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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.15 14:59:03 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous. That is so pathetic So what this person who does not PvP is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free, lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. sounds kinda like that afk flag for local you keep asking for dosent it eh.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.08.15 15:02:29 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous. That is so pathetic So what this person who does not PvP is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free, lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. sounds kinda like that afk flag for local you keep asking for dosent it eh.
That is different, it is to make the AFK part less effective without destroying cloaks.
Keep on topic, are you chaps really that bad and worried what a few rag tag indy carebears could do to your killboards with a slight splash of red on it. At least you will get a chance to shoot a few brave ones...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.15 15:07:19 -
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Dracvlad wrote: That is different,
no it isnt.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
744
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Posted - 2016.08.15 15:09:49 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dracvlad wrote: That is different,
no it isnt. Exactly.
Wants free Intel, but can't see the double standard.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2172
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Posted - 2016.08.15 15:10:13 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dracvlad wrote: That is different,
no it isnt.
Well actually I was expecting to have to defend that little beauty, no free lunch for me, and Teckos bless his cotton socks was telling me it was too easy and did not cost enough, I bet he will have a different view on the watch list one for reasons...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2172
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Posted - 2016.08.15 15:11:00 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dracvlad wrote: That is different,
no it isnt. Exactly. Wants free Intel, but can't see the double standard. What a surprise.
And you did the job for Teckos, glorious stuff...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17437
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Posted - 2016.08.15 15:34:24 -
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no i think discussing it further with you is though.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.08.15 15:39:38 -
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Dracvlad wrote:That is so pathetic How is it pathetic? Please do enlighten me.
Mining and hauling can be done AFK, and they often are, if they are done AFK the people involved are being rewarded for putting in zero effort. I don't see proposals from yourself to make the reward for those activities consummate with the amount of effort put in by the players; the player driven rewards for not being AFK are a tad better in that you don't explode nearly as much, the mechanical rewards for not being AFK are pretty much the same as those for being AFK.
Quote:So what this person who does not PvP That really bugs you doesn't it?
Quote:is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. Nope I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in you demanding that mercs put in more effort to their gameplay while ignoring that the majority of the people they prey on rarely put any in at all.
Quote:Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free Locator intel has never been free, either in terms of isk or the standings required to use the agents.
Quote: lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. Did I suggest any of this? I think that you'll find the answer is a resounding no.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2174
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Posted - 2016.08.15 17:03:24 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous.
Pathetic...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26603
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Posted - 2016.08.15 17:18:32 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous. Pathetic... Avoiding the question is commonly regarded as a logical fallacy.
I asked you how my statement was pathetic, given your refusal to answer the question beyond restating that you think it to be pathetic I think that it's safe to say that you can't.
Quelle surprise.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.15 17:33:31 -
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lets play DracvlaaaaaaaAAAAAD BINGOOOOO!
you have all been provided with one of these easy to reference bingo cards , first one to call bingo wins an unsuccessful-at-everything fit raptor.
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
127
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Posted - 2016.08.15 18:21:17 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous. That is so pathetic So what this person who does not PvP is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free, lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. I think I had to get standings for the locator agent and there is a cost each time I use it and there is a delay between uses. So free is not accurate. It is hyperbole just as the rest of your statement. |
Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
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Posted - 2016.08.15 18:27:18 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
Keep on topic, are you chaps really that bad and worried what a few rag tag indy carebears could do to your killboards with a slight splash of red on it. At least you will get a chance to shoot a few brave ones...
And quit talking about killboards, I've played this game for 13 years and don't give a **** about killboards. Talk about staying on topic... |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2177
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:17:37 -
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Lex Gabinia wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
Keep on topic, are you chaps really that bad and worried what a few rag tag indy carebears could do to your killboards with a slight splash of red on it. At least you will get a chance to shoot a few brave ones...
And quit talking about killboards, I've played this game for 13 years and don't give a **** about killboards. Talk about staying on topic...
Are you a merc? What relevance do you and your attitude to your killboard have in terms of certain mercs kicking people who suffer a loss. This means that they are worried about having red in their killboard for some reasons....
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:18:25 -
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Lex Gabinia wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous. That is so pathetic So what this person who does not PvP is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free, lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. I think I had to get standings for the locator agent and there is a cost each time I use it and there is a delay between uses. So free is not accurate. It is hyperbole just as the rest of your statement.
I have locator agents too, so what?
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2177
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:19:27 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous. Pathetic... Avoiding the question is commonly regarded as a logical fallacy. I asked you how my statement was pathetic, given your refusal to answer the question beyond restating that you think it to be pathetic I think that it's safe to say that you can't. Quelle surprise.
Still pathetic, you are saying mercs are not capable of defending an OS from indy carebears, didn't know you had such a low impression of them...
And for Ralph, responding to people by linking stuff, really sad...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17441
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:29:09 -
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No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point. I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss. For instance, you brought up kb's not i.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:33:19 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point. I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss.
Well sadly you seem to have decided that the only thing you want is the totally free watch list data just like it was before. Bit disappointing that...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17447
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:39:46 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point. I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss.
Well sadly you seem to have decided that the only thing you want is the totally free watch list data just like it was before. Bit disappointing that... There you go again, From day 0 of this 5 1/2 month argument ive been advocating for locators to get a balance pass , I have never once asked for what you just said.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:48:15 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point. I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss.
Well sadly you seem to have decided that the only thing you want is the totally free watch list data just like it was before. Bit disappointing that...
Ralph has never asked for free watch list data. Never.
He like many others in the Merc community have asked for Locator agents to get a rebalance.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
748
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:50:14 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point. I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss.
Well sadly you seem to have decided that the only thing you want is the totally free watch list data just like it was before. Bit disappointing that... There you go again, From day 0 of this 5 1/2 month argument ive been advocating for locators to get a balance pass , I have never once asked for what you just said. He's just a liar, not worth responding to.
His posts here are a good example of Herzog's 'toxic community' and one reason why the player numbers are lower. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:50:50 -
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*flicks imaginary lint from shoulder*
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:51:04 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point. I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss.
Well sadly you seem to have decided that the only thing you want is the totally free watch list data just like it was before. Bit disappointing that... There you go again, From day 0 of this 5 1/2 month argument ive been advocating for locators to get a balance pass , I have never once asked for what you just said.
Locators would still be free data, a lot more free then what I proposed and will not enable some hisec players to become a bit more aggressive in how they deal with war decs and create a change in the current defeatist attitude. You are just interested in your own easy game play, like all the rest of the HTFU group.
The reason I have suggested this is simply to give some way to effectively make an impact, I have seen your suggestion of going after the hub campers, do you seriously think that indy pilots who have limited PvP training and skill will catch an instra locking Svipul, seriously. I have seen some of these people from my time with AG, they have no idea at all. You know what they are doing but they do not. So if they keep failing with no result do you seriously think they will keep at it, nope.
I think I misjudged you, I thought you had something more, but your recent move to one liners and linking smart ass pictures defines you as too set in your lazy ways and too fed up to even think about improving hisec in Eve.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2177
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Posted - 2016.08.15 19:53:29 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point. I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss.
Well sadly you seem to have decided that the only thing you want is the totally free watch list data just like it was before. Bit disappointing that... Ralph has never asked for free watch list data. Never. He like many others in the Merc community have asked for Locator agents to get a rebalance.
That is free data, so locators will tell you so and so is in this station and he is online, cost you about 300k from memory or something small like that, yeah free data. No way to interdict it, nothing just the same lazy hunting as before. Even the mercs I thought had something about them turn out to be little better than the hub humpers.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17450
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Posted - 2016.08.15 20:03:08 -
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You sure you understand what "free" means?
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
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Posted - 2016.08.15 20:05:19 -
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Dracvlad wrote:The reason I have suggested this is simply to give some way to effectively make an impact, I have seen your suggestion of going after the hub campers, do you seriously think that indy pilots who have limited PvP training and skill will catch an instra locking Svipul, seriously. I have seen some of these people from my time with AG, they have no idea at all. You know what they are doing but they do not. So if they keep failing with no result do you seriously think they will keep at it, nope. I think I misjudged you, I thought you had something more, but your recent move to one liners and linking smart ass pictures defines you as too set in your lazy ways and too fed up to even think about improving hisec in Eve. So, they can't play the game therefore the game should change? How does this make sense at all?
What you call an improvement is nothing more than catering to someone who is lazy. Yes, lazy. If one doesn't want to learn something and forces it to change drastically to accommodate them then that is a perfect example of lazy - lazy and entitled. |
Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
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Posted - 2016.08.15 20:07:59 -
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Dracvlad wrote:That is free data, so locators will tell you so and so is in this station and he is online, cost you about 300k from memory or something small like that, yeah free data. No way to interdict it, nothing just the same lazy hunting as before. Even the mercs I thought had something about them turn out to be little better than the hub humpers. Yeah - free. Free after grinding for standings, flying to the agent (which aren't just all over the place by the way), paying the fee then getting one piece of information on one character then waiting a half hour for the next request. Free...time is worth a lot more than ISK. |
Lex Gabinia
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Posted - 2016.08.15 20:08:46 -
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Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
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Posted - 2016.08.15 20:09:07 -
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I found it balanced since the people I declared war upon also had access to the watch list and locater agents just like I did.
The only difference is I used them and they didn't.
Whining happened and we lost the watch list.
Locater agents don't tell you they are online.
There are over 5000 star systems.
Get the point?
And to add a statement that doesn't help the argument...I think Japanese women are hawt.
Thank you.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2177
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Posted - 2016.08.15 20:23:25 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:I found it balanced since the people I declared war upon also had access to the watch list and locater agents just like I did.
The only difference is I used them and they didn't.
Whining happened and we lost the watch list.
Locater agents don't tell you they are online.
There are over 5000 star systems.
Get the point?
And to add a statement that doesn't help the argument...I think Japanese women are hawt.
Thank you.
Well I am bored talking to the other lot.
i used the watch list for keeping tabs on war dec characters and Black Ops pilots, I sometimes used locator agents to check for certain players but as I have not at this point really gone after someone I only did so out of curiosity.
The whining did not come from me and hisec players, it came from Super and Titan pilots, it was due to the break this put on the use of those ships. It had a much improved affect on those ships at this point. In terms of the impact in hisec it means that people have to put more effort in in terms of hunting people, you also have to do more work in working out your prey before hand. Is that too hard, then are you really a hunter killer?
5,000 systems means jack, most people have bases in a few areas, as I said target selection, not lazy blanket decs and then hunting, you have to work for it. Just too many lazy people...
Since the watch list changes I find it rather amusing just going about my busines sin the last war dec knowing that as long as I kept away from the pipes, hubs and main mission hubs I was safe. I set up for a visit, as I use my main on the forums some people might get annoyed enough to have a go, but only one tried and it was fairly easy to deal with.
If some of you want easy to locate combat go play a FPS...
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