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Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.10 23:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Sedai Hara Well teh most logical thing is just to turn Em/thermal around. so Lasers do primary Thermal and 2ndary EM. As Em=electromagnetic pulse its not how a laser work in our world(well nothing in eve is like in our world but atleats some logic!) Thermal = heat as every1 should know. heat is pure energy, lightis also pure energi.' Even more logical Lasers=concentrated high-intesety LIGHT, there by, heat(thermal) And we do need a weapon that deals SOME em, but to just flip it around fix it as what i see. you still do EM, good versus shields, and thermal so you can accualy dmg armor. I dont see so many flawns in this. But first just fix the cap usage, will make all amarians happy. /signed. But don't some crystals do that? _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
xHalcyonx Amarr Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.10 23:02:00 - [92] >_> Looks at sig... ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Jakaman	Posted - 2008.03.11 08:55:00 - [93] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Friend: put it this way, you can't cause a macroscopic object to move by hitting it with a laser beam Ive studied physics at college level too and I can say that this is wrong. The effect might be small but beams have an impact effect on macroscopic objects, ie you can actually move stuff with a laser beam but you need a friggin powerful one and a very light object to see the effect. To say that light doesnt have kinetic impact like a bullet is false. It does have it, but the effect is so small compared to the heating effect/damage that in reality you can disregard it. Still in a game where the physics are physics-lite combined with sci-fi logic there is no theoretical reason to deny lasers doing kinetic damage. It makes more sense for laser's to have thermal/kinetic damage rather than em/thermal. WTF is electromagnetic damage? EMP is used to destroy circuits by creating damaging current in them. If that current is applied to metal(armor) -> more thermal damage.
Sionide Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:24:00 - [94] To the OP: Just forget about it. Amarr is em and therm dmg. If you get another damage type (besides drones) then get ammo like all the rest of us and have reload times. See how you like to be able to fire about 20 rounds then having reload.
Jokus Balim Minmatar Rising Sun Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:41:00 - [95] Edited by: Jokus Balim on 11/03/2008 19:43:29 Edited by: Jokus Balim on 11/03/2008 19:42:04 Edited by: Jokus Balim on 11/03/2008 19:41:42 EM damage for lasers is quite fine, when you choose visible light and higher frequencies. Infrared and lower frequencies fits better to thermal damage, since it corresponds with the vibrational and rotational spectra of matter. Photons of several eV (1 eV is near infrared at 1240nm wavelength, 10 eV is ultraviolett at 124nm, 100 eV is soft xray at 12.4nm) and higher energy have enough energy to kick out valence electrons from atomic hulls (that's the electrons with the weakest binding to the atom, they are important for the chemical bondings with neighbor atoms). Take higher energy electrons (like xrays) and you kick out electrons deep in the atomic hull. If you have enough high-energy photons (like in a gigantic sci-fi pewpew gun), you can put a nice hole into matter by breaking the bonds. Dissociation for the win! That happens a lot on small scale: photochemistry. Actually we all have some problems, when it doesn't happen (vitamin D production in human skin, photosynthesis etc.) Afterwards the excited atoms and free electrons will recombine in most cases. The energy that is set free, adds to the rotational and vibrational energy of the atoms: heat. But that comes after the devastating effects of dissociation. And it has (nearly) nothing to do with the transversal motion of that matter, which is described by its kinetic energy.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:01:00 - [96] Originally by: Jakaman Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Friend: put it this way, you can't cause a macroscopic object to move by hitting it with a laser beam Ive studied physics at college level too and I can say that this is wrong. The effect might be small but beams have an impact effect on macroscopic objects, ie you can actually move stuff with a laser beam but you need a friggin powerful one and a very light object to see the effect. To say that light doesnt have kinetic impact like a bullet is false. It does have it, but the effect is so small compared to the heating effect/damage that in reality you can disregard it. Still in a game where the physics are physics-lite combined with sci-fi logic there is no theoretical reason to deny lasers doing kinetic damage. It makes more sense for laser's to have thermal/kinetic damage rather than em/thermal. WTF is electromagnetic damage? EMP is used to destroy circuits by creating damaging current in them. If that current is applied to metal(armor) -> more thermal damage. Yes I agree. There is less sense in lasers doing em/th then doing th/kin damage. Electro magnetic damage: When a magnetic field moves it creates electrical currents in metals. This ofcourse heats it or overloads circuits if you apply strong magnetic fields. At the same time do electric currents create magnetic fields around them. So these two always go hand in hand. EM damage would be used by a weapon that projects strong magnetic fields for example but in the end EM damage does damage through thermal damage. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2008.03.12 00:15:00 - [97] Quote: I've heard about this before, and laughed. How can a beam of light do any damage type that has a physical element to it? That's just nonsense. >_< You fail physics. The End.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.12 00:19:00 - [98] Originally by: Grendelsbane Quote: I've heard about this before, and laughed. How can a beam of light do any damage type that has a physical element to it? That's just nonsense. >_< You fail physics. The End. haha yeah he does fail -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Vinez	Posted - 2008.03.12 00:39:00 - [99] Just create a crystal that does higher thermal and less EM..easy fix ~
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:14:00 - [100] Stop whining ffs, amarr gets enough cookies this upcoming patch *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative

Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:38:00 - [101] Originally by: arbalesttom Stop whining ffs, amarr gets enough cookies this upcoming patch And I like cookies -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Riaz Qaadir	Posted - 2008.03.12 02:02:00 - [102] Edited by: Riaz Qaadir on 12/03/2008 02:04:05 The only changes I think that should be done to crystals is the balance of EM/Therm made less weighted on the longer range t1 crystals and t2 crystals. Still in favour of EM but more balanced like Barrage and Tremor are for projectiles and like Null and Spike are for Hybrids rather than heavy EM weighting as currently.
SirDanceAlot Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 12:47:00 - [103] Originally by: Riaz Qaadir Edited by: Riaz Qaadir on 12/03/2008 02:04:05 The only changes I think that should be done to crystals is the balance of EM/Therm made less weighted on the longer range t1 crystals and t2 crystals. Signed.
Vanessa Vale Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.17 14:23:00 - [104] Edited by: Vanessa Vale on 17/03/2008 14:25:00 Originally by: Sionide To the OP: Just forget about it. Amarr is em and therm dmg. If you get another damage type (besides drones) then get ammo like all the rest of us and have reload times. See how you like to be able to fire about 20 rounds then having reload. Do you realize the OP posted this 1 year ago? Bloody amarr necros... Here, this is what cause the original necro: Quote: Can I have explosive crystals now?
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.03.17 14:35:00 - [105] Necro FTL. Do you have -any- idea how disconcerting it was seeing my name on the front after not paying attention to the forums for about 6 months? Even more worrying is that I though I posted this in October, not a year ago. I feel old :( Anyway - a year later I am now a fully specced T2 Large Beam Laser user on a Paladin. Dear lord these things pwn (against Sansha). Still need to try them out against anything else, but I'm hopeful. Although I'm now seeing the bigger problem, and I still stand by what I said of 'boost the ships, not the gunz', as if you boost the guns then everyone gets that boost, not just Amarr specced pilots. If you boost the ships, it's bringing up the disparity. Also: new Apoc sniper woo! ahem ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.17 14:46:00 - [106] Edited by: arbalesttom on 17/03/2008 14:45:58 Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Necro FTL. Do you have -any- idea how disconcerting it was seeing my name on the front after not paying attention to the forums for about 6 months? Even more worrying is that I though I posted this in October, not a year ago. I feel old :( Anyway - a year later I am now a fully specced T2 Large Beam Laser user on a Paladin. Dear lord these things pwn (against Sansha). Still need to try them out against anything else, but I'm hopeful. Although I'm now seeing the bigger problem, and I still stand by what I said of 'boost the ships, not the gunz', as if you boost the guns then everyone gets that boost, not just Amarr specced pilots. If you boost the ships, it's bringing up the disparity. Also: new Apoc sniper woo! ahem ahem did i hear you say overpowered? *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.17 14:51:00 - [107] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: arbalesttom Stop whining ffs, amarr gets enough cookies this upcoming patch And I like cookies /me gives Lyria some cookies Now be a good boy/girl for the coming year! *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.03.17 14:54:00 - [108] Originally by: arbalesttom ahem did i hear you say overpowered? Overpowered? What part? The months of training? ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.17 14:56:00 - [109] Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Originally by: arbalesttom ahem did i hear you say overpowered? Overpowered? What part? The months of training? /me hands out the sarcasmdetector to J'Mkarr *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.03.17 15:28:00 - [110] Originally by: arbalesttom /me hands out the sarcasmdetector to J'Mkarr Just had to check. Your lack of hair disturbed me ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."

arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.17 15:33:00 - [111] Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Originally by: arbalesttom /me hands out the sarcasmdetector to J'Mkarr Just had to check. Your lack of hair disturbed me Heh, at least i can say im born with it *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.03.17 15:57:00 - [112] Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Originally by: arbalesttom /me hands out the sarcasmdetector to J'Mkarr Just had to check. Your lack of hair disturbed me Heh, at least i can say im born with it Sad thing is, I'm as bald IRL too. At 19. ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
Angelic Eviaran University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.19 17:37:00 - [113] Originally by: Humpalot Sound in space? Besides, pretty sure sonic damage would equate to thermal damage and not kinetic. Im pretty sure youre wrong. It should be kintetic because its basically a shockwave.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.03.19 18:45:00 - [114] Oh for gods sakes, double bloody necro Anyway, Eve damage types are all *******s ok? So stop trying to mesh such ideas with real physics... ...ultimately it would boil down to transfer of heat, transfer of momentum, or a combination of both. There you go, thereÆs your two bloody damage types... -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Angelic Eviaran University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.19 20:12:00 - [115] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Oh for gods sakes, double bloody necro Anyway, Eve damage types are all *******s ok? So stop trying to mesh such ideas with real physics... ...ultimately it would boil down to transfer of heat, transfer of momentum, or a combination of both. There you go, thereÆs your two bloody damage types... So are we getting these damage types or not?
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.19 23:33:00 - [116] Originally by: Angelic Eviaran So are we getting these damage types or not? I think not.

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