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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.07.26 10:40:12 -
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Hello CCP Falcon,
I've read somewhere that you were a pirate or a nullsec pvp player ( something like that ) so I think you can give me an answer about that.
I've given a look to this website link:
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99002775/
Statistic here says this alliance gained about 30 trillions of isks and lost about 1 trillion isks playing 74% solo.
It's a ratio of 30:1
What's the reason of a so amazing result in your opinion?
I'm very curious to know the reason from a pvp player that became a game developer because the reason is obscure to me. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
325
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Posted - 2016.07.26 10:48:42 -
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ISK value: Mainly freighter ganks. Solo to Gang relation: Autopilot podding, shuttle ganking, that kind of stuff.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1107
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Posted - 2016.07.26 10:48:49 -
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1.) If you enter a "fair" fight 2.) You've done it wrong. 3.) ??? 4.) Profit! |
Trevor Dalech
Absolute Obedience Resonance.
245
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Posted - 2016.07.26 10:49:20 -
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I'll feed the troll...
Killboards will only show the damaging ships (because that's all they can see) but they are in fact not playing solo.
They have scouts, warp-in alts, intel channels, who all cooperate well together to get one ship in the position to get good kills. Aside from that they solid ship-fitting knowledge, and a manufacturing and logistics base which distributes said ships where they are needed.
it's not solo, you are being outplayed by a well coordinated, highly organised group of players. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
355
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Posted - 2016.07.26 10:53:30 -
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Green killboards are for F1 monkeys anyway.
Real solo PvPers with huge man balls, have red in their kbs. Oh, so much red... |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
634
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Posted - 2016.07.26 10:58:26 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Statistic here says this alliance gained about 30 trillions of isks and lost about 1 trillion isks ... How do you calculate that they gained about 30 trillion?
Their entire among destroyed is 33.6 trillion. |
Eladanus
White Sun Enterprises
48
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Posted - 2016.07.26 10:59:25 -
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They're using very cheap ships (Cataylsts and Thrashers) to take down Freighers that are worth (and carrying) billions of ISK.
Worth remembering though that these fights aren't just 1v1, and they aren't exchanging one 10m Catalyst for a 10b Frieghter. Like others have said, the gankers are very organised, have weight of numbers, and aren't actually playing solo much of the time.
The stats don't mean all too much tbh. Any new player with a few weeks of training could hop in a gank ship and go blow up a miner or hauler have a green KB with 100% solo on it. |
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:00:39 -
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Actually I've asked the game developer.
I've given a look to all the top pvp alliances and ratios are different, much lower ratios and much much lower solo pvp.
Doing some factional warfare myself on another character I perfectly know how hard is solo pvp and how rare are solo pvpers.
So this so different statistic made me very curious. |
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:03:28 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Statistic here says this alliance gained about 30 trillions of isks and lost about 1 trillion isks ... How do you calculate that they gained about 30 trillion? Their entire among destroyed is 33.6 trillion.
I'm not expert of gain by destroyed ships, anyway it's the difference between all other alliances that made me so curios.
I correct to "ship destroyed" and "ship lost" if it's something important. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
634
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:04:12 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Actually I've asked the game developer.
I've given a look to all the top pvp alliances and ratios are different, much lower ratios and much much lower solo pvp.
Doing some factional warfare myself on another character I perfectly know how hard is solo pvp and how rare are solo pvpers.
So this so different statistic made me very curious. But your understanding of that statistic seems a bit off, if by "gained 30 trillion ISK" you mean that this is an increase in their wallet. It isn't. |
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
829
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:05:50 -
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Hulk: ISK280,000,000 (or thereabouts) Catalyst: ISK10,000,000 (or thereabouts)
One Catalyst can solo gank a Hulk in, iirc, 0.7 or below space. That's a 28:1 ISK-Killed:ISK-Lost ratio right there. On loaded up freighters requiring a large number of gankers, or possibly even Talos battlecruisers, the ratio climbs even higher.
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:06:39 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Actually I've asked the game developer.
I've given a look to all the top pvp alliances and ratios are different, much lower ratios and much much lower solo pvp.
Doing some factional warfare myself on another character I perfectly know how hard is solo pvp and how rare are solo pvpers.
So this so different statistic made me very curious. But your understanding of that statistic seems a bit off, if by "gained 30 trillion ISK" you mean that this is an increase in their wallet. It isn't.
mmm ok I was not referring to any wallet.
I was referring to ratios/solo compared to other top pvp alliances.
A game developer that did pvp can surely tell me why they are so much better than others on the statistics I think.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17691
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:07:58 -
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Also to point out, they have not made the profit you think they have.
For example, their most blingy kill this month was worth 17,732,100,569.54 isk of which only 385,597.18 ISK dropped |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
634
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:11:32 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Actually I've asked the game developer.
I've given a look to all the top pvp alliances and ratios are different, much lower ratios and much much lower solo pvp.
Doing some factional warfare myself on another character I perfectly know how hard is solo pvp and how rare are solo pvpers.
So this so different statistic made me very curious. But your understanding of that statistic seems a bit off, if by "gained 30 trillion ISK" you mean that this is an increase in their wallet. It isn't. mmm ok I was not referring to any wallet. I was referring to ratios/solo compared to other top pvp alliances. A game developer that did pvp can surely tell me why they are so much better than others on the statistics I think. They are successful in destroying large amounts of ISK because people in highsec carry valuable cargo in under tanked and under supported haulers and/or under tanked, expensive ships.
They target high value kills and find plenty of them because people make choices to provide them with a lot of suitable targets.
In other areas of space (and other people in highsec too) are more careful with the risk they expose themselves to. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
846
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:12:09 -
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All statistics are well arbitrary measurements of a human creation to measure something. Be they cubits or feet or meters someone created them and someone will create a better metric. This is simple an arbitrary measuring stick that humans created to measure progress or something, anything really they wanted to. And one is just as effective as another but ALL are illusions... nothing more.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Erebus Vain
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:15:22 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:1.) If you enter a "fair" fight 2.) You've done it wrong. 3.) ??? 4.) Profit!
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." - John Steinbeck |
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:19:49 -
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Erebus Vain wrote:Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:1.) If you enter a "fair" fight 2.) You've done it wrong. 3.) ??? 4.) Profit! "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." - John Steinbeck
All other alliances have totally different ratios playing gang ( that should be much more effective), I don't think their tactic suck.
Game developers develope the game, so they are surely the best ones that can interpretate and give me an answer.
And CCP Falcon was a pvper if I am correct so he's the best person that can give me an answer gamewise.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13951
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:20:13 -
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Because of Falcon.
But seriously, we got CSM because some develper was so kind as to give his friends in game tech 2 blueprints.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Online wrote: Developer misconduct
Instances of developer misconduct in Eve Online have been substantiated, leading to debates and controversy. On February 9, 2007, a player known as Kugutsumen hacked an enemy corporation's private forum to find out and reveal that Eve Online developer t20 had provided his corporation, Reikoku, with six valuable blueprints, giving them an advantage over competing corporations.[132] Some within the Eve Online community asked for t20's dismissal. While an apology letter was left for the community in the form of a dev blog, he remained an Eve Online developer until late 2008. Kugutsumen was permanently banned from the Eve Online universe for violating the game's terms of service and end-user license agreement by revealing t20's real name.[133]
In response to public concerns, CCP decided to set up an internal affairs division whose responsibility is to monitor the activities of both privileged and player accounts operated by CCP staff in-game.[134]
I think you will have to get more proof for accusations. Now its just a rumor mongering and thread will be closed.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Eladanus
White Sun Enterprises
48
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:28:14 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I was referring to ratios/solo compared to other top pvp alliances.
CODE. isn't like other top pvp alliances that you'll see listed on there. CODE. are primarilly just a high-sec alliance that specialise in killing solo miners and haulers, using small ships to kill expensive targets.
The other alliances on the top 10 list, including Goonswarm, Pandemic Legion, Test, etc. are all low-sec or null-sec alliances that don't fight solo. Instead, they fight groups of 20+ against eachother, all in expensive cruisers, HACs, battleships and capital ships. These cost more and they lose more, meaning that thier kill:loss ratio won't be as good, and their solo numbers will be comparatively lower. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
296
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:30:33 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:I think you will have to get more proof for accusations. Now its just a rumor mongering and thread will be closed. Nobody has made any "accusations" that I am aware of...?
Or are you saying they aren't even killing real players, a certain CCP employee who I'm not going to name here (because you all keep saying his name) is spawning npc freighters for them? That seems rather unlikely... |
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
296
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:31:26 -
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Eladanus wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I was referring to ratios/solo compared to other top pvp alliances.
CODE. isn't like other top pvp alliances that you'll see listed on there. CODE. are primarilly just a high-sec alliance that specialise in killing solo miners and haulers, using small ships to kill expensive targets. The other alliances on the top 10 list, including Goonswarm, Pandemic Legion, Test, etc. are all low-sec or null-sec alliances that don't fight solo. Instead, they fight groups of 20+ against eachother, all in expensive cruisers, HACs, battleships and capital ships. These cost more and they lose more, meaning that thier kill:loss ratio won't be as good, and their solo numbers will be comparatively lower. You forgot a 0 or two in your fleet sizes there... |
Erebus Vain
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:32:57 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Erebus Vain wrote:Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:1.) If you enter a "fair" fight 2.) You've done it wrong. 3.) ??? 4.) Profit! "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." - John Steinbeck All other alliances have totally different ratios playing gang ( that should be much more effective), I don't think their tactic suck. Game developers develope the game, so they are surely the best ones that can interpretate and give me an answer. And CCP Falcon was a pvper if I am correct so he's the best person that can give me an answer gamewise.
This wasn't a comment on your post as much as a complimentary comment to the other person comment. Although the statement is still true and stands up in any situations where tactics are involved against an opponent. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13951
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:33:02 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:I think you will have to get more proof for accusations. Now its just a rumor mongering and thread will be closed. Nobody has made any "accusations" that I am aware of...? Or are you saying they aren't even killing real players, a certain CCP employee who I'm not going to name here (because you all keep saying his name) is spawning npc freighters for them? That seems rather unlikely... Not spawning freighters. If certain alliance would get special treatment as to get data for their operations, from CPP developer, that would be something different however.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
634
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:36:49 -
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Is it a full moon at the moment?
Conspiracy theories now? |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13953
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:41:42 -
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This doesnt really need conspiracy theory, as it can be easily noticed that CODE was only exploiting the system to his advantage, something that Falcon is aware of, as is the rest of community. Falcon giving his vocal approval for such mechanics only provoked some player to direct question to him.
Ties from CODE to Falcon are yet to be uncovered if one wants to indulge himself into conspiracy.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:43:15 -
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Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.
I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all). |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13953
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:45:23 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.
I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all). I thought you are about to unveil something...
I am dissapointed.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
297
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:46:03 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:This doesnt really need conspiracy theory, as it can be easily noticed that CODE was only exploiting the system to his advantage, something that Falcon is aware of, as is the rest of community. Falcon giving his vocal approval for such mechanics only provoked some player to direct question to him.
Ties from CODE to Falcon are yet to be uncovered if one wants to indulge himself into conspiracy. CCP Falcon's stance towards ganking was the same long before CODE came onto the scene...
I think you'd be better off sticking to complaining about the mechanics and not trying to craft devious conspiracy theories - they are just going to make you look like a crazy person. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
634
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:46:31 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.
I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all). FW is not highsec ganking.
You aren't going to get anywhere near 30:1 ISK ratios in lowsec. Everyone is there to fight and use far less valuable ships than people risk in highsec. |
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2016.07.26 11:49:39 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.
I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all). I thought you are about to unveil something... I am dissapointed. Not many scandals these days.
No, I'm not unveiling anything.
I was partecipating and reading topics that were recently closed and I saw some of the harder answers were from players of an alliance, so I gave a look to that alliance ( I'm used to use zkill for searching fittings of the best solo FW players ) and comparing their ratios to other top pvp alliances I saw they are completely different.
So I'm asking the opinion of a Game developer that I've read was a pvper.
Nothing more, nothing less. |
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