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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.07.23 23:24:46 -
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Mortlake spotted him in the wild last week, lowsec in a loki i think. He's still about.
Better the Devil you know.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.07.23 23:29:52 -
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Speaking of players logged in:
Back in 2013, the average daily number was 48,000.
The lowest point in that year was just under 37,000
The lowest point in that year was several thousand players above the highest point these days.
Average number of players logged in in
2014: 41,000
2015: 34,000
For 2016 YTD: 32,000
April-July of this year: 26,000
If the current trend continues the peak number of players logging will likely drop below 30,000. Granted there does appear to be seasonality in the data--i.e. players logged in slumps in the summer months. But there is also undoubtedly a longer term and persistent downward trend.
Subscriptions are also likely highly correlated with players logged on. So looking at the change from 2014 to 2015 we are talking a whopping 17% decrease in subscriptions.
If we look at the change from 2013 to 2015 a 29% decrease.
Now you know why CCP is always having PLEX sales.
BTW, if I could get my hands on the actual data...I could tell quite a bit more....
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Denavit
We are not bad. Just unlucky DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.07.24 00:18:20 -
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wow, this got a lot of good responses, didn't expect it =O btw, come to null, we have nothing to kill =( |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.07.24 00:23:51 -
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Denavit wrote:wow, this got a lot of good responses, didn't expect it =O btw, come to null, we have nothing to kill =( Goons and Russians, never not shoot them, even if they're blues.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Denavit
We are not bad. Just unlucky DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.07.24 01:04:40 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Denavit wrote:wow, this got a lot of good responses, didn't expect it =O btw, come to null, we have nothing to kill =( Goons and Russians, never not shoot them, even if they're blues.
They are way to far from our region , and there is no fast way to move now =/ |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
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Posted - 2016.07.24 01:09:58 -
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Goons got you right where they wanted ;-) |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.07.24 06:01:50 -
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Chinese players on their server seem to lack the bleeding of players, not only 7 k in players logged in difference.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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ugh zug
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Posted - 2016.07.24 06:14:28 -
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lack of content. /thread
Want me to shut up?
Remove content from my post,1B.
Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13861
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Posted - 2016.07.24 06:18:17 -
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Move to null if you want war. Actually CCP may be on the tracks there.
To repopulate it in different way now.
Only if we could have more those players who beside shooting easy targets would like to move to null and be actually in some risk there.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5728
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Posted - 2016.07.24 10:53:22 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:
BTW, if I could get my hands on the actual data...I could tell quite a bit more....
I posted the future of EvE subs back in 2011, inside an Akita T thread. There's nothing else to read than that.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.07.24 11:18:34 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Move to null if you want war. Actually CCP may be on the tracks there.
To repopulate it in different way now.
Only if we could have more those players who beside shooting easy targets would like to move to null and be actually in some risk there.
Where are you, hardened PvP ers with a lot of ISK for wardecs? You still chase the bunny, not wanting to come up to the challenge of bigger pray that can bite back? 0.0 space is surprisingly bad for PvP - unless you really enjoy just being a small, insignificant piece of a much larger fleet led by somebody else, or you happen to be one of the few people who can handle the stress of leading a 1000 person fleet - which is much like herding 1000 cats...
And the reason these fleets exist is to either conquer or protect the space *so that the PvE players can farm it*. Because ultimately, 0.0 is primarily for hard-core PvE players who want to make a LOT of money. Sure they get to hop into fleets and shoot things from time to time if they want to, but that is just a break from their PvE farming.
So - why don't *you* and all the other people who supposedly want to PvE get your lazy rear ends out to 0.0 space where you could make some serious money doing it, instead of derping around high sec for arguably more direct risk and far less rewards? |
W33b3l
Conquest and Kittens
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Posted - 2016.07.24 12:31:13 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Move to null if you want war. Actually CCP may be on the tracks there.
To repopulate it in different way now.
Only if we could have more those players who beside shooting easy targets would like to move to null and be actually in some risk there.
Where are you, hardened PvP ers with a lot of ISK for wardecs? You still chase the bunny, not wanting to come up to the challenge of bigger pray that can bite back? 0.0 space is surprisingly bad for PvP - unless you really enjoy just being a small, insignificant piece of a much larger fleet led by somebody else, or you happen to be one of the few people who can handle the stress of leading a 1000 person fleet - which is much like herding 1000 cats... And the reason these fleets exist is to either conquer or protect the space *so that the PvE players can farm it*. Because ultimately, 0.0 is primarily for hard-core PvE players who want to make a LOT of money. Sure they get to hop into fleets and shoot things from time to time if they want to, but that is just a break from their PvE farming. So - why don't *you* and all the other people who supposedly want to PvE get your lazy rear ends out to 0.0 space where you could make some serious money doing it, instead of derping around high sec for arguably more direct risk and far less rewards?
You have a point. CCP should update the EULA to make the renting of space a bannable offense. Then maybe money (isk) minded people might give 2 craps about moving to null and join a corp that actually owns space.
Or CCP could finish WIS and let people buy emotes with aurum giving all the vets the middle finger but bringing in a lot of new players.
I say we're screwed no matter what lol.
Bu we're fine in the mean time.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13867
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Posted - 2016.07.24 12:36:28 -
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If really Null is for PvE null bears, so why mercenaries dont go there? Bears with teeth? Pandemic Legion isnt mercenary alliance that is fighting in Null? I thought it was.
Maybe CCP starts to think they should make more differentiation between high and null, by making high safer, so actual PvP ers will move where they will not bother PvE centric players so much, and will give these non wardecable social corporations, and take away possibility to shoot others without war target flag in high.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Posted - 2016.07.24 14:46:07 -
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Apparently there are still TOO MANY players in EvE.
Every time I want to go exploring or looking for some cheap ore in an "out of the way" system... there's always someone there to spoil my fun.
Where are these "empty" systems?
--Curious Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Terminal Insanity
Pwn 'N Play Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2016.07.24 16:43:17 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:If really Null is for PvE null bears, so why mercenaries dont go there after them? Bears with teeth? Pandemic Legion isnt mercenary alliance that is fighting in Null? I thought it was. Maybe CCP starts to think they should make more differentiation between high and null, by making high safer, so actual PvP ers will move where they will not bother PvE centric players so much, and will give these non wardecable social corporations without ability to make industrial structures, and take away possibility to shoot others without war target flag in high.
People do hunt bears in null. Every day hundreds of null bears get their **** pushed in. The difference, is null bears just dont care Thats what they were in null for in the first place. They dont throw a tantrum when their rattlesnake gets ganked. They just replace it and continue.
This is what highsec people dont get. Highsec people sit there in their deadspace golems running lvl4s 16 hours a day, and the very idea that someone could possibly gank them at some point, is absolutely abhorrent to them. They think that its "ruining their game". Kid, that IS the game. The risk adds a ton of excitement to the game, unless you're one of those idiots who wants a perfect record, and thinks ccp should remove killmails because you dont want any record of any losses. Yea, with that attitude you'll have an absolute terrible time in eve and you'll think the whole game is out to get you. because IT IS OUT TO GET YOU. thats what the game is designed to do. Its designed to put you at risk at all times.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Loki Yamaguchi
Level 42 Industries
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Posted - 2016.07.24 16:46:43 -
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IMO HiSec is too safe, huge and profitable for most to even bother with LowSec/Null. Characters can PLEX their accounts easily and never leave the comfort of HiSec.
What IGÇÖd like to seeGǪ
- A real bounty system that works.
- Nerf/Remove Concord and make policing a player job.
- Have HiSec GÇ£authoritiesGÇ¥ fight to keep HiSec with 0.5-0.7 systems being able to be captured/lost to LowSec status.
- Have the faction war actually matter and maybe some type of conscription system.
Essentially make the big safe pool smaller and more dangerous but give more tools/incentives to protect that pool. Players will fine less ISK to harvest in the safety of HiSec and have to go into LowSec to earn.
Force them into LowSec to show that it's really not that bad... |
Terminal Insanity
Pwn 'N Play Spaceship Samurai
941
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Posted - 2016.07.24 16:48:10 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Apparently there are still TOO MANY players in EvE.
Every time I want to go exploring or looking for some cheap ore in an "out of the way" system... there's always someone there to spoil my fun.
Where are these "empty" systems?
--Curious Gadget
come to nullsec. Our guys are out there right now with a rorqual pressing freighterloads of ore all day. You dont need to worry about CODE gankers ether. We have intel channels and standing fleets that will help keep you safe. And when you inevitably do get ganked while watching netflix, you wont care because you'll have made more than enough to replace it 10x over. Plus you'll probaly end up with hilarious killmails where the guy trying to kill you ends up dying to a fleet of miners.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13875
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Posted - 2016.07.24 16:51:25 -
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If nullbears are there and dont care, and the rest of high sec cares, CCP will do what I proposed.
If now the risk for common highsec bear is abhorrent, and they dont want to be ganked, and they are not ganked as often as they would fear, and its like they dont even care about ganks if they do it in low populated and tech 2 fitted ships, and occasional gank is only pissing them off and they dont want to play any longer, same as with wardecs, CCP will do what I proposed.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Terminal Insanity
Pwn 'N Play Spaceship Samurai
941
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Posted - 2016.07.24 17:12:44 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:*bleh* you dont get it. You just dont get it. Go play those X games if you want pure pve. Go play a PvE game if you do not like eve. eve is pvp only. Even when you're shooting up rats all day, you're still in a pvp world and consenting to pvp.
The reason we're bleeding players is because people like you who come in here trying to force ccp to change this game into something it isnt.
This is not WOW in space. You do not have the right to be safe in eve. Ether play the game that was designed to put you at risk, or play a different game.
This would be like me going into WOW and demanding blizzard turn every area into non-consentual pvp areas with permanent item loss. How offensive would that be to the millions of existing players who enjoy the game the way it was designed?
Thats what you're doing here in eve. You've come across this game, and now you;re trying to force its entire player base to accept your rules. **** off if you dont like eve.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.07.24 17:21:48 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:*bleh* you dont get it. You just dont get it. Go play those X games if you want pure pve. Go play a PvE game if you do not like eve. eve is pvp only. Even when you're shooting up rats all day, you're still in a pvp world and consenting to pvp. The reason we're bleeding players is because people like you who come in here trying to force ccp to change this game into something it isnt. This is not WOW in space. You do not have the right to be safe in eve. Ether play the game that was designed to put you at risk, or play a different game. This would be like me going into WOW and demanding blizzard turn every area into non-consentual pvp areas with permanent item loss. How offensive would that be to the millions of existing players who enjoy the game the way it was designed? Thats what you're doing here in eve. You've come across this game, and now you;re trying to force its entire player base to accept your rules. **** off if you dont like eve.
There's no risk to insult millions of players here....
Considering that most veterans use 2/3/4 or more accounts, it's more some thousand of players if you are lucky....
should be a giant warning bell for any game developer honestly. |
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13886
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Posted - 2016.07.24 17:26:01 -
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I think you are in mistake.
CCP realizes its niche because of reasons, reasons you are not grasping. This niche is every year smaller. The changes to game, as they are, are too little to drastically shift the way game appeals to new players. It appeals only to this niche you are in. You are in minority. You can fear this is the only game for you.
I can assure you, null and low will be there to PvP and faction warfare. These changes will not make so much change to the way PvP is done there, they wil only sacrifice the gankers and griefing wardeccers But it will change the way new players will perceive it, if I am right and new players trying the game dont like how it now looks and dont subscribe or dont stay long, and they are still trying it, despite CCP giving majority of them middle finger thru those years.
That is my hypothesis. You can all dont agree with it, but maybe this is the way they are walking now.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2016.07.24 17:34:37 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:I think you are in mistake.
CCP realizes its niche because of reasons, reasons you are not grasping. This niche is every year smaller. The changes to game, as they are, are too little to drastically shift the way game appeals to new players. It appeals only to this niche you are in. You are in minority. You can fear this is the only game for you.
I can assure you, null and low will be there to PvP and faction warfare. These changes will not make so much change to the way PvP is done there, they wil only sacrifice the gankers and griefing wardeccers But it will change the way new players will perceive it, if I am right and new players trying the game dont like how it now looks and dont subscribe or dont stay long, and they are still trying it, despite CCP giving majority of them middle finger thru those years.
Yes, and it's very strange devs don't realize:
- Long term veterans would accept changes, even to their sick hisec/wardec ideas, they invested too much time and money on this game to quit, they will not quit...( prove is they accept to be enslaved by total grind events even if they keep saying it's a sandbox...we are free...yes even in wow you are free to stay in the world doing your things...none forces you to grind...
- New players and persons who try the game are, on the contrary easily disgusted by harassing/ganking and so on, in particular if they don't know games mechanics in detail, so they will leave and tell anyone asking them about this game that it's a horrible game collecting all the horrible gankers that have no other place left where they can pour out their rage on others... |
Loki Yamaguchi
Level 42 Industries
10
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Posted - 2016.07.24 17:48:41 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:- New players and persons who try the game are, on the contrary easily disgusted by harassing/ganking and so on, in particular if they don't know games mechanics in detail, so they will leave and tell anyone asking them about this game that it's a horrible game collecting all the horrible gankers that have no other place left where they can pour out their rage on others...
CCP's own data prove you are wrong here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y;t=54s
A sense of boredom brought on by a perceived lack of risk/excitement seems to be what drives players away. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13888
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Posted - 2016.07.24 18:22:16 -
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Loki Yamaguchi wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:- New players and persons who try the game are, on the contrary easily disgusted by harassing/ganking and so on, in particular if they don't know games mechanics in detail, so they will leave and tell anyone asking them about this game that it's a horrible game collecting all the horrible gankers that have no other place left where they can pour out their rage on others... CCP's own data prove you are wrong here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y;t=54s
Please read the commentaries under the video first.
If you would listen carefully, you would know its half assed attempt to know what actually is going on, because:
Its only for 15 day old players. And they not bothered to ask about why they tried the game in the first place, what they imagined before playing. So this alone could have affected the results in greater perspective. Like how much players were bored by what, were annoyed by what.
1 % people have been ganked for first 15 days. Clearly a trial timespan. How much game you can explore in that timespan, what can you acquire being completely new, and who the hell ganks 15 day old noobs? If they would care to watch players play more, like for a month or two, different timespans...
Those who have been killed played longer, that may have been because of one reason, they have seeked vengeance, stayed to learn how to gank others, because its so easy and can cause mischef. This one percent is affected by mischief. Will affect the rest that plays the game in negative way as we could have seen. Also its only result from one percent, so they could be borderline inexact in relation to the majority.
No wonder that "I have lost ship, or I have been harassed" in resignation is so low. It could be a shame to write in resignation, "I resigned because I have imagined myself as a warrior and was blown up in one shot, I feel violated", this pool may have been affected by emotions.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Loki Yamaguchi
Level 42 Industries
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Posted - 2016.07.24 18:32:37 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Please read the commentaries under the video first.
Nah..I'll listen to the people that have the data, make the exit-polls and in general know what's going on (big picture) more than most. Reading YouTube comments should never be the basis of anything other than cautionary tales covering why you shouldn't listen to trolls... |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13890
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Posted - 2016.07.24 18:44:44 -
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Loki Yamaguchi wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Please read the commentaries under the video first. Nah..I'll listen to the people that have the data, make the exit-polls and in general know what's going on (big picture) more than most. Reading YouTube comments should never be the basis of anything other than cautionary tales covering why you shouldn't listen to trolls... These are no trolls. If you would bother reading also mine commentary for it, you would know they speak from experience. Badly researched data leads to wrong conclusion. They did let you know on video how they tried to research data, well, maybe they should have asked at university first how to make that kind of research.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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zus
Cyber Naval Command Research and Development
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Posted - 2016.07.24 19:10:31 -
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Denavit wrote:Is is because PLEX prices, i remember buying them at 550mill, 500mill, now is almost 1bill, or is it because the changes are making oldSchoolers quit?
Nothing to do with PLEX
I started playing EVE at 2003 or 04 i use to play Allegiance back then and after sum time the servers started crashing so i got tired and quit plying.
I first saw EVE at MSN's website advertising next with Allegiance so i give her a try and ever since have became the primary game to go to.
Even when i get tired of her for sum period of time and try sum other games eventually i rebound back to her ,
Many of older players like me have sold their character for isk like i did, when no longer want to be competitive and just want to enjoy the game as a beginner since is a lot more material to go through and challenges, especially when significant updates with new material are implemented we run back to EVE to try it out
For me and like-minded people what attracts us to EVE is high sec the reason is / no time frame commitment in action we need to be able to interrupt and continue ,
So if there is lock in content or restriction in experiencing the full content of the game then we have loss of motivation and take a break for awhile.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13890
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Posted - 2016.07.24 19:23:32 -
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Post above gives a glimpse of how EVE is played, its not by 15 day old player.
So if they really want to have good research, they would really need to go and explore the playerbase. But pols are so much annoying to do, most players would probably mine a whole belt while listening to Nightwish than do an exhausive pool.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Loki Yamaguchi
Level 42 Industries
10
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Posted - 2016.07.24 20:54:05 -
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So now we're playing the old 'use alt to back-up position' forum warrior trick... |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.07.24 21:28:40 -
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Yes, All of them are my alts, I am making those threads myself, all of them.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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