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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 15:42:55 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Ugh, maybe I should make something else. Like read a blog where CCP writes: Quote:Greetings again honorable spaceship warriors. No word about gankers, fhew... I can't help but notice that you are ignoring my question. Every gank would be punished the same, but with explanation what is player puniishment in case he would try first time. And because the efects would be still unpredictable, I am not a prophet. I only think this would work for more people. Still EVE would be EVE, but with less whine.
New player always make new characters from my experience, I made myself a lot of them in beginning.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
465
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Posted - 2016.07.26 15:55:54 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:ISK value: Mainly freighter ganks. Solo to Gang relation: Autopilot podding, shuttle ganking, that kind of stuff. The sort of "play style" that allows you to watch Family Guy reruns at the same time. Gotta love "content creation" ... where ever it's found.
Someone from CCP said "honorable"? Now, I've heard it all.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 15:59:08 -
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Sustrai Aditua wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:ISK value: Mainly freighter ganks. Solo to Gang relation: Autopilot podding, shuttle ganking, that kind of stuff. The sort of "play style" that allows you to watch Family Guy reruns at the same time. Gotta love "content creation" ... where ever it's found. Someone from CCP said "honorable"? Now, I've heard it all. Boring stuff should have been gone away long time before. CCP now uses other players for punishing you if you want to skip watching space slideshow, that because its easier for them. But it hurts the game on the longer run in my perspective.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
300
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:02:47 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Ugh, maybe I should make something else. Like read a blog where CCP writes: Quote:Greetings again honorable spaceship warriors. No word about gankers, fhew... I can't help but notice that you are ignoring my question. Every gank would be punished the same, but with explanation what is player puniishment in case he would try first time. And because the efects would be still unpredictable, I am not a prophet. I only think this would work for more people. Still EVE would be EVE, but with less whine. New player always make new characters from my experience, I made myself a lot of them in beginning. I do not share your optimism that people would suddenly begin reading warning pop-ups (they never have before)...
Nor am I optimistic that a 2-day old character who finds out a game literally has an option that if he clicks 3 buttons and says "ok" on a warning window he is completely ****ed and literally can't ever do anything in EVE again - at least until after he has made an entirely new character or payed money for a game he hasn't even played yet to hide in station for a month or 2 (whatever your length of banishment is)... |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
978
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:04:43 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:confirming, its like fishing for people with a Hubris lure.
That's the best kind of lure for people.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:08:17 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Ugh, maybe I should make something else. Like read a blog where CCP writes: Quote:Greetings again honorable spaceship warriors. No word about gankers, fhew... I can't help but notice that you are ignoring my question. Every gank would be punished the same, but with explanation what is player puniishment in case he would try first time. And because the efects would be still unpredictable, I am not a prophet. I only think this would work for more people. Still EVE would be EVE, but with less whine. New player always make new characters from my experience, I made myself a lot of them in beginning. I do not share your optimism that people would suddenly begin reading warning pop-ups (they never have before)... Nor am I optimistic that a 2-day old character who finds out a game literally has an option that if he clicks 3 buttons and says "ok" on a warning window he is completely ****ed and literally can't ever do anything in EVE again - at least until after he has made an entirely new character or payed money for a game he hasn't even played yet to hide in station for a month or 2 (whatever your length of banishment is)... You are underestimating new player I think. He is here to explore all aspects. And new character after the first one after undocking from the station is not a big deal. And you are giving him choice, its his decision, you have clear hands.
You can give someone a spaceship and say that he will be persecuted for using it wrong way, and punished severely. Is that real world science fiction, for me it is.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
302
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:09:59 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:You are underestimating new player I think. He is here to explore all aspects. And new character after the first one after undocking from the station is not a big deal. And you are giving him choice, its his decision, you have clear hands. So, in your opinion, new players are leaving the game because they get suicide ganked a few times...
But when the game itself allows them to essentially nuke their own cherished character in a much more real and lasting sense, they'll bounce right back?
You sir are delusional. |
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
90
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:13:36 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:You are underestimating new player I think. He is here to explore all aspects. And new character after the first one after undocking from the station is not a big deal. And you are giving him choice, its his decision, you have clear hands. So, in your opinion, new players are leaving the game because they get suicide ganked a few times... But when the game itself allows them to essentially nuke their own cherished character in a much more real and lasting sense, they'll bounce right back? You sir are delusional.
I've come to the conclusion this person actually has no idea what they are talking about nor actually want from the game. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:14:36 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:You are underestimating new player I think. He is here to explore all aspects. And new character after the first one after undocking from the station is not a big deal. And you are giving him choice, its his decision, you have clear hands. So, in your opinion, new players are leaving the game because they get suicide ganked a few times... But when the game itself allows them to essentially nuke their own cherished character in a much more real and lasting sense, they'll bounce right back? You sir are delusional. No, no no, you were talking about new player trying ganking now. I never wrote that new player is ganked and leaves because of that. Its nonsense. My proposition had more to it. Its more deeper than that. Its about whole perception of game, by making some changes to puynishment, changing WIKI article even because of that.
I think you dont understand what I already wrote in all of those posts if now you.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Caco De'mon
New Order Logistics CODE.
3
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:14:58 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:CCP now uses other players for punishing you if you want to skip watching space slideshow, that because its easier for them.
If YOU choose to mine or haul then that's YOUR choice. If YOU then choose to watch YouTube, as it's so dull, then that's also YOUR choice. Don't blame CCP for the choices YOU made that lead to YOUR ship getting atomized.
Entitled HS'ers... |
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:15:39 -
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Cien Banchiere wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:You are underestimating new player I think. He is here to explore all aspects. And new character after the first one after undocking from the station is not a big deal. And you are giving him choice, its his decision, you have clear hands. So, in your opinion, new players are leaving the game because they get suicide ganked a few times... But when the game itself allows them to essentially nuke their own cherished character in a much more real and lasting sense, they'll bounce right back? You sir are delusional. I've come to the conclusion this person actually has no idea what they are talking about nor actually want from the game. Oh and you are also mistaken by reading that response and believing it.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Judaa K'Marr
Power-Hug Training Bootcamp
18
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:15:50 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:You all are telling me:
- This alliance plays in almost exclusively High Security
- They can use a 10 mil ship to kill a 280 mil ship easily
- They can decide targets and kill them with no risks and no problem.
Statistic says:
- They killed about 30 trillions of ships and lost about 1 trillion of ships value.
- They did it with a 74% or solo ratio.
I think all of this deserves an answer from a Developer, if Falcon or not it's the same, I've read he was a pirate so I suppose he knows the reasons better than anyone else ( maybe he was in that alliance too, I really don't know).
They are enabled to do that. If highsec miners would use tank procurers orbiting with AB on then both miner bumping + ganking would be rare. If freighters would not carry more than could be killed with n/2 value of gank ships freighter ganking would be rare. It would still happen for the lulz, but that ratio would be way way lower.
Some people would say this is "blaming the victim", but well, sometimes it's true that the victim is to blame. I can't change the truth. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:16:48 -
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Caco De'mon wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:CCP now uses other players for punishing you if you want to skip watching space slideshow, that because its easier for them. If YOU choose to mine or haul then that's YOUR choice. If YOU then choose to watch YouTube, as it's so dull, then that's also YOUR choice. Don't blame CCP for the choices YOU made that lead to YOUR ship getting atomized. Entitled HS'ers...
Yet cpace slideshow is boring and must go away. Every game developer will say it to you.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:19:42 -
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I have never said new player is ganked and leaves because of that. Some may, but actual damage is to people who dont want to try, and ones who are established eve players.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
303
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:20:12 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:You are underestimating new player I think. He is here to explore all aspects. And new character after the first one after undocking from the station is not a big deal. And you are giving him choice, its his decision, you have clear hands. So, in your opinion, new players are leaving the game because they get suicide ganked a few times... But when the game itself allows them to essentially nuke their own cherished character in a much more real and lasting sense, they'll bounce right back? You sir are delusional. No, no no, you were talking about new player trying ganking now. I never wrote that new player is ganked and leaves because of that. Its nonsense. My proposition had more to it. Its more deeper than that. Its about whole perception of game, by making some changes to puynishment, changing WIKI article even because of that. I think you dont understand what I already wrote in all of those posts if now you write that. I have seen a lot of new players go criminal. It is usually an accident. They don't read the warnings.
I am talking about what your proposed severe punishment is going to do to them.
They make 1 mistake (and they will) - and *boom* - they are essentially dead. They have no skills, they have no ship, they have no isk, and they can't even undock in high sec.
As for denying that ganking pushes people out of the game now......If ganking isn't a problem, why do you want to change it? |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
489
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:21:28 -
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I have to be missing something here.
I have been a HiSec resident from the start of this toon. I have ventured into WH space, dropped into Lo/Null. I haven't seen an epidemic of ganking and I live right next to Uedama.
I have been attempted locked ONCE by a potential Suicide monkey. I was alert and was already warping by the time I was being yellow boxed, no chance of getting me. I was in a Stabbed and quick spin Miasmos with less than 7mil of cargo. That was my only encounter with suicide ganking in 6 months. I've only lost 1 ship to another player and that was due to my own inexperience and stupidity.
So, what is this epidemic of suicide ganking that I'm supposed to be shaking in my boots over?
I'll say it again, take me out and I will make certain to make your life miserable, one way or the other. There is only one way to effectively deal with bullies and racketeers:
The Chicago Way
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:24:10 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:You are underestimating new player I think. He is here to explore all aspects. And new character after the first one after undocking from the station is not a big deal. And you are giving him choice, its his decision, you have clear hands. So, in your opinion, new players are leaving the game because they get suicide ganked a few times... But when the game itself allows them to essentially nuke their own cherished character in a much more real and lasting sense, they'll bounce right back? You sir are delusional. No, no no, you were talking about new player trying ganking now. I never wrote that new player is ganked and leaves because of that. Its nonsense. My proposition had more to it. Its more deeper than that. Its about whole perception of game, by making some changes to puynishment, changing WIKI article even because of that. I think you dont understand what I already wrote in all of those posts if now you write that. I have seen a lot of new players go criminal. It is usually an accident. They don't read the warnings. I am talking about what your proposed severe punishment is going to do to them. They make 1 mistake (and they will) - and *boom* - they are essentially dead. They have no skills, they have no ship, they have no isk, and they can't even undock in high sec. As for denying that ganking pushes people out of the game now......If ganking isn't a problem, why do you want to change it? Clearly you have not read all of my responses, dont try to ask about what was already in them., I will not repeat myself over and over. Its an issue that needs solving in delicate manner.
And on that note, I think I had enough conversations today, because its all too much for you. You have not been able to grasp in entirety.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:28:14 -
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I just noticed my link to the zkill was removed by isd |
Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
303
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:30:15 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Clearly you have not read all of my responses, dont try to ask about what was already in them., I will not repeat myself over and over. Its an issue that needs solving in delicate manner.
And on that note, I think I had enough conversations today, because its all too much for you. You have not been able to grasp in entirety.
I dont think CCP grasps it also. Well others have already said - since you want to fundamentally change all of EVE - find a different game....
I'm just trying to talk about 1 specific point, not your entire grand plan.
If you can't answer 1 basic objection about 1 detail of your plan, I really don't see any point in moving on to the grand scheme and the many other flaws waiting to be discovered... |
Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
303
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:31:01 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:I just noticed my link to the zkill was removed by isd Technically killmail links are against forum rules entirely - you are lucky they haven't just locked your thread yet |
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:31:06 -
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I have never said new player is ganked and leaves because of that. Some may, but actual damage is to people who dont want to try, and ones who are established eve players.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:31:59 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:I just noticed my link to the zkill was removed by isd Technically killmail links are against forum rules entirely - you are lucky they haven't just locked your thread yet
Really? Didn't know about it.
So where can statistic be found "officially"?
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Caco De'mon
New Order Logistics CODE.
3
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:32:12 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:I have to be missing something here.
I suggest you (and anyone interested) roll play a CODE agent for a day. You don't need to actually gank anyone but just hunt for miners with a known ganker ship and you will quickly see why they tears flow so easily for these types.
You respect your environment and those around you. You are aware. You know that threats can come at any time from any direction. You realize that to somebody, you are just a target and you act accordingly. Almost all my victims don't even move.....aren't even aligned....are still in their pods when I return for the loot...
These types do none of that. They park on the 0 and flip their lasers on while they hit play on some video. As you only have seconds to react in EVE, chatting, watching vids or doing something else is not recommended...but these types feel that they are entitled to be 100% safe, earning ISK all the while doing something else...
I commend you for your situational awareness and space work ethics. I hope to never cross you as I believe your warning....
HighSec life isn't the problem, it's how some live that life that is...
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14354
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:33:38 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:I have to be missing something here. I have been a HiSec resident from the start of this toon. I have ventured into WH space, dropped into Lo/Null. I haven't seen an epidemic of ganking and I live right next to Uedama. I have been attempted locked ONCE by a potential Suicide monkey. I was alert and was already warping by the time I was being yellow boxed, no chance of getting me. I was in a Stabbed and quick spin Miasmos with less than 7mil of cargo. That was my only encounter with suicide ganking in 6 months. I've only lost 1 ship to another player and that was due to my own inexperience and stupidity. So, what is this epidemic of suicide ganking that I'm supposed to be shaking in my boots over? I'll say it again, take me out and I will make certain to make your life miserable, one way or the other. There is only one way to effectively deal with bullies and racketeers: The Chicago Way
You aren't missing anything, the reason why you (and I, and many others) never have these problems (I've lost a shuttle and 2 pods to CODE/Goons in high sec ganks) , problems that compel others to make forum thread after forum thread because they suffer gank after gank, is contained in your own sig:
Quote:Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later
There are two types of people in this situation: The people who are aware of what's going on around them , and if they suffer a bad turn their FIRST thought is "what did I do wrong, what am I missing, how can I do better next time". Then there are those others who suffer a bad turn (oe see someone else suffer one) and immediately jump to "this is an outrage, this should not be allowed, there ought to be a law against this!!".
The 1st type is inward looking and understands that the only thing you are in control of (and thus the only thing you can reliably change) is yourself. The 2nd type is outward looking and tries to manipulate their environment to fit them rather than adapting to fit their environment. The 2nd type thinks that everything they are doing is perfect, it's that other guy over there that needs to change, thus the 2nd type never improves and always faces the same results.
As you might have noticed, I'm not a fan of the 2nd type |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2716
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:34:19 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:I just noticed my link to the zkill was removed by isd Posting kills is not allowed in this forum part.
Personally I think CODE. does a largely undervalued but very necessary service to New Eden.
... and serious note, all those who compare New Eden to real life rules, forget to do a proper translation. What if in real life we all would be immortal demi-gods? What do you think the society would look like in a few thousand years? I'm not optimistic ... it would be much closer to New Eden than you might expect.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:34:24 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Clearly you have not read all of my responses, dont try to ask about what was already in them., I will not repeat myself over and over. Its an issue that needs solving in delicate manner.
And on that note, I think I had enough conversations today, because its all too much for you. You have not been able to grasp in entirety.
I dont think CCP grasps it also. Well others have already said - since you want to fundamentally change all of EVE - find a different game.... I'm just trying to talk about 1 specific point, not your entire grand plan. If you can't answer 1 basic objection about 1 detail of your plan, I really don't see any point in moving on to the grand scheme and the many other flaws waiting to be discovered... I know its hard, and I am not a developer. I thought they were. Just a few thought out suggestions rather than propositions that would need maybe a little tweaking. You get the general idea, Maybe it is somewhat flaved, but for me it has a lot of potential, and if that potential can be build upon, to make some actual feature, well. I think EVE would get better for potential players.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:38:24 -
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Caco De'mon wrote:Pandora Carrollon wrote:I have to be missing something here. I suggest you (and anyone interested) roll play a CODE agent for a day. You don't need to actually gank anyone but just hunt for miners with a known ganker ship and you will quickly see why they tears flow so easily for these types. You respect your environment and those around you. You are aware. You know that threats can come at any time from any direction. You realize that to somebody, you are just a target and you act accordingly. These types do none of that. They park on the 0 and flip their lasers on while they hit play on some video. As you only have seconds to react in EVE, chatting, watching vids or doing something else is not recommended...but these types feel that they are entitled to be 100% safe, earning ISK all the while doing something else... I commend you for your situational awareness and space work ethics. I hope to never cross you are I believe your warning.... HighSec life isn't the problem, it's how some live that life that is... o7
So why CCP made a so really really slow mining system?
When I do gas huffing it's fast, dangerous but fast.
I cannot believe any person with a normal intelligence can imagine a player stays in front of his pc pressing dscan to avoid ganking while it takes half an hour of mining to have a little value.
No one can imagine that persons stay 100% of their time in front of their pc pressing d-scan for hours for a little amount of value.
No one would do it more than a couple of days without quitting the game.
It's impossible in my opinion that developers justify ganking because hisec players are supposed to see a mining laser of a ship for hours pressing dscan to avoid ganking.
It's something too stupid. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:39:33 -
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ITS really a lot of stuff to change for better when I think about that now.
I get its like a completely other game. Can EVE become it one day? Hmmm, i dont have anything to lose, i will wait and see.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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ISD Max Trix
isd community communications liaisons
286
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:44:52 -
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Thread closed for redundancy. The ganker anti ganker debate is a battle fought longer than the Forever War.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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