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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
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Posted - 2016.07.19 11:58:16 -
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For years I have been a member of EVE player base, through many accounts I played. I must say it is the time for me to say what is on my mind and I want everyone to speak theirs.
The eve is dying? Maybe for someone it will sound ******** or stupid, or out of reality you are submerged into, I do not mind of you opinions be they flawless or full of fallacies. However, there are signs for that to happen. Let us start from the time when EVE online was high. That was a phase few years ago when smartpones were not in their high ground yet and consoles were just a winky experience. CCP decided to get into consoles, thinking that expanding is something needed, well it is, but not the way they though it to be. Dust is closed now as hundreeds of players predicted already years ago after last decent expansion came out. The involvement of chinese developers and the approach to work they posses, from my experience is not a good idea, and it ended up not being such for CCP either. When chinese real estate bubble will collapse, CCP will lose Serenity and no groundbreaking will fix it because external fators are wa beyond that. I am just waiting for it to happen already.
Now back to EVE, the EVE had it ups and downs, but it had steady growth, however just a few years ago, the new leap in gaming happened and the smartphones with consoles took their grounds. CCP saw this as a menace and Valkyrie happened. They went beyond by applying VR to it. They hope it will pay back in future. The thing is, Valkyrie will most likely end up on computers like DUST. The micro technology is slowing down, and packing everything into expensive console with ever demanding games is a waste of money. Either consoles become computers or they end up being a niche product just like smartphones or tablets which will catch with the console high speed processors and ocuppy their share. Anybody who says it is not true, just wants you to keep buying new version of iphone which is almost similar to previous yet you gotta pay more. Because BRAAAAANNDD!!! Anyway, you see the story. The CCP exit from stock market was a desperate way to hide the losses and lack of profitability which would make investors run in fear and create problems for CCP. Making them fall for cashing ideology of Hollywood. CCP tops wanted a small community fo dedicated members that will b loyal, sadly that is going well down because players are getting old and new players are different. This phase where you have to keep old players and attract new ones, sometimes with an attention span of a goldfish, is a tough goal and it is clearly visible in CCP's attempts to perform it.
We of course should not forget pressing issue of in game payments which disallows CCP to gain properly, more so loosing liquidity. If you think CCP is a stable company, you must be new to the world. I suggest you look at Nokia and what happened to them. It is and will be the best example of managerial failure, a small one that promted the end of the giant. You do not need much. All you need is to apply certain amount of force to certain area and the trick will work. Just ask Steven Seagal. Guys at Nokia did it to themselves. CCP keeps trying to do the same. The management became old, lazy and somewhat fat, just check the last FanFest.
The fresh ideas are lacking, the huge wave of brain activity from player base that you can see on forums is nothing but a scream - we need a next huge leap.
Stuff like Citdael is not a leap, it feels more like an upgrade of POS to high sec trade station that you can own if you are scared of null sec sovereignty but yu want to try how if feels. That is not the leap, that is the approach to the player base behavioural patterns of a crybaby. For last years CCP was puting pop corns into a jar, and if it goes bad they put chips instead of pop corn. You need a new bigger jar and later fill it with what you want. From shells to fries. I have a feeling, one of many, that CCP is trying to make that dream team of player base that are loyal which is not happening for reasons I described above and they are becoming ever more desperate by trying to diversify the fututre risks by going into VR. Dust failed miserably, so it will be back to PCs. Please never again hire chinese developers for games unless they worked in big western companies or studied in the West. Do not hire managers that are so lazy about whole thing they dont really care what happens to CCP as long as thy recieve pay check. I can go on here for a ong time but I want to hear from others what they have to say about CCP future and the deth of player base.
Also the recent pay-to-win player that maxed his skills gave another frame to my words and that I am on right track. CCP needs a huge reform and fast. I don't feel like I am enjoying what I play when I can just cash in and get my max, get bored and leave.
There was certain sense of equality, where no matter how rich you are you will take time skilling like everyone else. It is lost now.
If CCP wants to end up with EVE, it is on the right course. I would also suggest creating am emergent group of concerned players only. because the way future looks is a vast space with Serenity size playerbase that will slowly dwindle out and leave the game out of lack of interaction with the numerous players that could populate the galaxy.
Of course there are many other reasons I didn't mention but I wanted to keep it simple and civilized as much as possible, so things like DEV-helping-players tier will not be covered.
Please share fellow capsuleers. I feel like this is my last return to eve after another pause. I feel like the game lost something, something important. I cannot yet realize what it is but there is this feeling and is definetely something that bothers me.
Fly safe o7
There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
2028
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:01:57 -
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'EvE is dying' thread number 87.523. Right....
imho, the answer is no.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
6
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:16:47 -
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Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:'EvE is dying' thread number 87.523. Right....
imho, the answer is no.
Yes, and the amount of such threads should say something to you.
There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55736
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:19:14 -
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OP was a bit long winded but yeah, to me the old Eve has died and the new Eve is just beginning.
Do I like it ? No. Will I keep my subscription ? Yes.
Hopefully CCP will eventually come to their senses and actually start fixing stuff instead of constantly messing with / re-doing stuff that already works which then usually ends up getting bent, broken and twisted (Buggy) due to being rushed into the game without proper testing.
Until then I'll just keep training up skills and when I do log into the game, I'll just fly around the cluster doing what I normally do.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
235
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:22:28 -
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Ironically....I already wrote out my thoughts regarding this issue, and posted them. If you would like to read them, links are easier than re-copying the whole thing, so Here You Go |
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
6
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:23:49 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:OP was a bit long winded but yeah, to me the old Eve has died and the new Eve is just beginning.
Do I like it ? No. Will I keep my subscription ? Yes.
Hopefully CCP will eventually come to their senses and actually start fixing stuff instead of constantly messing with / re-doing stuff that already works which then usually ends up getting bent, broken and twisted (Buggy) due to being rushed into the game without proper testing.
Until then I'll just keep training up skills and when I do log into the game, I'll just fly around the cluster doing what I normally do.
DMC
Last few years showed that they will keep this trendy thing, because... surprise they have no fresh ideas. They are so comfortable int heir past success that they are afraid to make leaps. Just for them thinking onto moving eve to a better engine would be a massive denial phase. Not saying this engine is terrible. hen I get into my next pause, I will be back when CCP makes groudbreaking next step and I will find about it from news outlets.
There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...
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John Volan
Volan Enterprises
25
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:25:07 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:'EvE is dying' thread number 87.523. Right....
imho, the answer is no. Yes, and the amount of such threads should say something to you. It certainly does to me: despite the misgivings of the vocal minority, Eve is still here 13 years later. |
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
6
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:28:35 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Ironically....I already wrote out my thoughts regarding this issue, and posted them. If you would like to read them, links are easier than re-copying the whole thing, so Here You Go
I am glad I am not the only one in this thinking. The things you described is things that are so many times been used people don't bother thinking about them and that is why HTFU will prevail the quality making of the game, which as you said is not what it was thought. Greed article was like one of the points where I started to think more about it. Not considering dev scandal of course.
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roberts dragon
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:29:39 -
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I think game will still keep going but has a niche player base reason game has not grown the problem as I see the game it was made for pvp but a huge amount of content is actually pve based , so mixed signals there .
they should when you first play put you in a place and be going against other players from the start in rookie ships that way you be used to pvp from day 1 , and not used to pve from the outset thats where they could do major changes.
the price of sub is ok but the price of plex is a joke you can buy 2 on ebay for the same price so many players selling plex isk on ebay 1 player has made more than a years wages on there, so perhaps ccp should lower the cost of plex so its cheap . |
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
6
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:32:20 -
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John Volan wrote:William Legrand-Marx wrote:Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:'EvE is dying' thread number 87.523. Right....
imho, the answer is no. Yes, and the amount of such threads should say something to you. It certainly does to me: despite the misgivings of the vocal minority, Eve is still here 13 years later.
Because these "bad news guys" are the one who make CCP do their job so that you can see it running.
There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7636
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:32:20 -
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EVE Online, dying since 2004.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
6
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:40:09 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:EVE Online, dying since 2004. Funny you. More like since 2010. It will be a game full of cry babies. Just wait and see. I don't want to be Nigel Farage but I am afraid I will once say: "I told you so!"
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2648
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:41:17 -
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There are tons of new or returning players everywhere. Just kill any random miner in highsec and you will see. So there is no problem really.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
6
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:44:43 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:There are tons of new or returning players everywhere. Just kill any random miner in highsec and you will see. So there is no problem really.
I suggest you to come out of h shell. One day attacking miners will be prohibited. I can bet on it. This slowly goes into Orwelian future.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
616
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:49:50 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:EVE Online, dying since 2004. Funny you. More like since 2010. It will be a game full of cry babies. Just wait and see. I don't want to be Nigel Farage but I am afraid I will once say: "I told you so!" Actually, the first reference to Eve is dying was in 2003 (Chribba did an analysis of the use of the term a while back).
As to the game being full of cry babies after all the cry babies leave, seems kind of the opposite is the logical outcome of that process. |
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
6
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:52:51 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:William Legrand-Marx wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:EVE Online, dying since 2004. Funny you. More like since 2010. It will be a game full of cry babies. Just wait and see. I don't want to be Nigel Farage but I am afraid I will once say: "I told you so!" Actually, the first reference to Eve is dying was in 2003 (Chribba did an analysis of the use of the term a while back). As to the game being full of cry babies after all the cry babies leave, seems kind of the opposite is the logical outcome of that process.
We are not talking about short term criseses every project suffers. We are talking about corporate continuity that is suffering from the top of the company till its very bottom. I do not assume that it is the end. I adk a question whether it is the end and whther it comes. Dont twist it.
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7638
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:53:48 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:There are tons of new or returning players everywhere. Just kill any random miner in highsec and you will see. So there is no problem really. I suggest you to come out of h shell. One day attacking miners will be prohibited. I can bet on it. This slowly goes into Orwelian future. So there is no problem really.
So dramatic.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
6
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:55:45 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:William Legrand-Marx wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:There are tons of new or returning players everywhere. Just kill any random miner in highsec and you will see. So there is no problem really. I suggest you to come out of h shell. One day attacking miners will be prohibited. I can bet on it. This slowly goes into Orwelian future. So there is no problem really. So dramatic.
TNT
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16905
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Posted - 2016.07.19 12:59:07 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:'EvE is dying' thread number 87.523. Right....
imho, the answer is no. Yes, and the amount of such threads should say something to you. hmmmm not as much as you might think, you see we have done this dance and being the fastidious feckers that we are , we have the data , not my work, source
Better the Devil you know.
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7640
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:11:18 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:William Legrand-Marx wrote:Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:'EvE is dying' thread number 87.523. Right....
imho, the answer is no. Yes, and the amount of such threads should say something to you. hmmmm not as much as you might think, you see we have done this dance and being the fastidious feckers that we are , we have the data , not my work, source
Actually, it says quite a lot.
It says that every time someone predicts the death of EVE, not unlike those religious nutjobs who try to predict the apocolypse, they have been consistently wrong.
Every
Time
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2648
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:12:25 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:There are tons of new or returning players everywhere. Just kill any random miner in highsec and you will see. So there is no problem really. I suggest you to come out of h shell. One day attacking miners will be prohibited. I can bet on it. This slowly goes into Orwelian future. So there is no problem really. Maybe, but until they do so I will happily dunk every miner I am able to dunk. So far every nerf only made them more confident and they grew even fatter.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8359
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:15:00 -
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Doc once got a good look at Eve's end....
Sadly, her restraining order is still in place...
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
285
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:36:15 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:'EvE is dying' thread number 87.523. Right....
imho, the answer is no. Yes, and the amount of such threads should say something to you. The amount has nothing to do with it. There have been multiple "EVE is Dying" threads on the front page since I started playing in 2008. I can't vouch for before then, but I'm willing to bet it was that way all the way back to the start.
Lest we forget, in the front of The Second Decade Edition book, there's a quote from the Beta that reads: "This game will be dead in six months. Mark my words."
Rattati Senpai noticed us! See you in the next FPS!
Alts: Saray Wyvern, Mobius Wyvern (Dust 514)
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2351
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:37:08 -
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It's just a game m8.
All the time I've given it, I've enjoyed.
I've enjoyed the aesthetics, the players, the bugs and the downtimes. If it all goes down the shitter tomorrow I'll have no regrets.
Nothing lasts forever.
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
409
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:39:05 -
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If you have a requirement that a game must have a significant "update" that is a sea change from the previous build (a requirement wholly invented by the so-called playerbase, btw) and someone is foolish enough to accept that as law and then tries to fulfill this pie-in-the-sky (totally off the scale unrealistic) demand, then of course the game you end up with, after a few such "updates" will not resemble what you began with. After all, you CHANGED IT. GEEZ.
The more I read these "you ruined the game" or "what would make this game perfect" posts, the more I'm convinced what is needed is a psychiatric screening...(wouldn't hurt to have that for a few....okay, no politics today.) From what I gather, the entire game is supposed to be reworked and upgraded in some way. No thought whatever is given to the obvious expense of maintaining an operation that can actually do something like this.
The main factor, if you folks have been playing all THAT long, that gets left out is - how high have all prices risen everywhere in this intervening time? How can CCP be on this imaginary island where production costs haven't practically doubled since the first build of the game? How high has your sub for EVE risen? To live in your world, you'd be paying at least $45 a month (PER ACCOUNT and NO PLEXING) to even claim to have the standing to make such demands. But, guess what. You AREN'T paying that. (If you are actually paying with money LIKE ME) you're still paying the same amount as when you began.
You take all the "ideas" you "gaming experts" spew out over the course of a year, and quantify them in terms of development costs, each "update" you imagine is the equivalent of building an entirely new game, the cost of which has risen right along with the cost of your ham sandwiches and lattes. By now, to meet this expectation, CCP would have spent $75 million USD EASILY. I see NO nod, tip of the hat, gesture toward THIS. All I see is demand piled upon demand piled upon demand.
We get fifteen paragraphs of "why I'm the expert here" then two paragraphs of "I don't care what it costs (obviously since I didn't MENTION IT), just give me this....I deserve it." It's not surprising, the great project that was supposed to save us from all the MMOs developers imposed agony "Star Citizen" is bogged down so much in crowd funding, they haven't gotten around to developing a game. (There are also rumors law enforcement is investigating the shakers and movers of that project for misuse-age of funds. Your cavalry i$n't coming!)
Hell yeah, EVE has changed. You begged for it. You clamored. You expected. You created this artificial "need" for "games" to update every three months just to keep you happy paying the same amount as though all this effort is OWED to you. Now you have what you asked for, you don't like it. Unbelievable. You sound like the Entitlement Generation. Wait....
I have congratulated several people on their volunteering the money to launch some of these fabulous "updates" they gin up in their infallible imaginations while they shower, then eat their ramen dinners. How generous to volunteer to pay! Guess what! Right. NO money was forthcoming...just another "great idea".
If it wasn't for you people insisting a game has to have a major update every three months, you'd still have your EVE.
Suck it.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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eug3nio Anninen
Global Isk Network Ushra'Khan
18
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:44:41 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:[quote=Ima Wreckyou]There are tons of new or returning players everywhere. Just kill any random miner in highsec and you will see. So there is no problem really.
ahahahahaha very very probable
e**ug3n[u]i**o[/u]
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eug3nio Anninen
Global Isk Network Ushra'Khan
18
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:45:41 -
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I suggest you to come out of h shell. One day attacking miners will be prohibited. I can bet on it. This slowly goes into Orwelian future. So there is no problem really.[/quote]
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Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
378
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:47:20 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:There are tons of new or returning players everywhere. Just kill any random miner in highsec and you will see. So there is no problem really. I suggest you to come out of h shell. One day attacking miners will be prohibited. I can bet on it. This slowly goes into Orwelian future. So there is no problem really.
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
7
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:51:10 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:William Legrand-Marx wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:There are tons of new or returning players everywhere. Just kill any random miner in highsec and you will see. So there is no problem really. I suggest you to come out of h shell. One day attacking miners will be prohibited. I can bet on it. This slowly goes into Orwelian future. So there is no problem really. Don't feed the trolls please. Ok, ok I will try to behave.
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
7
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Posted - 2016.07.19 13:52:41 -
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Sustrai Aditua wrote:If you have a requirement that a game must have a significant "update" that is a sea change from the previous build (a requirement wholly invented by the so-called playerbase, btw) and someone is foolish enough to accept that as law and then tries to fulfill this pie-in-the-sky (totally off the scale unrealistic) demand, then of course the game you end up with, after a few such "updates" will not resemble what you began with. After all, you CHANGED IT. GEEZ. The more I read these "you ruined the game" or "what would make this game perfect" posts, the more I'm convinced what is needed is a psychiatric screening...(wouldn't hurt to have that for a few....okay, no politics today.) From what I gather, the entire game is supposed to be reworked and upgraded in some way. No thought whatever is given to the obvious expense of maintaining an operation that can actually do something like this. The main factor, if you folks have been playing all THAT long, that gets left out is - how high have all prices risen everywhere in this intervening time? How can CCP be on this imaginary island where production costs haven't practically doubled since the first build of the game? How high has your sub for EVE risen? To live in your world, you'd be paying at least $45 a month (PER ACCOUNT and NO PLEXING) to even claim to have the standing to make such demands. But, guess what. You AREN'T paying that. (If you are actually paying with money LIKE ME) you're still paying the same amount as when you began. You take all the "ideas" you "gaming experts" spew out over the course of a year, and quantify them in terms of development costs, each "update" you imagine is the equivalent of building an entirely new game, the cost of which has risen right along with the cost of your ham sandwiches and lattes. By now, to meet this expectation, CCP would have spent $75 million USD EASILY. I see NO nod, tip of the hat, gesture toward THIS. All I see is demand piled upon demand piled upon demand. We get fifteen paragraphs of "why I'm the expert here" then two paragraphs of "I don't care what it costs (obviously since I didn't MENTION IT), just give me this....I deserve it." It's not surprising, the great project that was supposed to save us from all the MMOs developers imposed agony "Star Citizen" is bogged down so much in crowd funding, they haven't gotten around to developing a game. (There are also rumors law enforcement is investigating the shakers and movers of that project for misuse-age of funds. Your cavalry i$n't coming!) Hell yeah, EVE has changed. You begged for it. You clamored. You expected. You created this artificial "need" for "games" to update every three months just to keep you happy paying the same amount as though all this effort is OWED to you. Now you have what you asked for, you don't like it. Unbelievable. You sound like the Entitlement Generation. Wait.... I have congratulated several people on their volunteering the money to launch some of these fabulous "updates" they gin up in their infallible imaginations while they shower, then eat their ramen dinners. How generous to volunteer to pay! Guess what! Right. NO money was forthcoming...just another "great idea". If it wasn't for you people insisting a game has to have a major update every three months, you'd still have your EVE. Suck it.
You must be one of those who read the first and the last line, few comments and knwing nothing started on conclusions.
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