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Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
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Posted - 2016.07.21 17:05:11 -
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Each of the covert ops desperately needs like 2-3 more powergrid. Take a Buzzard - If I fit a probe launcher, cloak, compact mwd, and 4 scanning upgrades, I'm exactly..... 1.25 pg over, one pg with PWG V. I mean come on, making me use a fitting mod to use a compact mwd and 6 mods which require 1 pg each is a bit unreasonable. This holds true for most of the covops. CCP, please add just a couple power grid to each covert ops. |
afk phone
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2016.07.21 17:07:49 -
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Blinky Jimmy wrote:Each of the covert ops desperately needs like 2-3 more powergrid. Take a Buzzard - If I fit a probe launcher, cloak, compact mwd, and 4 scanning upgrades, I'm exactly..... 1.25 pg over, one pg with PWG V. I mean come on, making me use a fitting mod to use a compact mwd and 6 mods which require 1 pg each is a bit unreasonable. This holds true for most of the covops. CCP, please add just a couple power grid to each covert ops.
ALWAYS have a +3 power grid hard wire in your head. (Keep a stack of them and whatever else your standard brain load out is in the station you go to after that bright flash of light)
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Darkwing Fiftytwo
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2016.07.21 17:10:54 -
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The +2%'s are like 5mm dont be poor. |
Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
15
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Posted - 2016.07.21 17:25:26 -
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It's not about being poor. B/c of the low base pwg a percentage based implant isn't enough. http://prntscr.com/bvrwr1 You need genos AND a hardwiring for that. |
Valkin Mordirc
2213
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Posted - 2016.07.21 17:32:32 -
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Then drop a Istab for a fitting mod?
It's like your bitching that certain fits needing fitting mods is poorly balanced.
#DeleteTheWeak
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1333
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Posted - 2016.07.21 17:33:34 -
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And if you use a powerdiagnostic II and a nano instead?
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Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
15
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Posted - 2016.07.21 17:38:29 -
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Again.... my entire point is that it is unreasonable to require a fitting mod for the most basic of fits. Read the OP fully pls. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4559
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Posted - 2016.07.21 17:43:27 -
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Why is it unreasonable? |
Blinky Jimmy
Irreducibly Insane
15
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Posted - 2016.07.21 17:49:53 -
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The idea of restricted fitting is to institute balance. So, you can't just fit a 1600 plate and a 100mn ab to a frigate. Being able to fit a compact mwd, a full of rack of scanning upgrades, a cloak, and a probe launcher is hardly game breaking or unbalanced. |
Iain Cariaba
3172
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Posted - 2016.07.21 19:57:53 -
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Yeah...
Still not seeing where it's unreasonable.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Blinky Jimmy
What Drifters SRP Corporation
15
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Posted - 2016.07.22 00:09:45 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Yeah...
Still not seeing where it's unreasonable. Consider a pair of advanced goggles, like mine. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3402
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Posted - 2016.07.22 00:23:54 -
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I dont see this as an issue. There are a few ways to get the grid you need and if you need it that bad you'll make the compromise.
Also worth noting, not EVERY slot needs to be filled for a ship to do a job, and there are low slots that dont take up grid.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
1030
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Posted - 2016.07.22 00:45:04 -
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I don't like how bombers are always skewed on fittings but at the same time it makes fitting them a challenge, there are certain types of ships in this game that you can basically only fit in one way and that kind of meta gets boring. I have a ton of fits for bombers, and don't really think they need buffs.
Blops on the other hand...
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Blinky Jimmy
What Drifters SRP Corporation
15
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Posted - 2016.07.22 04:36:29 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:I don't like how bombers are always skewed on fittings but at the same time it makes fitting them a challenge, there are certain types of ships in this game that you can basically only fit in one way and that kind of meta gets boring. I have a ton of fits for bombers, and don't really think they need buffs.
Blops on the other hand... I'm speaking only about covops scan frigs. |
Blinky Jimmy
What Drifters SRP Corporation
15
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Posted - 2016.07.22 04:37:27 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:I dont see this as an issue. There are a few ways to get the grid you need and if you need it that bad you'll make the compromise.
Also worth noting, not EVERY slot needs to be filled for a ship to do a job, and there are low slots that dont take up grid. This is with low slots using 0 pg mods. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect to have the pg to fit all slots with very low pg mods. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1333
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Posted - 2016.07.22 05:40:09 -
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If you need a prop mod, you can use an afterburner instead. Those propel you too.
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Blinky Jimmy
What Drifters SRP Corporation
15
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Posted - 2016.07.22 06:27:14 -
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elitatwo wrote:If you need a prop mod, you can use an afterburner instead. Those propel you too. Sure they propel you, but not nearly as quickly and much less usefully most of the time imo. I challenge you to find any other frigate class of any other tech level that cannot fit a compact 5m mwd and a full rack of modules requiring one pg without fitting mods, then explain to me why this class should (generally) be unable too. |
afk phone
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:17:30 -
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You fit is garbage anyway. Where's the point? How do you expect to kill anyone without a point? (just kidding..... kind of)
I'm pretty sure most of the folks responding here understand exactly what you are saying. They are disagreeing with your point of view. That doesn't make them wrong.
I've been flying cov ops in wh for years. I'm comfortable with it be how it is and adapt fits to various needs. Part of the engaging and interesting part of eve is that you have a lot of fitting choices for every ship in the game. These choices have pros and cons. If all ships could be easily fit for all purposes...... BORING!!
You decided you need a MWD. That's fine. The penalty for that great speed is reduced cap and the fitting costs. If you go AB, you'll free up a lot (frigate scale) of grid for other stuff. If you go no prop mod you'll be crazy slow, BUT awash in luxurious amounts of power grid.
I think you know all this and are just trying to put one over on CCP and this forum. |
afk phone
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:20:45 -
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Blinky Jimmy wrote:elitatwo wrote:If you need a prop mod, you can use an afterburner instead. Those propel you too. Sure they propel you, but not nearly as quickly and much less usefully most of the time imo. I challenge you to find any other frigate class of any other tech level that cannot fit a compact 5m mwd and a full rack of modules requiring one pg without fitting mods, then explain to me why this class should (generally) be unable too.
It's your thread, I challenge you to convince me that a cov ops frig whose ROLE is stealth and primary asset is to warp cloaked needs a mwd.
I don't think it needs one. If you want one, then give up a slot for a fitting mod or an implant that allows you to do what you want. |
Xaros IX
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2016.07.22 12:57:11 -
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Helios is the only covops that sports 1 drone. No other covert frig gets that. No complaints. Caldari ships are notorious for their fitting issues. Anathema and cheetah dont get the meds like the buzzard, and helios has only 2 highslots. These are tradeoffs.
Skill for another covops frigate if buzzard doesnt suit you. |
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
927
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Posted - 2016.07.22 14:09:17 -
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NO
Because fitting and ship choices.
I been running the 4 T2 scan frigs since late 2010, never hed the need for nor can I even begin to understand how or why you would need MWD on a scan ship especially one that can use the cov-ops cloak. However since you claim that you NEED a MWD I submit this for your consideration, posted in EFT format.
[Buzzard]
Reactor Control Unit II Inertial Stabilizers II
Scan Rangefinding Array II Scan Pinpointing Array II Scan Acquisition Array II Data Analyzer II 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
With all applicable skills level 5 162.5 of 375 CPU 20 of 21.56 PG 375 of 400 Cal No implants needed or used for this fit.
Yes it sacrifices a low slot to a fitting mod, and yes I know you already stated that was not a good thing. I agree with the rest the Buzzard is fine as it is, if it does not suit your specific needs there are three other ships in the class to try and there is always the T3 cruisers at least one of those ships will meet your needs.
In short -1 to your idea for more PG on the T2 scan frigates. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2629
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Posted - 2016.07.23 02:24:22 -
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The combination of covert ops cloak, high natural agility, and 5mn MWD makes you pretty much impossible to catch unless you don't know how to fly your ship. That's why it requires some fitting compromises to fit the 5mn MWD.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Morrigan LeSante
Black Omega Security The OSS
1522
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Posted - 2016.07.23 09:47:20 -
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afk phone wrote:Blinky Jimmy wrote:elitatwo wrote:If you need a prop mod, you can use an afterburner instead. Those propel you too. Sure they propel you, but not nearly as quickly and much less usefully most of the time imo. I challenge you to find any other frigate class of any other tech level that cannot fit a compact 5m mwd and a full rack of modules requiring one pg without fitting mods, then explain to me why this class should (generally) be unable too. It's your thread, I challenge you to convince me that a cov ops frig whose ROLE is stealth and primary asset is to warp cloaked needs a mwd. I don't think it needs one. If you want one, then give up a slot for a fitting mod or an implant that allows you to do what you want.
Running good bubble camps without an mwd doesn't end well. It needs one alright. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
804
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Posted - 2016.07.23 11:25:03 -
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I am genuinely supprised to see a non-rant about Cov ops frigs... |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
928
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Posted - 2016.07.23 14:36:49 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Running good bubble camps without an mwd doesn't end well. It needs one alright. What can a T2 can frigate like the Buzzard do in a bubble camp that cannot be done better by other ships or other classes of ships?
As they say inquiring minds want to know.
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Iain Cariaba
3173
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Posted - 2016.07.23 14:40:50 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:afk phone wrote:Blinky Jimmy wrote:elitatwo wrote:If you need a prop mod, you can use an afterburner instead. Those propel you too. Sure they propel you, but not nearly as quickly and much less usefully most of the time imo. I challenge you to find any other frigate class of any other tech level that cannot fit a compact 5m mwd and a full rack of modules requiring one pg without fitting mods, then explain to me why this class should (generally) be unable too. It's your thread, I challenge you to convince me that a cov ops frig whose ROLE is stealth and primary asset is to warp cloaked needs a mwd. I don't think it needs one. If you want one, then give up a slot for a fitting mod or an implant that allows you to do what you want. Running good bubble camps without an mwd doesn't end well. It needs one alright. A good pilot can get through a good bubble camp even with an AB. It's all a matter of knowing how to fly your covops.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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