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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:16:13 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:I will not speak for all those players, they have speak up on many accasions themselves in CCP pools. In my case it was a perspective to fly a spaceship and walk in stations. Doing spaceshippy stuff. Ironically, the CCP did not make high sec safer, because they did it wrong way. Even ganking can be removed from the game by making player weapons with safes not to shoot another capsuleers in High sec.
CCP cant design good systems for majority of players, they are catering to ilusionary space wikings in null. That is why they cant have more players. Well believe it or not they really do seem to be trying to accomodate you - and as slow/bumpy as the road may be, this is actually much faster/smoother than most EVE changes have *historically* been. Only time will tell - but I suspect in a few years they may get EVE close to the state you want it in. Give them some time and see how it goes. Half assed attempts to keep the spirit of EVE in majority to satisfy current players. CCP was always afraid they will lose the precious few pleyers they had, so they made only small iterations. That speeds up the process of consolidating around the system flaws and removes those who see them clearly and dont agree with sitiation its heading into. Spirit of EVE was always this harsh one. CCP could not separate it to null sec, they always wanted everyone to move to null because of big space battles and once in a while a news header. You could see that they did when the war broke up. There was player surge, but it dropped again when the war was over. A small succes, shortlived. CCP was fixated on wrong things all those 13 years to talk about more players now. Game has reputation of being overly cruel to common carebear, so they will not have those other players that only in option give something about wardecs and wars.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:26:04 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Half assed attempts to keep the spirit of EVE in majority to satisfy current players. CCP was always afraid they will lose the precious few pleyers they had, so they made only small iterations. That speeds up the process of consolidating around the system flaws and removes those who see them clearly and dont agree with sitiation its heading into. Spirit of EVE was always this harsh one. CCP could not separate it to null sec, they always wanted everyone to move to null because of big space battles and once in a while a news header. You could see that they did when the war broke up. There was player surge, but it dropped again when the war was over. A small succes, shortlived. CCP was fixated on wrong things all those 13 years to talk about more players now. Game has reputation of being overly cruel to common carebear, so they will not have those other players that only in option give something about wardecs and wars. I think they may have finally given up on trying to hold on to their original player-base - at least outside of 0.0, and possibly even there soon. |
Nana Skalski
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:29:07 -
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No, I dont believe even wardec changes that will come, will bring new kind of players, but they will make stay some a bit longer.
Nothing can help to bring new kind of players to this game. Current game market is even against it.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
482
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:49:05 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:I'm not talking about myself so stop with the "you" I'm merely offering an opinion.
I do whatever I want to in the game as I learnt a long time ago to have standby alts so in a wardec I just laugh and carry on.
But how about addressing the other points? Or are you just interested in more targets rather than any other aspect of the game? I was addressing the other points as well. PvE in EVE has always been a joke. Until the past couple of years we didn't even have the events. It was literally just the same canned missions/anomalies/etc from 2003....Pathetic as the modern additions are....they are competing with *nothing whatsoever*....so it is "progress" CCP has never explained their updates, and historically they have always been half-finished and buggy. You are lucky, because the past few years have again seen drastic improvements in that department. You can imagine some glorious golden past all you want - but the past few years have seen *more* game development done *better* than ever before in EVE's history... edit: Semi-Unrelated side-note: I personally don't much care for the direction EVE is heading - this is why *I* have unsubscribed. However, I'm not saying they don't need to go there to survive. I can see how far the game has fallen into chaos and abuse with the current mechanics - and I don't particularly enjoy the blanket-dec or ganking environment myself, even though it doesn't *directly* affect me. Something has to change - and CCP is changing it. I honestly think if you just hang in there and give them a few more years they'll bring the game into the modern age and it will be a lot better for most players.
I'm not imaging some golden past as I have only been here for 4 years and a few months, but in that time one thing is a blazing fact, and that is that the player base has seen a constant decline despite all the updates. It's still declining albeit at a slower pace.
One thing is clear though, there is one recurring theme in that all time, that "appears" to be one of the main things behind the decline.
I came close to un-subbing recently myself, I even re-activated my WoW and Dofus accounts but decided to wait for the Citadel expansion. It promised a lot but inevitably offered virtually nothing to myself as a Miner/Industrialist/Explorer and Mission runner, so now I'm stuck waiting for the next iteration of it, will it offer me something or will it be another let down? Time will tell I suppose.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
270
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:49:25 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:No, I dont believe even wardec changes that will come, will bring new kind of players, but they will make stay some a bit longer.
Nothing can help to bring new kind of players to this game. Current game market is even against it. Time will tell - but if they keep trying to ride the fence EVE may just finally die.
I mean people like me are quitting now because they *are* making changes to appeal to the modern gamer....If the modern gamers also quit because they drag their feet or just can't make the game appealing they aren't going to be left with much... |
Flitz Farseeker
Mass HaVoK KAOS Unlimited
29
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:53:06 -
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[pedant on] If there really were less players every year then the peak number of users would have been in the first year of the game, which is not the case and can be clearly seen in various graphs including the one on eve-offline.net. [pedant off]
Possible reasons numbers are down at the moment include summer holidays, Pokemon Go and the Donald. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13817
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:56:14 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:No, I dont believe even wardec changes that will come, will bring new kind of players, but they will make stay some a bit longer.
Nothing can help to bring new kind of players to this game. Current game market is even against it. Time will tell - but if they keep trying to ride the fence EVE may just finally die. I mean people like me are quitting now because they *are* making changes to appeal to the modern gamer....If the modern gamers also quit because they drag their feet or just can't make the game appealing they aren't going to be left with much... Problem with all games that try to combine all PvE and PvP. You cant satisfy one part without the other if you keep them too close. Separating them but still keeping the ties that they like is a hard thing. CCP in their atempts tried to make it. We still play this game is not a complete failure from them.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
482
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:59:37 -
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Flitz Farseeker wrote:[pedant on] If there really were less players every year then the peak number of users would have been in the first year of the game, which is not the case and can be clearly seen in various graphs including the one on eve-offline.net. [pedant off] Possible reasons numbers are down at the moment include summer holidays, Pokemon Go and the Donald.
Nope it's nothing to do with any of that.
When I started playing in 2012 there was nearly always 50k+ players on at most times of the day, now we struggle to see a regular 20k+ online even at peak times. Even the stats from CCP show a big decline in users. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
270
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Posted - 2016.07.22 13:08:36 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Flitz Farseeker wrote:[pedant on] If there really were less players every year then the peak number of users would have been in the first year of the game, which is not the case and can be clearly seen in various graphs including the one on eve-offline.net. [pedant off] Possible reasons numbers are down at the moment include summer holidays, Pokemon Go and the Donald. Nope it's nothing to do with any of that. When I started playing in 2012 there was nearly always 50k+ players on at most times of the day, now we struggle to see a regular 20k+ online even at peak times. Even the stats from CCP show a big decline in users. Interestingly the peak came in early 2013 - just before they doubled down and re-released micro-transactions into the game and began their modern development plan/cycle....
A paranoid person might think it was related... |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13817
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Posted - 2016.07.22 13:25:27 -
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Another matter is their attempts to milk everyone with these things like skins and clothing, skins are not worth as much for a player to give out such money on them. And they are not customizable. Only for particular hull. I was never a fan of the implementation, and I dont see much people who are.
Same was with Incarna.
Maybe we can see a pattern there is. Players wait for something, and when its not what they wanted (CCP to blame for not keeping up to the word like with demos on fanfests), they leave en masse. Only those who doeasnt really bother with it, stay.
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Nitshe Razvedka
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Posted - 2016.07.22 13:32:16 -
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In answer to the threads Question
= because of Code like behaviour.
An Eve life unexamined is not worth living.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Apus
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.07.22 13:34:16 -
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Denavit wrote:Is is because PLEX prices, i remember buying them at 550mill, 500mill, now is almost 1bill, or is it because the changes are making oldSchoolers quit? I started at 2004.
I have came back several times.
This time I created two separate careers, but got bored after about a week. The problem is not lack of skills. The problem is the game itself.
For example missions. For over decade the missions have been the same. You would have thought that in a decade they could come up with a new set of missions. But no. You cannot mine due gankers.
Nulsec never was the thing for me even that I was there three years. Being docked up at outpost for four hours waiting FC to call 'undock' which never game because they had on more ship than we did..
PVP has changed, but basically it is the same. Blob, blob and blob. Individual playerskill needed: zero.
I like the lore. I like the SCIFI in the gaming world. But the game is empty. No content. Too static. Too boring.
I say that it would be best just to kill EVE and release EVE 2.0. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.07.22 13:41:36 -
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Quote:For over decade the missions have been the same. One would think they would come up with more variation to spawn and loot in rooms or procedural mission system in general.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
289
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Posted - 2016.07.22 13:51:24 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Quote:For over decade the missions have been the same. One would think they would come up with more variation to spawn and loot in rooms or procedural mission system in general. The Lore is one of the shinier things here. But I think that EVE 2.0 would be dead on arrival as everyone with closing of EVE will completely lack interest for further playing, so much is attached to this world. If they would keep EVE, everyone would stay here. But they are developing other games in EVE universe. The issue is that whenever they try and make EVE more engaging the neckbeards come out of the woodwork and make dumb threads about how having to actually be active in the game to accomplish things is counter to the "spirit of EVE Online" and is just CCP trying to dumb it down for casuals.
Personally, I would be a mission runner if all the NPCs were dangerous and there was some variety in the kinds I could fight.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.07.22 13:58:11 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Quote:For over decade the missions have been the same. One would think they would come up with more variation to spawn and loot in rooms or procedural mission system in general. The Lore is one of the shinier things here. But I think that EVE 2.0 would be dead on arrival as everyone with closing of EVE will completely lack interest for further playing, so much is attached to this world. If they would keep EVE, everyone would stay here. But they are developing other games in EVE universe. The issue is that whenever they try and make EVE more engaging the neckbeards come out of the woodwork and make dumb threads about how having to actually be active in the game to accomplish things is counter to the "spirit of EVE Online" and is just CCP trying to dumb it down for casuals. Personally, I would be a mission runner if all the NPCs were dangerous and there was some variety in the kinds I could fight. Confirming this is the *only* issue with EVE.
No other problems exist.
Ever.
Everyone move along... |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.07.22 14:02:51 -
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Actually some poor explorer or I dont know who, could not finish the Sansha War Supply today, because the overseer in last room was too hard for him. For me it would be an incentive to move out and gather more info and come again with better fit, maybe even ship. Things like that would not ever remove anything from gameplay for me.
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1091
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Posted - 2016.07.22 14:36:38 -
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Game need major update / reboot for numbers to start kicking in again at a healthy levels for everybody.
Engine update to support post year 2000 cpu's........... this will never happen.
Massive update to ALL things pve not just one part entire new engine that is not so 2003 World of Warcraft but in space.......this will never happen and is overdue almost for like decades now.
Procedural generated space /new space........ current mice in a maze gated space is just to archaic and forced mechanic it works tho...but.
I remember devs saying this is both pve and pvp game until they stop saying this in favor of pvp(with pve as necessary evil) agenda and that is fine and dandy as long as you don't need pve players....i beg to differ. Attitudes need to be changed.
This game was pumping lore out on almost weekly basis ppl were creating stories opening up web pages...eve fiction now is a sad forum sub post....things that happens when game turn it back to users for others there is no smart reason for this.
Or not and i am just looking things thru my very own summer / retro version by brand "past times" rose glasses and everything is fine.....
which than begs the question ....
Where are the people?
Soon il start chasing my alt thru new eden pretending i don't know him where are the hordes of players that find game amazing coz i remember this game where systems were not deserted.
Why is CCP withholding opening high sec up for grabs? it is only thing stopping all of yal having brilliant time and devs chocking in limos lambos and hookers.just do it.
No? not that? what ships are not balanced enough?is it current null magic wand thingy? reverse it back to dominion then until beatching starts AGAIN then roll it back to entosis right?small doses everything goes.
Whats with Lo sec bombs you want bombs will that fixit hm?doomsdays?stations are problem?what?hi sec?ccp what are you waiting for?
No?
Or put your shiet together and see where are you now and were were you see big picture and who play your game...act accordingly.
Toss in plex,butthurt,world economy and other crap like calling your users idiots that needed to be deprived their money(here a monocle that cost like all pirate battleships all with fittings.....no no you are not an idiot you are classy) and voila.
imo
meh just meh these threads.
Typhoon Fleet Issue SOE skin for the win.
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
292
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Posted - 2016.07.22 15:07:20 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Quote:For over decade the missions have been the same. One would think they would come up with more variation to spawn and loot in rooms or procedural mission system in general. The Lore is one of the shinier things here. But I think that EVE 2.0 would be dead on arrival as everyone with closing of EVE will completely lack interest for further playing, so much is attached to this world. If they would keep EVE, everyone would stay here. But they are developing other games in EVE universe. The issue is that whenever they try and make EVE more engaging the neckbeards come out of the woodwork and make dumb threads about how having to actually be active in the game to accomplish things is counter to the "spirit of EVE Online" and is just CCP trying to dumb it down for casuals. Personally, I would be a mission runner if all the NPCs were dangerous and there was some variety in the kinds I could fight. Confirming this is the *only* issue with EVE. No other problems exist. Ever. Everyone move along... Man, I sure do love people construing my statements in ways I didn't intend.
To clarify, my response was specifically a response to the statement about the current state of missions. Trying to make it seem like I was saying that's the only problem in the game is honestly just silly. I really hope you're better than that.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.07.22 15:22:41 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:Man, I sure do love people construing my statements in ways I didn't intend.
To clarify, my response was specifically a response to the statement about the current state of missions. Trying to make it seem like I was saying that's the only problem in the game is honestly just silly. I really hope you're better than that. Perhaps I'm over-reacting to the fact that every 3-4 posts in this thread (and that is a lot of posts, even just in this 1 thread) the post begins with something along the lines of:
"The Problem with EVE is..." "The Primary Problem is..." "The Main Problem is..." etc...
And acting like if just that 1 problem was solved things would magically be better.
If that was not your intention then I apologize - but as previously stated there are many thousands of major problems with EVE atm, so pointing to any 1 of them as "the problem" for anything is ridiculous. |
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2016.07.22 15:27:01 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:Man, I sure do love people construing my statements in ways I didn't intend.
To clarify, my response was specifically a response to the statement about the current state of missions. Trying to make it seem like I was saying that's the only problem in the game is honestly just silly. I really hope you're better than that. Perhaps I'm over-reacting to the fact that every 3-4 posts in this thread (and that is a lot of posts, even just in this 1 thread) the post begins with something along the lines of: "The Problem with EVE is..." "The Primary Problem is..." "The Main Problem is..." etc... And acting like if just that 1 problem was solved things would magically be better. If that was not your intention then I apologize - but as previously stated there are many thousands of major problems with EVE atm, so pointing to any 1 of them as "the problem" for anything is ridiculous. I agree. The "one step solution" threads irritate me as well.
That's part of why while many people love to cry about the current direction of the game, I find it refreshing because it shows they're willing to make the choices that people don't like at first but eventually come to understand and enjoy.
I mean, look how many people cried about Aegis Sov until it allowed Imperium's massive empire to be taken apart in barely two months. Now that people have seen large scale warfare can be fun again instead of terminally boring, many of the complainers are now enjoying the new system.
I'm hoping that more of the changes they make will have a similar impact and reaction. Sometimes even when people are very resistant to change, forcing them to adapt to it actually improves their experience in the long run.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.07.22 15:47:15 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:Sometimes even when people are very resistant to change, forcing them to adapt to it actually improves their experience in the long run. On the other hand there is a thing about CCP that make them nearly scream "my way or highway" with features like ship skins. When bug with ship skins on every hull was called a feature, it was acknowledged by them and never really spoken again about. Meanwhile I had discussions in game about how CCP has failed to deliver something the way they wanted. And the buggy way being the way it should have been from player perspective.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
452
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Posted - 2016.07.22 16:30:51 -
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Bumblefck wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: accept certain inalienable truths Prices will rise, politicians will philander, you too will get old And when you do, you'll fantasize that when you were young Prices were reasonable, politicians were noble And children respected their elders
Baz Luhrmann
Anyone who quotes 'Sunscreen' needs to be (space) keel-hauled
hahahahahahaha same could be said about these threads.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
29
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Posted - 2016.07.22 16:50:40 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:
Everyone must be wardeckable and must be open for griefeing in high sec, right? What about NPC corps? What about people who would want to have their own corp but dont want to be wardeced like NPC corps? Game is giving them middle finger now. But people are in NPC corps and can always go to low sec if they want and attack people there, not in high sec. So what is your point? High sec is a safe heaven (as safe as it gets) for a lot of people. Why do you think majority of people stay in High sec all the time? Are they delusional? Nope, they just like to chill most of the time, or the environment is fitting. If they could, they would really make it more safe, and go to war only when they want, with those who want, such High sec would be a bit better than its now.
CCP will have to notice that eventually.
This is a very debatable point. For me and a lot of other players who've been in game for long time, the fundamental philosophy of EVE is that PVP/risk should never be an 'option' - where you can say 'I don't want it' and avoid it.
'Choosing' to pvp only when you want to do it makes the whole game world change. It breaks the foundation of what EVE is and has always been - that we are living in a cold/harsh universe.
With watchlist changes came the mass of blanket war dec everywhere, but you know what? For those who are decced but don't want to fight, it's actually 'easier' to avoid the war deccers. They don't even know you are online - you can do what you want in quiet system and avoid certain routes and hubs, and you can even do mining ops and missions or whatever.
But you can't do this AFK or ever be in a 'safe haven'. You will have to watch local, be suspicious of NPC corp pilots around you as they may be scout alts of war deccers, that NPC Corp Machariel off station where you mission could be a bumping Machariel instead of a mission runner, you have to have D-Scan on and watch out for what's coming. You will have to monitor the people who's in local (FFS having local makes life already pretty easy & safe to avoid war targets, compared to WH life).
There are so many tools availble in game to help you do what you want while avoiding unwanted PVP (either through war dec or suicide ganks or whatever) in HS. I said this in some other thread before - people do LOTS of PVE in null and WH (mind you, in WH you don't even get local), yet people in HS complain they can't do what they want because of war dec - where war deccers are highly visible on local and generally hang out in well known hubs and routes and now can't even tell whether you are online or not?
I'm not saying everyone should embrace PVP - you can play the whole game without ever shooting at another player and still have great time. But for me, EVE has always been a cold harsh world and that DEFINES the game as it is. It forces you to be paranoid and be aware of your surroundings, and use all tools available to survive and persist.
You take that philosophy away from the game by making PVP 'optional' or make a completely 'safe haven' where people can be safe without needing to think/be aware of what's happening around them - that is not EVE anymore.
I'm not saying that will be a terrible game or whatever - there may be market for it and some players may like that., but that just isn't EVE.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.07.22 17:12:09 -
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Toobo wrote:PVP/risk should never be an 'option' - where you can say 'I don't want it' and avoid it.
But it was always like that, you could avoid wardecs by being in NPC corp. Whats to debate then. Extending it to player corporations, making it an option would change nothing really, only some players would declare their corporations as carebearish as its possible in high. And in Null and Low these restrictions would not matter at all like today.
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2016.07.22 17:16:45 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:Sometimes even when people are very resistant to change, forcing them to adapt to it actually improves their experience in the long run. On the other hand there is a thing about CCP that make them nearly scream "my way or highway" with features like ship skins. When bug with ship skins on every hull was called a feature, it was acknowledged by them and never really spoken again about. Meanwhile I had discussions in game about how CCP has failed to deliver something the way they wanted. And the buggy way being the way it should have been from player perspective. I'm hoping the end of DX9 support will finally let them give us something like the custom skinning interface they showed during the Art Panel back in 2014.
If you think about it, they could use a Layer system that allows players to make complex designs but at the cost of increasing how much AURUM it will take to produce the license at the end of the process. That way you could do a simple two-tone paint job for fairly cheap, or you could make your ship look completely unique if you have more cash to throw at it.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.07.22 17:21:54 -
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Just to add a bit of annecdote - I have an out of corp mission baiting toon that has quite nice Marauder kills. But more memorable moment than those shiny kills was when I baited a missioning Golem, and he had heavy neuts on spare highs and a scram fitted and I got totally pwned by the HS mission runner. Marauders are so efficient and uber for HS missions that you can easily fit neuts and scram on them without sacrificing DPS or Tank.
It's just one example. There are so many more you can do to avoid unwanted pvp/gank - either by fitting to fight back or by being aware of what's happening in your system so you can bail before threats arrive. There is really no need to make high sec 'safer' bu any mechanics change. You just need to use the same tools and know how the hunters use.
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Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.07.22 17:28:03 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Toobo wrote:PVP/risk should never be an 'option' - where you can say 'I don't want it' and avoid it. But it was always like that, you could avoid wardecs by being in NPC corp. Whats to debate then. Extending it to player corporations, making it an option would change nothing really, only some players would declare their corporations as carebearish as its possible in high. And in Null and Low these restrictions would not matter at all like today.
That is a possibility, but then same restrictions as NPC corps should apply. No corp bookmark, no corp hangar/wallet division, no private offices, same TAX as thr NPC corps, can't anchor POS or Citadel, etc. If all conditions are same, and there is absolutely no benefit over being in undeccable NPC corp, I can accept such undeccable player corps. If there is going to be ANY benefit whatsoever to be in such a player corp that a NPC corp doesn't have, then it should come with risk/drawbacks.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.07.22 17:28:33 -
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Toobo wrote:Just to add a bit of annecdote - I have an out of corp mission baiting toon that has quite nice Marauder kills. But more memorable moment than those shiny kills was when I baited a missioning Golem, and he had heavy neuts on spare highs and a scram fitted and I got totally pwned by the HS mission runner. Marauders are so efficient and uber for HS missions that you can easily fit neuts and scram on them without sacrificing DPS or Tank.
It's just one example. There are so many more you can do to avoid unwanted pvp/gank - either by fitting to fight back or by being aware of what's happening in your system so you can bail before threats arrive. There is really no need to make high sec 'safer' bu any mechanics change. You just need to use the same tools and know how the hunters use.
Tell that to every player who dont want to PvP being in mining corporation, flying one month old toon, in a retriever or something. Always he could be ganked by CODE, but that would change with a ban of activating weapons on ships without war target flag in high sec.
They would PvP against asteroids all their soul desires. Then when bored, they could try something else, in their pace. Trying to force feed someone who dont want it, will make him puke it out on you and leaving.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.07.22 17:53:30 -
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Nana, I see what you mean and it does make sense in terms of retaining/growing player base. It is a sensible suggestion to make it easier for new players to learn and adapt at their own pace and commitment.
But I'm not sure about how it would benefit the game in fundamental ways.
What would having 10,000 more players logged on in HS that you cannot shoot do to the game? More uninterupted supply of minerals? More uninterupted ISK faucet with uber bling fit mission ships? Or would the market increase balance such things out?
If we cannot shoot them, or disturb their operation in such 'safe haven', how does that place and community integrate with EVE universe and the existing player base?
I can see it working to increse the player base overall, but just not sure how that would help the game if they are so secluded from the core element of risk & danger in this game.
If such path were to be considered, one wild idea I can imagine is introducing non-pod pilot citezens/characters into the game - e.g. 'Civilians' that are actually protected by Concord and have different career path and game play than being combat pilots.
I would love that new dimension actually, but as things stand, unless such significant changes are made, people who fly space ships in EVE should be able to get shot :p
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2697
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Posted - 2016.07.22 17:54:09 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Toobo wrote:Just to add a bit of annecdote - I have an out of corp mission baiting toon that has quite nice Marauder kills. But more memorable moment than those shiny kills was when I baited a missioning Golem, and he had heavy neuts on spare highs and a scram fitted and I got totally pwned by the HS mission runner. Marauders are so efficient and uber for HS missions that you can easily fit neuts and scram on them without sacrificing DPS or Tank.
It's just one example. There are so many more you can do to avoid unwanted pvp/gank - either by fitting to fight back or by being aware of what's happening in your system so you can bail before threats arrive. There is really no need to make high sec 'safer' bu any mechanics change. You just need to use the same tools and know how the hunters use. Tell that to every player who dont want to PvP being in mining corporation, flying one month old toon, in a retriever or something. Always he could be ganked by CODE, but that would change with a ban of activating weapons on ships without war target flag in high sec. They would PvP against asteroids all their soul desires. Then when bored, they could try something else, in their pace. Trying to force feed someone who dont want it, will make him puke it out on you and leaving. You can totally and easily avoid being killed in EvE doing almost any activity (except combat PvP of course ... lol), with a minimum of awareness and knowledge. All who whine about being ganked over and over again are just too lazy or stupid to play this game ... sorry, but this is the truth.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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