak Tank, but gila have both and good agility, and insane EHP.
CCP should compare ship to other in asame class sometimes.
Because the Vigilant, Stratios, Orthrus, Cynabal aren't as capable?
LOL dude... what game are you playing?
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
-Lan Wang-
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
194
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Posted - 2016.07.14 08:14:46 -
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I like how every time alliances use a ship as a doctrine ship people start screaming its to powerful! NERF IT! They even did it back with the drake swarm a few years ago. drake is to strong NERF IT!. Dramiel is to fast NERF IT! Svipul is to OPed NERF IT! Catalyst is to ganky NERF IT!
I think people should stop trying to get ccp to swing the nerf bat every time they cant instantly counter a ship/fit instead of having a ship fit bout it.
Also by the way... DREADBOMB- to powerful NERF IT! |
Corvald Tyrska
Valknetra
124
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Posted - 2016.07.14 08:49:58 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:I like how every time alliances use a ship as a doctrine ship people start screaming its to powerful! NERF IT! They even did it back with the drake swarm a few years ago. drake is to strong NERF IT!. Dramiel is to fast NERF IT! Svipul is to OPed NERF IT! Catalyst is to ganky NERF IT!
I think people should stop trying to get ccp to swing the nerf bat every time they cant instantly counter a ship/fit instead of having a ship fit bout it.
Also by the way... DREADBOMB- to powerful NERF IT!
When a large number of the major groups change their doctrine to a particular ship it usually isn't because they believe that ship is particularly balanced and fair or because it will be challenging to fly and hence improve their pilots' skills.
If a lot of groups change their doctrine to the same ship at the same time, in different regions, for different styles of combat, it usually means that ship is stupidly OP.
People do have a tendency to come on here and scream for nerfs whenever they lose to a ship but in some cases it is justified. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3307
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Posted - 2016.07.14 10:47:00 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:I like how every time alliances use a ship as a doctrine ship people start screaming its to powerful! NERF IT! They even did it back with the drake swarm a few years ago. drake is to strong NERF IT!. Dramiel is to fast NERF IT! Svipul is to OPed NERF IT! Catalyst is to ganky NERF IT!
I think people should stop trying to get ccp to swing the nerf bat every time they cant instantly counter a ship/fit instead of having a ship fit bout it.
Also by the way... DREADBOMB- to powerful NERF IT!
Svipuls are pretty silly though
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
964
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Posted - 2016.07.14 11:13:57 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
Svipuls are pretty silly though
A bit.
Fun though.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
2964
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Posted - 2016.07.14 14:38:55 -
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Elenahina wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
Svipuls are pretty silly though
A bit. Fun though.
While it may or not apply to the Svipul, WTFPWNmobile are always somewhat fun for the user. |
Paranoid Loyd
9230
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Posted - 2016.07.14 15:36:57 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:I like how every time alliances use a ship as a doctrine ship people start screaming its to powerful! NERF IT! They even did it back with the drake swarm a few years ago. drake is to strong NERF IT!. Dramiel is to fast NERF IT! Svipul is to OPed NERF IT! Catalyst is to ganky NERF IT!
I think people should stop trying to get ccp to swing the nerf bat every time they cant instantly counter a ship/fit instead of having a ship fit bout it.
Also by the way... DREADBOMB- to powerful NERF IT! http://www.totootwo.com/
Fix the Prospect! New Server Hardware!
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.07.14 15:38:50 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:I like how every time alliances use a ship as a doctrine ship people start screaming its to powerful! NERF IT! They even did it back with the drake swarm a few years ago. drake is to strong NERF IT!. Dramiel is to fast NERF IT! Svipul is to OPed NERF IT! Catalyst is to ganky NERF IT!
I think people should stop trying to get ccp to swing the nerf bat every time they cant instantly counter a ship/fit instead of having a ship fit bout it.
Also by the way... DREADBOMB- to powerful NERF IT! Svipuls are pretty silly though They are good ships, but that doesnt mean they are OPed. Svipuls are fun to fly because of the utility and flexibility of them. They are still a bit squishy even in defense mode without logi support.
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ll Kuray ll
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2016.07.14 16:05:03 -
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Just stop!
Stop with the "It must be overpowered for the game"..... jesus.
Find a counter, investigate, trial and error, just anything but label something as overpowered.
This way of thinking has to stop because it creates nothing but a reactive whiney player base and developers who will always look for easy fixes to things that are not broken and should not be balanced. Balance just creates a stagnant playing field.
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Paranoid Loyd
9231
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Posted - 2016.07.14 16:22:12 -
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ll Kuray ll wrote:Just stop!
ll Kuray ll wrote:..... jesus.
ll Kuray ll wrote:nothing but a reactive whiney player base
Fix the Prospect! New Server Hardware!
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Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
39
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Posted - 2016.07.14 16:30:28 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:I like how every time alliances use a ship as a doctrine ship people start screaming its to powerful! NERF IT! They even did it back with the drake swarm a few years ago. drake is to strong NERF IT!. Dramiel is to fast NERF IT! Svipul is to OPed NERF IT! Catalyst is to ganky NERF IT!
I think people should stop trying to get ccp to swing the nerf bat every time they cant instantly counter a ship/fit instead of having a ship fit bout it.
Also by the way... DREADBOMB- to powerful NERF IT! Svipuls are pretty silly though They are good ships, but that doesnt mean they are OPed. Svipuls are fun to fly because of the utility and flexibility of them. They are still a bit squishy even in defense mode without logi support. Yeah, a destroyer with 20k EHP is like suuuper squishy guys. |
ll Kuray ll
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.07.14 17:37:29 -
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Corvald Tyrska wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:I like how every time alliances use a ship as a doctrine ship people start screaming its to powerful! NERF IT! They even did it back with the drake swarm a few years ago. drake is to strong NERF IT!. Dramiel is to fast NERF IT! Svipul is to OPed NERF IT! Catalyst is to ganky NERF IT!
I think people should stop trying to get ccp to swing the nerf bat every time they cant instantly counter a ship/fit instead of having a ship fit bout it.
Also by the way... DREADBOMB- to powerful NERF IT! When a large number of the major groups change their doctrine to a particular ship it usually isn't because they believe that ship is particularly balanced and fair or because it will be challenging to fly and hence improve their pilots' skills. If a lot of groups change their doctrine to the same ship at the same time, in different regions, for different styles of combat, it usually means that ship is stupidly OP. People do have a tendency to come on here and scream for nerfs whenever they lose to a ship but in some cases it is justified.
Well let's just give all ships a standard stat and be gone with everything else. |
Noah Reese
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Posted - 2016.07.14 19:16:47 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:I like how every time alliances use a ship as a doctrine ship people start screaming its to powerful! NERF IT! They even did it back with the drake swarm a few years ago. drake is to strong NERF IT!. Dramiel is to fast NERF IT! Svipul is to OPed NERF IT! Catalyst is to ganky NERF IT!
I think people should stop trying to get ccp to swing the nerf bat every time they cant instantly counter a ship/fit instead of having a ship fit bout it.
Also by the way... DREADBOMB- to powerful NERF IT! Svipuls are pretty silly though They are good ships, but that doesnt mean they are OPed. Svipuls are fun to fly because of the utility and flexibility of them. They are still a bit squishy even in defense mode without logi support.
You just disqualified yourself from any balancing thread. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
559
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Posted - 2016.07.16 01:13:23 -
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No, since they aren't great C3 solo boats anymore.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
417
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Posted - 2016.07.19 06:21:52 -
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Zirashi wrote:Yeah, a destroyer with 20k EHP is like suuuper squishy guys.
It's a 70 mil destroyer tho. A 70 mil cruiser ownzones it no prob.
Edit: as for the Gila, it's fina as-is. |
FT Cold
The Scope Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2016.07.19 06:34:38 -
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ll Kuray ll wrote: Balance just creates a stagnant playing field.
You're joking right? |
Remiel Pollard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7635
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Posted - 2016.07.19 06:41:33 -
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FT Cold wrote:ll Kuray ll wrote: Balance just creates a stagnant playing field.
You're joking right?
Probably not, but, there's no lack of balance here, you just need to learn to create your own. Here, let me show you.
If you bring a Gila to a fight, I'll counter it with a Phantasm. You bring a Phantasm, I'll bring an Ashimmu. You bring an Ashimmu, I'll bring a Cynnabal. And those aren't even the only possible counters, just examples of counters in the same class of ship, pirate faction cruisers. I tend to find that "x is OP, nerf it posts" often follow events where the OP has been defeated by whatever OP is claiming is OP, while in the same vein, complaining that what they got kill in is too underpowered. These are players that have no concept of how to balance their own playing field.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Noah Reese
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Posted - 2016.07.19 06:49:36 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:FT Cold wrote:ll Kuray ll wrote: Balance just creates a stagnant playing field.
You're joking right? Probably not, but, there's no lack of balance here, you just need to learn to create your own. Here, let me show you. If you bring a Gila to a fight, I'll counter it with a Phantasm. You bring a Phantasm, I'll bring an Ashimmu. You bring an Ashimmu, I'll bring a Cynnabal. And those aren't even the only possible counters, just examples of counters in the same class of ship, pirate faction cruisers. I tend to find that "x is OP, nerf it posts" often follow events where the OP has been defeated by whatever OP is claiming is OP, while in the same vein, complaining that what they got kill in is too underpowered. These are players that have no concept of how to balance their own playing field.
But the Gila IS too good so that kinda makes your statement moot. |
Remiel Pollard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7635
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Posted - 2016.07.19 07:20:33 -
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Noah Reese wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:FT Cold wrote:ll Kuray ll wrote: Balance just creates a stagnant playing field.
You're joking right? Probably not, but, there's no lack of balance here, you just need to learn to create your own. Here, let me show you. If you bring a Gila to a fight, I'll counter it with a Phantasm. You bring a Phantasm, I'll bring an Ashimmu. You bring an Ashimmu, I'll bring a Cynnabal. And those aren't even the only possible counters, just examples of counters in the same class of ship, pirate faction cruisers. I tend to find that "x is OP, nerf it posts" often follow events where the OP has been defeated by whatever OP is claiming is OP, while in the same vein, complaining that what they got kill in is too underpowered. These are players that have no concept of how to balance their own playing field. But the Gila IS too good so that kinda makes your statement moot.
But the Gila isn't too good, so that kinda makes your statement moot.
The difference between my claim and yours is, I have the experience to back it up, and I know what I'm talking about, and can prove it. Additionally, the statement that you called moot was a direct refutation of the claim you just made to support the 'mooting' you declared, so... I don't even know what to call that one. Full potato? Never go full potato.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
417
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Posted - 2016.07.19 07:42:39 -
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Let's just say the amount of "OP" ships and strategies is staggering.
Therefore I submit none of these are actually overpowered; it's about knowing how to use it and under which circumstances.
Within a same class of ships (eg 'pirate faction cruisers'), there is some room for comparison... would you like to see what an Orthrus can do? Did you know our Cynabals eat Gilas like popcorn? Vigilant? Lemme guess: those are also OP- must be that, right?
edit: typoes. |
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