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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
90
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Posted - 2016.08.12 02:40:50 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Che Biko wrote:Hmm, Aux Aliette sounds Gallente...looks Gallente...but seemingly he either has become so cosmopolitan that he's lost some touch with Gallente artistry, or he is so busy that he did not have time to do a proper analysis. Funny to see Tuulinen having a better grasp on that. That because when I created him I forgot to add any depth of personality, humor, and the ability to make or understand emotionally based decisions. So he's effectively a bot designed to lock threads and ban people.... I did leave the ability to develop those things, but it seems it didn't take. My apologies, it's to late to fix now though. Then kill him and make a new and better one |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2033
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Posted - 2016.08.12 14:31:13 -
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Slayer Liberator wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Che Biko wrote:Hmm, Aux Aliette sounds Gallente...looks Gallente...but seemingly he either has become so cosmopolitan that he's lost some touch with Gallente artistry, or he is so busy that he did not have time to do a proper analysis. Funny to see Tuulinen having a better grasp on that. That because when I created him I forgot to add any depth of personality, humor, and the ability to make or understand emotionally based decisions. So he's effectively a bot designed to lock threads and ban people.... I did leave the ability to develop those things, but it seems it didn't take. My apologies, it's to late to fix now though. Then kill him and make a new and better one Do you have any idea how difficult it is to make one of those?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
90
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Posted - 2016.08.12 15:10:27 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Slayer Liberator wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Che Biko wrote:Hmm, Aux Aliette sounds Gallente...looks Gallente...but seemingly he either has become so cosmopolitan that he's lost some touch with Gallente artistry, or he is so busy that he did not have time to do a proper analysis. Funny to see Tuulinen having a better grasp on that. That because when I created him I forgot to add any depth of personality, humor, and the ability to make or understand emotionally based decisions. So he's effectively a bot designed to lock threads and ban people.... I did leave the ability to develop those things, but it seems it didn't take. My apologies, it's to late to fix now though. Then kill him and make a new and better one Do you have any idea how difficult it is to make one of those? No but where I come from the repair person destroys any complacated broken stuff and just gets a new one I thought that was the easiest solution |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2036
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Posted - 2016.08.12 18:48:51 -
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Slayer Liberator wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Slayer Liberator wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Che Biko wrote:Hmm, Aux Aliette sounds Gallente...looks Gallente...but seemingly he either has become so cosmopolitan that he's lost some touch with Gallente artistry, or he is so busy that he did not have time to do a proper analysis. Funny to see Tuulinen having a better grasp on that. That because when I created him I forgot to add any depth of personality, humor, and the ability to make or understand emotionally based decisions. So he's effectively a bot designed to lock threads and ban people.... I did leave the ability to develop those things, but it seems it didn't take. My apologies, it's to late to fix now though. Then kill him and make a new and better one Do you have any idea how difficult it is to make one of those? No but where I come from the repair person destroys any complacated broken stuff and just gets a new one I thought that was the easiest solution That only works if the thing you've broke is mass produced. Unique snowflakes are harder to replace.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
92
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Posted - 2016.08.12 21:10:07 -
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Oh right |
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
619
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Posted - 2016.09.06 05:42:16 -
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What wonderful news, civility will once again reign on the IGS.
Ideas can have their day in the court of public opinion without every thinker being personally flamed.
This is very good news, I hope they enforce it, and I hope it needs little enforcement because we all try to do better on our own as well.
"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,
we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part,
revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
226
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Posted - 2016.09.26 00:44:27 -
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So did this thread end up just being lip service after all?
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
579
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Posted - 2016.09.30 06:36:04 -
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I am formally protesting the fact that any killmail linked is treated as a derailment of topic. Kills are the catalyst and result of much of new eden's activity and the fact I cannot use them in argument is ridiculous.
This rule panders to the safe high-sec pilot and ignores how relevant they are to the daily life of every other pilot. Being able to use empirical data in an argument to demonstrate a point is crucial. Instead I just get posts removed.
This is just a means for those alliances seeking investors who cannot defend their assets and those terrorists who cannot construct a reliable detonator to act unimpeded regardless of facts of the events. CONCORD's information about ship losses should not be restricted on the IGS.
"Though dissuaded, I came. Though perilous, I served. Though beset, I persevered. Though denied, I believed."
- The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 12:18
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Matar Ronin
1959
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Posted - 2016.10.03 19:17:20 -
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Posting kill mails is not allowed.
To formally protest what you have agreed to is far from reasonable.
Find a way to make your point within the rules.
If not, create your own version of IGS and make up your own rules.
Nothing stops you from doing that. See how many participants you can gather.
I suspect the numbers will not come close to the numbers here on IGS.
Breaking the rules and bending them to our will is always an adolescent thrill, but eventually reality demands we rise above the short cuts of youthful passions and make more thoughtful arguments that can persuade and not just annoy or embarrass. Kill mails do far more of the latter and very little of the former. They have no place on IGS.
IGS participants should be able to keep to the usage agreement, period.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2095
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Posted - 2016.10.03 20:16:21 -
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Ayallah wrote:I am formally protesting the fact that any killmail linked is treated as a derailment of topic. Kills are the catalyst and result of much of new eden's activity and the fact I cannot use them in argument is ridiculous.
This rule panders to the safe high-sec pilot and ignores how relevant they are to the daily life of every other pilot. Being able to use empirical data in an argument to demonstrate a point is crucial. Instead I just get posts removed.
This is just a means for those alliances seeking investors who cannot defend their assets and those terrorists who cannot construct a reliable detonator to act unimpeded regardless of facts of the events. CONCORD's information about ship losses should not be restricted on the IGS. I Claudia Amelia Testarossa Wingate Lillithella Osyn MDCXXXIV, Goddess of the IGS, hear your protest and will take it into consideration.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
816
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Posted - 2016.10.04 16:29:47 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Posting kill mails is not allowed.
To formally protest what you have agreed to is far from reasonable.
Find a way to make your point within the rules.
If not, create your own version of IGS and make up your own rules.
Nothing stops you from doing that. See how many participants you can gather.
I suspect the numbers will not come close to the numbers here on IGS.
Breaking the rules and bending them to our will is always an adolescent thrill, but eventually reality demands we rise above the short cuts of youthful passions and make more thoughtful arguments that can persuade and not just annoy or embarrass. Kill mails do far more of the latter and very little of the former. They have no place on IGS.
IGS participants should be able to keep to the usage agreement, period.
You missed the point entirely. Users of a service can petition the owner of the service to change the terms of the usage agreement towards something more suitable. If the owner of the service, in a free market, ignores these requests and enough of the users support the requests, they'll have a hard time keeping their membership. However, the DED has a monopoly here. So instead, what will happen, what has always happened, is that activity on the Summit will go down the more the clueless DED officials ignore and even punish people for wanting to express themselves.
There is nothing absurd at all about a user wanting a change to the terms of the usage agreement. It is an agreement between two parties and as such, either relevant party is perfectly within their rights to request a change as it relates to their preferences. The DED can choose to deny that request, but the user can still make that request.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Matar Ronin
2221
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Posted - 2016.10.17 17:12:14 -
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Jason Galente wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:Posting kill mails is not allowed.
To formally protest what you have agreed to is far from reasonable.
Find a way to make your point within the rules.
If not, create your own version of IGS and make up your own rules.
Nothing stops you from doing that. See how many participants you can gather.
I suspect the numbers will not come close to the numbers here on IGS.
Breaking the rules and bending them to our will is always an adolescent thrill, but eventually reality demands we rise above the short cuts of youthful passions and make more thoughtful arguments that can persuade and not just annoy or embarrass. Kill mails do far more of the latter and very little of the former. They have no place on IGS.
IGS participants should be able to keep to the usage agreement, period. You missed the point entirely. Users of a service can petition the owner of the service to change the terms of the usage agreement towards something more suitable. If the owner of the service, in a free market, ignores these requests and enough of the users support the requests, they'll have a hard time keeping their membership. However, the DED has a monopoly here. So instead, what will happen, what has always happened, is that activity on the Summit will go down the more the clueless DED officials ignore and even punish people for wanting to express themselves. There is nothing absurd at all about a user wanting a change to the terms of the usage agreement. It is an agreement between two parties and as such, either relevant party is perfectly within their rights to request a change as it relates to their preferences. The DED can choose to deny that request, but the user can still make that request. You missed the bigger point. Users are not forced to use the service. Do as you agreed or not do at all. Not complicated.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Mighty Wings.
5991
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Posted - 2016.12.01 13:56:46 -
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If the authorities refuse to actually moderate their forum, the apalling state the IGS is currently in will persist indefinitely. If you refuse to fix this mess, to whom are we supposed to turn?
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Elanion
61
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Posted - 2016.12.01 15:14:58 -
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When strategic employment of the block feature on 3-4 pilots effectively removes 70-80% of the content on IGS, you know the service has lost any notion of its monicker. Nothing of value will be achieved here, and clowns have made easy entertainment for the masses since long before DED existed.
My only suggestion is to return to the salon. Small, semi-regular meetings, in person and by invitation only, to discuss matters of culture and policy.
RIP YC111-115 GÇó "The project discarded, its subjects forgotten... thence must the burden be shouldered."
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
635
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Posted - 2016.12.02 05:59:09 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:You missed the bigger point. Users are not forced to use the service. Do as you agreed or not do at all. Not complicated. Brilliant analysis. What people are asking for is a change in policy.
As strength goes.
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Matar Ronin
3344
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Posted - 2016.12.02 06:23:37 -
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Follow the rules you agreed to or head for the exits either way stop all the whining.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Mighty Wings.
6003
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Posted - 2016.12.02 09:10:45 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Follow the rules you agreed to or head for the exits either way stop all the whining. We are following the rules. What's concerning is that a few people are quite blatantly not, and are being given free reign to abuse others while the authorities do nothing.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1807
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Posted - 2016.12.02 10:33:54 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote: a few people
Oh yes, of course.
Those people.
It's always those people, who are to blame.
Yes, indeed, those people, who ruin everything by their behaviour.
Why, look at all the things that are posted elsewhere, on more actively moderated fora, without the participation of those people. The content there is so much higher quality than here.
Actively moderated fora such as:
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Mighty Wings.
6005
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Posted - 2016.12.02 12:45:31 -
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On other CRC-moderated fora where the CRC proscriptions against thread derailment and repeated harassment are actively enforced, the content is indeed of a higher quality. So thanks for asking.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1807
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Posted - 2016.12.02 13:53:51 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:other CRC-moderated fora where the CRC proscriptions against thread derailment and repeated harassment are actively enforced
Including such well known fora as:
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Andreus Ixiris
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6005
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:16:01 -
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See the little taskbar above the IGS where it says "Forums" and "Communication Center?"
Click on those. Look at any of the other CRC-moderated channels they offer.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
928
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Posted - 2016.12.03 08:58:00 -
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I'd just like to point out that I spend most of my time these days on The Summit, not the Intergalactic Summit, because on The Summit, those 2-3 people consistently at the root of most dramatic problems are banned. And I can actually have useful conversations with nice people there. And the salon idea as well, meetings in person are so much more productive. Usually the mark of who is NOT a part of those people as Valerie put it, is that they are actually willing to meet you in a civil setting and behave in a civil manner. If they can't tolerate the presence of a significant number of people enough to do that, usually they're one of those people.
I see your point Valerie, but sometimes the shoe does fit.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1807
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Posted - 2016.12.03 12:41:45 -
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Oh, Thal had a birthday party ? When was that ?
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Andreus Ixiris
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6023
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Posted - 2016.12.03 14:31:58 -
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Jason Galente wrote:I see your point Valerie, but sometimes the shoe does fit. There is no "point." Literally the only people who agitate so vociferously against proper forum moderation are those likely to lose their ability to post on it if it was imposed.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1807
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Posted - 2016.12.03 15:30:06 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Jason Galente wrote:I see your point Valerie, but sometimes the shoe does fit. There is no "point." Literally the only people who agitate so vociferously against proper forum moderation are those likely to lose their ability to post on it if it was imposed.
Factually wrong.
Unlike Admiral Noir, you missed what you were aiming for.
See.
There have been more than a few projects, where people have said "The IGS is terrible, let's make a thing without those people in it", and people go "yeah!" in agreement. After much hoohah, said thing is made and then...
None of the people who complained about the "quality" of the IGS actually post anything on the forum that aspired to be better, with a more rigorous moderation regime. 26 threads in 18 months, across 4 fora.
Given the opportunity to post their quality content in a venue away from those people, the people complaining about the IGS, did nothing.
The moderation is not the issue here.
It's easy for a single airhorn to drown out a solo flute. A single airhorn cannot drown out a massed flute band.
In fact, let us suppose that the CRC did indeed ban all of those people.
Do you think anyone would actually post anything ?
I, for one, am sceptical, given the lack of postings on venues where the "proper forum moderation", was in place.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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morion
Lighting Build
174
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Posted - 2017.01.05 19:57:36 -
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Valerie Valate you almost stay in character / yes the echo chamber is defining and yes i will self flagellation. |
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