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Denavit
We are not bad. Just unlucky DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.07.15 20:51:29 -
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Is is because PLEX prices, i remember buying them at 550mill, 500mill, now is almost 1bill, or is it because the changes are making oldSchoolers quit? |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.07.15 20:53:33 -
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Denavit wrote:Is is because PLEX prices, i remember buying them at 550mill, 500mill, now is almost 1bill, or is it because the changes are making oldSchoolers quit?
Yes and yes, as well as other reasons, such as an aging player base that has less free time.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Kaivarian Coste
Beyond Imports and Exports
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Posted - 2016.07.15 21:00:24 -
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Maybe my memory is fuzzy but I seem to recall when PLEX was only 350m. I remember when belts would be stripped bare in most high sec systems. And this wasn't too long ago (maybe 4 or 5 years when I first signed up?) |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.07.15 21:06:53 -
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Plex used to be 1.2B.
Either supply as spiked, or demand has dropped.
A signature :o
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
965
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Posted - 2016.07.15 21:08:50 -
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Kaivarian Coste wrote:Maybe my memory is fuzzy but I seem to recall when PLEX was only 350m. I remember when belts would be stripped bare in most high sec systems. And this wasn't too long ago (maybe 4 or 5 years when I first signed up?)
When they were first introduced...I remember that as well.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.07.15 21:24:43 -
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There are lots of other games to play, and CCP's latest developments seem to revolve around the further fleecing monetization of existing players, and attracting short-attention-span pay2win types of new players.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2016.07.15 21:49:56 -
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MMO's popularity in general is dropping, with MPORG's (Think I got that right) and CCG's taking over the market. If you put the growth fall curve of most MMO's next to EVE's EVE continued to grow for longer and is falling much slower than most. Meaning CCP is actually doing a lot of things right.
Most of the ones claiming 'success' are P2W F2P MMO's where they have a small core of players spending huge sums a month, and they claim everyone who has ever made an account even for 1 hour of game play as a 'player'. So when they talk about 7 million players or what have you, they aren't talking about concurrent logins or anything like active accounts. They are talking about total accounts ever. Which if CCP released the figures I'm guessing would actually be huge in EVE. Even total accounts that ever subscribed would be a significant number.
Recent development decisions may have a small impact on the player numbers, but I would expect that a lot of it is based on economic & social factors which are utterly out of CCP's control. |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.07.15 22:56:52 -
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The two reasons you've listed are not it / don't cover all the possible reasons why. This thread is going to devolve into lots of opinions, without any data or proof to back any of them.
And a lot of the opinions are just going to bash CCP, which is just going to **** them off and devolve into flaming anyway.
This thread is a flame bait thread. Posting "why does this game suck?" on a game's primary forum is a troll post. |
DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
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Posted - 2016.07.15 23:27:26 -
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many reasons, but none 100%. As the reason people stop playing are subjective. You also can;t take the eve-offline pcu numbers to be the be all that ends all, as there are lots of people who are playing training online, and just leave a few accounts accruing skill points but they don;t need to long into due to the queue.
We are actually up a bit form last year. But as its summer, we should start dipping some in players. I still predict a decent rebound next year, which the trend was started but has since sorta turned stable
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Denavit
We are not bad. Just unlucky DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.07.15 23:47:23 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:The two reasons you've listed are not it / don't cover all the possible reasons why. This thread is going to devolve into lots of opinions, without any data or proof to back any of them.
And a lot of the opinions are just going to bash CCP, which is just going to **** them off and devolve into flaming anyway.
This thread is a flame bait thread. Posting "why does this game suck?" on a game's primary forum is a troll post.
Im asking in a good way, i've never said this game sucked, i love this game and thas why i am asking, because i see it, and i want more ppl to play. Im just trying to figure out why ppl stoped playing. |
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.07.16 00:16:38 -
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Many more options - many of which are free to play on cell phones. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.07.16 00:45:43 -
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About 70-80% of my recreational computer use is done via mobile devices now.
Not saying that's the reason. It's way too complex an issue to assign a single reason. For me anyway, it is a contributor to less overall time in game. I still play daily, but not the same amount of time I used to. |
Emiko P'eng
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Posted - 2016.07.16 01:37:34 -
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As a talk at Fanfest showed the majority of the Plex price increase especially the spikes can be attributed to the 'Real World' exchange rate of the Russian Ruble & the USA financing the Fracking of oil with loans they are having trouble paying back!
EVE Fanfest 2016 - LAB-M: EVE and the Economics of War the detailed description is about 37mins in
If you told me before that talk that the above was the reason for high Plex prices I would have not believed it It just goes to show how Real EVE is
The other thing from Fanfest is the Pillars of the EVE Online Economy Infographic which shows just how much ISK exists in the EVE Universe.
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Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.07.16 01:37:49 -
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Posting in an "Eve is dying" thread! \o/ |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.07.16 01:47:45 -
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People went to the F2P market which actually isnt F2P and is more expensive than a sub game. There are people who spend hundreds of dollars A DAY on these games. One of the more advertised of these, game of war, is actually one of the biggest money sinks ever created. The f2p games ive tried are nothing bur p2w pyramid schemes. Ill stick to sub games.
I think one of eve's problem is commitment required. Game of war, you can log in for like 10 minutes then log out and actually do something in game. In eve you log in for 10 minutes you can fly between docks. Im not saying they should put things in docks. But eve requires a bigger commitment...and as it was said a PC. A lot of people are glued to their phones. PCs themselves are less popular than they were 5 years ago and so are pc non mobile games. |
Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.07.16 02:35:30 -
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Its a 13 year old game. Despite CCPs insistence that updates make it EvE not 13 years old it still is.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2016.07.16 03:37:58 -
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Elenahina wrote:Denavit wrote:Is is because PLEX prices, i remember buying them at 550mill, 500mill, now is almost 1bill, or is it because the changes are making oldSchoolers quit? Yes and yes, as well as other reasons, such as an aging player base that has less free time. People seem to keep discounting that one. A lot of the original 2003 crowd are growing up, settling down, or just moving on with their lives.
Rattati Senpai noticed us! See you in the next FPS!
Alts: Saray Wyvern, Mobius Wyvern (Dust 514)
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.07.16 04:48:52 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Its a 13 year old game. Despite CCPs insistence that updates make it EvE not 13 years old it still is. Eve has had pretty much every part of it upgraded to new technology more than once. Its actually not really much different in terms of tech than other much newer space games ive played.
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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
343
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Posted - 2016.07.16 05:42:24 -
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Eve Off-line data
We're actually pretty stable in terms of logged in players. We don't have the 45k average of the last 5 years, but haven't dropped off a cliff yet. |
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
343
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Posted - 2016.07.16 05:43:36 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Its a 13 year old game. Despite CCPs insistence that updates make it EvE not 13 years old it still is. Eve has had pretty much every part of it upgraded to new technology more than once. Its actually not really much different in terms of tech than other much newer space games ive played.
That, and the gameplay remains very different than most other options out there. (If someone has experience with Star Citizen or No Man's Sky that can tell us differently, please do so.) |
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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
343
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Posted - 2016.07.16 05:45:59 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:About 70-80% of my recreational computer use is done via mobile devices now.
Not saying that's the reason. It's way too complex an issue to assign a single reason. For me anyway, it is a contributor to less overall time in game. I still play daily, but not the same amount of time I used to.
Hmmm... so if CCP came out with an EVE-tie-in that was a little like Pokemon Go, where we'd hunt each other based on coordinates given on our smart phones? Wait, Never Mind! Real life ganking doesn't allow for waking up in a clone bay! Don't do it, CCP!!! |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.07.16 07:24:41 -
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The war is over, goons are dead, it's summer ... and, the event sucks, there is no reason to fight over nullsec anymore and citadels in their half-finished state are not much more than a gimmick right now.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Tao Dolcino
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.07.16 07:41:46 -
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Since 2-3 years, CCP is using a great amount of energy to waste our gameplay. It has been the new map, the new scanning interface, the new icons, the new UI, the new camera, etc etc... each time forcing it on us despite a huge negative feedback during the tests. Each time we've had to fight hard here to make these incompetent changes optionals. That's the reason why i have left for one year. Now, with the last station camera, we've had to fight again to have it optional, but at least it did not take them long to react and give us the choice, which. after all, is the best way to keep everyone happy. When i leave EVE, it's always because of CCP's stupid choices. I'm not going to describe them again here, but trust me, the list is long...
CCP 2015 : "Fluff is good"
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Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2016.07.16 09:14:28 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote: People seem to keep discounting that one. A lot of the original 2003 crowd are growing up, settling down, or just moving on with their lives.
This. I'm in the latter part of a decade on EVE. In my freaking 30's. Priorities change. |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
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Posted - 2016.07.16 10:01:35 -
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Emiko P'eng wrote:... the USA financing the Fracking of oil with loans they are having trouble paying back! OMG this is hilarious. Whoever dreamed this up should write for stand-up comics...fracking loans....hooboy.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2016.07.17 04:49:37 -
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Doc Fury wrote:There are lots of other games to play, and CCP's latest developments seem to revolve around the further fleecing monetization of existing players, and attracting short-attention-span pay2win types of new players who don't stick around very long and are distracted easily.
"Why whales sing - how big spenders drive retention and virality" by CCP |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2016.07.17 04:50:31 -
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Sustrai Aditua wrote:Emiko P'eng wrote:... the USA financing the Fracking of oil with loans they are having trouble paying back! OMG this is hilarious. Whoever dreamed this up should write for stand-up comics...fracking loans.... hooboy.
Super powers don't owe debts. All they do when they want to write off loans is declare them void. |
Tzuke
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.07.17 06:35:37 -
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Many reasons...game has hardly changed in 13 years, greater competition than 3 years ago, rise of ftp mmo models, complexity of gameplay with the minimal tutorial explaining things
It's no different to any other mmo atm. Check out any mmo forums and you'll see the same posts there. I think I only play eve now due to playing mmos for over 15 years and it's out of habit rather than enjoying the game... As I'm burnt out on all the rest |
Cedille Mureau
Institute of Archaeology
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Posted - 2016.07.17 10:26:25 -
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Denavit wrote:Im asking in a good way, i've never said this game sucked, i love this game and thas why i am asking, because i see it, and i want more ppl to play. Im just trying to figure out why ppl stoped playing.
It's an acquired taste and is not for everyone. It can be hard to get started, less so now than when I first played, but the learning curve is something that needs a lot of work to master.
Again, the atmosphere is not to everyone's taste, it can be pretty cold and hostile, which is something that CCP deliberately went for. So people can be hurt and think, "That's not for me."
Having said that EVE can get under your skin, I can't seem to get to grips with all the back-stabbing, griefing and so on that are part of the game, but I have just come back from a lay-off of about 18 months. There's something about the game that draws me back again and again. |
Max Fubarticus
K Diamond Holding LTD. Bullets Bombs and Blondes
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Posted - 2016.07.17 13:01:22 -
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Denavit wrote:Is is because PLEX prices, i remember buying them at 550mill, 500mill, now is almost 1bill, or is it because the changes are making oldSchoolers quit?
The answer is yes. After the "Big Bang", space time as we know it began to stretch. As a result...
...In conclusion, we are doomed.
Everyone logs in on a different game when you log in to Eve. Every time we have an "Eve is dying troll thread", untold gazillions of neutrinos die, having never met the gluon of their dreams. You should be ashamed of the callous destruction you have caused
Have a nice day
Max
Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never.
Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.
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