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James Zimmer
D3RP Clan
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Posted - 2016.08.01 01:44:07 -
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I've had some odd rat aggro switches today. Mission rats that I've never seen target drones, like mission battleships, have been targeting my drones. Anyone else experiencing odd aggro switches? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55873
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Posted - 2016.08.01 04:20:24 -
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I know CCP made some changes a while back on how NPC's behave, making them attack drones in the same class and higher. Basically that was suppose to eliminate afk action for players with drone boats.
I may be wrong but the way I understand it is the small hull class NPC's will target light drones and up. Medium hull class NPC's will target medium drones and up. Large hull class NPC's will target large drones and up.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Roci Nantes
Spongeworks Ltd. Snuggle Struggle.
38
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Posted - 2016.08.01 14:29:20 -
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I can't find it but I know someone posted about a "glitch" that was reintroduced not that long ago. Can't remember the details but the fix was to setup a safe spot in the system.. fly there.. eject... then get back into your ship. Something about that reset the way drones were being targeted.
Maybe that will help and if I find out posted the original fix then I'll link it. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14364
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Posted - 2016.08.01 14:34:48 -
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Roci Nantes wrote:I can't find it but I know someone posted about a "glitch" that was reintroduced not that long ago. Can't remember the details but the fix was to setup a safe spot in the system.. fly there.. eject... then get back into your ship. Something about that reset the way drones were being targeted.
Maybe that will help and if I find out posted the original fix then I'll link it.
hmmm, sounds familiar. |
Nisstyre NiteWalker
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2016.08.02 07:12:52 -
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They really need to change it back, I know afking is kinda BS but they have made it overkill running missions in my Pally i can't hit frigs unless i use my light drones but the damn things insta lock my light drones and kill them before i can even recall. It's launch they start dying recall lose 1 or 2 per cycle which is costing me isk and it takes 30 minutes just to kill frig cause i am constantly launching and recalling i lose about 2 per frig and some missions have so many i have to go back to station and restock it ruins blitzing plus the isk loss hurts my ticks. They need to either calm the aggro down or make it where you don't have to kill frigs to continue on with the mission. And before the flaming starts, PVE is a part of this game and some ppl enjoy it, if CCP wants to just destroy PVE just go ahead and make the entire game low and null sec, but they can't do that cause half there subscribers would quit. Stop making it so PVE's can't make fast isk they are only doing this stuff so ppl will be forces to buy plexs and aur to supplement the isk to enjoy the game which is really crappy on CCPs part anyways sorry for the rant just getting annoyed with the constant gimps to PVE. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
498
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Posted - 2016.08.02 07:28:53 -
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I know it's no consolation but warping in at range (where you have the option) and taking out the smaller targets before launching the drones help. Obviously if you are limited to 10k or so range you are going to have problems as they close you down.
It's why I mainly use energy weapons with tracking computers, I can switch from range to tracking scripts instantly, same with ammo. Having 30-70k range helps a lot. |
Nisstyre NiteWalker
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2016.08.02 07:49:27 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:I know it's no consolation but warping in at range (where you have the option) and taking out the smaller targets before launching the drones help. Obviously if you are limited to 10k or so range you are going to have problems as they close you down.
It's why I mainly use energy weapons with tracking computers, I can switch from range to tracking scripts instantly, same with ammo. Having 30-70k range helps a lot.
This is true its still takes time tho Pally's don't lock frigs very fast but that's not all that sucks at the best of times you can get 20 mill a tick which is 60 mill an hour where as null sec guys can get 300-500 million and hour and yes i know that's tons of risk but with a good corp alliance and controlled space that risk becomes almost 0, and lets be honest 60 million an hour isn't crap i mean 10 hours non stop for 600 million where as the null sec guys can make that in an hour. And if your doing PVE to fund your PVP which is the best part of this game and which i do on my main, 600 million is what 2 very good BS which you can lose in 2 minutes if your not careful or have a bad night but it takes ya 10 hours to get it, and i am not saying make PVE where it's cake and we make 250-500 million an hour just give us a small break with the aggro on our drones that's not to much to ask. Heck just make it to where if a player doesn't activate a module or fire a weapon or give the drones a command every 60 seconds that person is logged out of the game problem solved. Ok i will shut up now i said my piece |
Jozhin Z Bazhin
Legendary Purpose AL3XAND3R.
9
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Posted - 2016.08.02 14:01:32 -
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Nisstyre NiteWalker wrote:running missions in my Pally Pally sucks, use Dominix. LMJD away and kill all small rats form 100 KM as they are burning toward you with 0 transversal. Sentry drones melt them hard with 0 ammunition costs and no need to swap cristalls to change the range. One rig, three omnidirectional tracking computers and optimal for wardens is about 150 km, curators - over 100. |
Nisstyre NiteWalker
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2016.08.02 17:22:19 -
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Jozhin Z Bazhin wrote:[quote=Nisstyre NiteWalker]running missions in my Pally Pally sucks, use Dominix. LMJD away and kill all small rats form 100 KM as they are burning toward you with 0 transversal. Sentry drones melt them hard with 0 ammunition costs and no need to swap cristalls to change the range. One rig, three omnidirectional tracking computers and optimal for wardens is about 150 km, curators - over 100.[/quote
Domi is not ideal for level 4's you would be pwned 95% of the time and even if you could do it the amount of micro managing just to stay alive is BS for 20 million isk ticks, for such crappy pay you should be about to just relax and do it, not doing PVE like that for crap rewards to have to work hard as hell. Now if they up rat bounties and make it about 80-100 million a tick then hell ya i will work my ass off, but thats all moot i only run level 4's to get my standing back up from PVPing but i am blessed with a good job and buy AUR for my 4 toons i SP farm and buy plexs to support my PVP habit but 10's of thousands of other players can't do that, think about it they had to spend prolly a billion or more for skills books year or more of training all the while grinding level 1-3 missions just so they could pay for all those skill books implants ships and what not. How is that fair all that time and money to get to level 4 missions to only be rewarded 20 mill a tick working your ass off just to stay alive. If you do the math it would take years running level 4 missions 10 hours a day 7 days a week just to break even on all those things. The fact no one sees a problem with this is really sad and before anyone says go to Null, A lot of ppl enjoy PVE and don't want to go to Null, they want to just play PVE eve, yes this is a PVP heavy game but why did CCP bother to even put PVE in like i said before if they want to do ppl like that remove high sec altogether. But here is the kicker if they did that it would cripple if not destroy the game PVPers just don't realize how much they depend on the PVEers the miners crafters if there was no high sec and safe area for these players the economy would collapse or things would cost so much you would spend more time PVEing yourself just to PVP with no safe areas at all trade routes would be destroyed moving items would be way to risky the miners would dry up other then Null sec cause the PVEers would quit cause they would be ganked more then they mined. But anyways it doesn't effect me cause i don't care about the PVE ticks just doing them for standing was trying to make a point for all the ppl that do depend on PVE for their living. |
Roci Nantes
Spongeworks Ltd. Snuggle Struggle.
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Posted - 2016.08.02 17:49:22 -
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Frigates and drones, I think, that really is just a hurdle that has to be managed. Too many people using drones, in high tank ships while drones roam around freely and rip everything up. CCP has taken quite a few swings at drones, so I wouldn't expect that to change in the drones favor, any time soon. You can do a few things like wait till you have aggro and unleash them till they get targeted etc etc..
I learned you don't always get to fly the ship you want. Not if you expect max returns. From a marauder standpoint the golem can apply dps to frigates, so might just be a better fit.. it has drones but you don't normally let them out till you clear the frigs or at least most of them. Same thing if you want to blitz... if you want to do it best.. you use a Machariel...
There is always a "best" for some kind of action in most mmos...
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Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
19
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Posted - 2016.08.02 20:09:29 -
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Nisstyre NiteWalker wrote:Jozhin Z Bazhin wrote:[quote=Nisstyre NiteWalker]running missions in my Pally Pally sucks, use Dominix. LMJD away and kill all small rats form 100 KM as they are burning toward you with 0 transversal. Sentry drones melt them hard with 0 ammunition costs and no need to swap cristalls to change the range. One rig, three omnidirectional tracking computers and optimal for wardens is about 150 km, curators - over 100.[/quote Domi is not ideal for level 4's you would be pwned 95% of the time and even if you could do it the amount of micro managing just to stay alive is BS for 20 million isk ticks, for such crappy pay you should be about to just relax and do it, not doing PVE like that for crap rewards to have to work hard as hell. Now if they up rat bounties and make it about 80-100 million a tick then hell ya i will work my ass off, but thats all moot i only run level 4's to get my standing back up from PVPing but i am blessed with a good job and buy AUR for my 4 toons i SP farm and buy plexs to support my PVP habit but 10's of thousands of other players can't do that, think about it they had to spend prolly a billion or more for skills books year or more of training all the while grinding level 1-3 missions just so they could pay for all those skill books implants ships and what not. How is that fair all that time and money to get to level 4 missions to only be rewarded 20 mill a tick working your ass off just to stay alive. If you do the math it would take years running level 4 missions 10 hours a day 7 days a week just to break even on all those things. The fact no one sees a problem with this is really sad and before anyone says go to Null, A lot of ppl enjoy PVE and don't want to go to Null, they want to just play PVE eve, yes this is a PVP heavy game but why did CCP bother to even put PVE in like i said before if they want to do ppl like that remove high sec altogether. But here is the kicker if they did that it would cripple if not destroy the game PVPers just don't realize how much they depend on the PVEers the miners crafters if there was no high sec and safe area for these players the economy would collapse or things would cost so much you would spend more time PVEing yourself just to PVP with no safe areas at all trade routes would be destroyed moving items would be way to risky the miners would dry up other then Null sec cause the PVEers would quit cause they would be ganked more then they mined. But anyways it doesn't effect me cause i don't care about the PVE ticks just doing them for standing was trying to make a point for all the ppl that do depend on PVE for their living.
Wtf are you smoking? A domi crushes L4s cheaply and safely. There is basically no better bs if you mission in lowsec. You can fit a dual LAR brick tank, an injector, MJD, an AB, and neuts. Being pwnd 95% of the time... by NPCs? If you fit a domi correctly you wont even be pwnt by the low sec pirates that probe out your mission, much less even be an attractive target to them. Domi is all sorts of ugly, the good kind as well as the bad.
my other nano is a polycarb
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James Zimmer
D3RP Clan
47
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Posted - 2016.08.02 21:54:23 -
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Thanks for the info on the bug fix. I'll try that if it happens again. Losing two heavy drones within 20 seconds to battleship rats is no fun. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
981
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Posted - 2016.08.02 23:50:02 -
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I'd say loosing lights in less than five seconds after launching them because many frig rats instantly change locks and can snipe them like a pro is no fun. It'd help if they didn't stop between each target and sit completely still for several seconds too.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55914
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Posted - 2016.08.03 07:54:28 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:I'd say loosing lights in less than five seconds after launching them because many frig rats instantly change locks and can snipe them like a pro is no fun. It'd help if they didn't stop between each target and sit completely still for several seconds too. Try commanding the Drones to attack a different locked target before the original target is destroyed.
Drago Shouna wrote:I know it's no consolation but warping in at range (where you have the option) and taking out the smaller targets before launching the drones help. Obviously if you are limited to 10k or so range you are going to have problems as they close you down.
It's why I mainly use energy weapons with tracking computers, I can switch from range to tracking scripts instantly, same with ammo. Having 30-70k range helps a lot. I usually do this too, target and destroy all small hull class NPC's from range asap before launching Drones.
Of course every once in a while one of them will get in close under my guns. When that happens I'll either tank it until the other small hull class NPC's are destroyed or if it's an EWAR NPC, I'll quickly launch Drones onto it and when it's destroyed, quickly recall the Drones to keep them from being destroyed by the other small hull class NPC's.
After that I'll get in close to the medium and large hull class NPC's and launch Drones to help apply DPS. I've found this to be the best way to keep my Drones intact.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Aaron Raus
Diving club
11
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Posted - 2016.08.03 08:18:44 -
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Nisstyre NiteWalker wrote: Domi is not ideal for level 4's you would be pwned 95% of the time and even if you could do it the amount of micro managing just to stay alive is BS for 20 million isk ticks, for such crappy pay you should be about to just relax
Umm, actually Domi is a RELAX ship to do L4 missions in high sec... [Dominix, bling fit range tank] Drone Damage Amplifier II Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Heat Sink Damage Control II Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer
Large Micro Jump Drive Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II Large Ionic Field Projector II Large Drone Scope Chip II
Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Curator II x5
You need couple of implants to fit that Mini-Moros...
With garde II it produces over 930 DPS with 40 km optimal or with curators II and aurora it is 800 dps with 115 optimal, with 0 recharge times. So you LMJD 100-150 km away from rats (150 is still optimal for wardens) and killing rats with stable fire and 0 micromanagement what so ever. Drones even firing if you jammed to oblivion, you know? Like FoF missiles but without damage delays... Range tank ftw.
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Wombat65Au Egdald
Iudicium
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Posted - 2016.08.03 11:29:47 -
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Nikea Tiber wrote:
Wtf are you smoking? A domi crushes L4s cheaply and safely. There is basically no better bs if you mission in lowsec. You can fit a dual LAR brick tank, an injector, MJD, an AB, and neuts. Being pwnd 95% of the time... by NPCs? If you fit a domi correctly you wont even be pwnt by the low sec pirates that probe out your mission, much less even be an attractive target to them. Domi is all sorts of ugly, the good kind as well as the bad.
One question. Neuts for PVE or for dealing with players that turn up to make your mission more exciting? To the best of my knowledge, NPC caps aren't affected by neuts, but nos's should work on NPC ships. Then again, I might be wrong on that detail.
As for Domi's in L4, I'm fairly new to L4's but I'm doing ok in a Domi so far. Still learning the details of the various missions at the moment. |
Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
19
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Posted - 2016.08.03 13:20:21 -
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Neuts are there for if you mission in low sec or null, or are a war target in high sec, and are used to cap out players that are attacking you. A heavy neut will cap out a frigate in a single cycle. A frigate without cap cant run a point or prop mod. If you are really paranoid ypu can even carry a flight of light ecm drones for that extra little bit of gtfo in case things are going wrong (from players). Depending on where you mission, players may or may not be an issue, and even if they are, a domi usually isnt much of a kb prize.
my other nano is a polycarb
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Wombat65Au Egdald
Iudicium
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Posted - 2016.08.03 15:36:48 -
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I know what a neut does, I wasn't sure if you were suggesting neuts for use in PVE or in case of surprise PVP. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5142
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Posted - 2016.08.13 07:15:00 -
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It's a sad reality that missions are already tedious enough without having to add the tedium of drone micromanagement (launch, attack, recall, repeat)... Unfortunately there's no "go-to" weapons platform or system that is ideal for mission running (at least insofar as I've found yet).
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Etheric Waradian
Dwarf Associates
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Posted - 2016.08.14 19:35:13 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:It's a sad reality that missions are already tedious enough without having to add the tedium of drone micromanagement (launch, attack, recall, repeat)... Unfortunately there's no "go-to" weapons platform or system that is ideal for mission running (at least insofar as I've found yet). Actually you can set a shortcut for returning drones to bay. What would be awesome is the ability to assign a shortcut to deploying a drone group. Having to unfold the "drones in bay" tab, then go through the context menu is really cumbersome. |
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Gorr Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
17
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Posted - 2016.08.15 09:25:57 -
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Etheric Waradian wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:It's a sad reality that missions are already tedious enough without having to add the tedium of drone micromanagement (launch, attack, recall, repeat)... Unfortunately there's no "go-to" weapons platform or system that is ideal for mission running (at least insofar as I've found yet). Actually you can set a shortcut for returning drones to bay. What would be awesome is the ability to assign a shortcut to deploying a drone group. Having to unfold the "drones in bay" tab, then go through the context menu is really cumbersome. Not the same thing, I know, but drag&drop from drone bay works. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5143
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Posted - 2016.08.15 09:29:06 -
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Etheric Waradian wrote:Actually you can set a shortcut for returning drones to bay. What would be awesome is the ability to assign a shortcut to deploying a drone group. Having to unfold the "drones in bay" tab, then go through the context menu is really cumbersome. Yes of course, I was just referring to the lack of mobility that results when utilizing sentry drones -or- the lead time in assigning and recalling light, medium or heavy drones (wash, rinse, repeat...). Even with various modules drones still manage to constantly attract NPC aggro and having to recall and redeploy seriously hinders DPS. I agree that a launch 'shortcut' would go a long way towards improving various aspects of drone operation - including an overhaul along the lines of the new fighters.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Big Cyc
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
6
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:30:02 -
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back to the topic, i experienced same thing with drones, cruisers always targeting my heavy drones and dont even try to lock me (like it was before patchnotes) also they ignore ecm burst and other kind of ewar, leaving and entering ship dont fix it
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
996
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Posted - 2016.08.19 22:00:53 -
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Wombat65Au Egdald wrote:I know what a neut does, I wasn't sure if you were suggesting neuts for use in PVE or in case of surprise PVP.
Oddly enough, rats do operate under at times unusual conditions compared to players under the same situations. One case in point is the rumor that neuts reduce the likelihood of rat NPCs cycling their reppers. Not an ideal sense of reasoning even if it were true, but the extra help it might offer in handling another player would indeed be enough for many to pack one or two just for the peace of mind alone anyways.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
821
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Posted - 2016.08.19 22:40:28 -
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battleships targeting small drones...
Sounds like a funny sight to be seen! |
Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
406
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Posted - 2016.08.21 00:29:28 -
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I quit flying drone boats a long time ago. The micromanaging after the NPC change is just not worth it anymore so I just go with gun and missile ships. I might have a flight of light drones just in case but I rarely use them if I am flying my Vargur.
MJD and snipe the frigs heading straight at you, then tank the rest like a baws. Tractor and salvage as you lay waste and devastation in front of you.
Profit.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Fade Azura
Logistics and Salvage Express Services
166
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Posted - 2016.09.01 16:44:00 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:I quit flying drone boats a long time ago. The micromanaging after the NPC change is just not worth it anymore so I just go with gun and missile ships. I might have a flight of light drones just in case but I rarely use them if I am flying my Vargur.
MJD and snipe the frigs heading straight at you, then tank the rest like a baws. Tractor and salvage as you lay waste and devastation in front of you.
Profit.
yeah the micromanagement can get annoying ... although the gecko on the rattlesnake can take a ridiculous amount of damage for a drone |
aldhura
The Locker Room
96
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Posted - 2016.09.01 19:35:15 -
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Nisstyre NiteWalker wrote:They really need to change it back, I know afking is kinda BS but they have made it overkill running missions in my Pally i can't hit frigs unless i use my light drones but the damn things insta lock my light drones and kill them before i can even recall. It's launch they start dying recall lose 1 or 2 per cycle which is costing me isk and it takes 30 minutes just to kill frig cause i am constantly launching and recalling i lose about 2 per frig and some missions have so many i have to go back to station and restock it ruins blitzing plus the isk loss hurts my ticks. They need to either calm the aggro down or make it where you don't have to kill frigs to continue on with the mission. And before the flaming starts, PVE is a part of this game and some ppl enjoy it, if CCP wants to just destroy PVE just go ahead and make the entire game low and null sec, but they can't do that cause half there subscribers would quit. Stop making it so PVE'ers can't make fast isk they are only doing this stuff so ppl will be forced to buy plexs and aur to supplement the isk to enjoy the game which is really crappy on CCPs part anyways sorry for the rant just getting annoyed with the constant gimps to PVE.
Don send your drones more that 10km, have them targeted and use one of your high slots for remote repping. Works like a charm. Takes some juggling to get them locked if they take aggro.
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