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Kei Nagasai
X-COM Navy Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2016.08.09 17:11:46 -
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So, Given that there's an o7 show this weekend, and theres "supposed" to be some rorq and barges changes this Fall, will there be any information about these changes in the show? |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.08.09 17:23:28 -
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Soon (tm)
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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Kei Nagasai
X-COM Navy Fidelas Constans
7
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Posted - 2016.08.09 17:32:41 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Soon (tm)
With how tight lipped CCP is being about these changes, you would think they were taking part in the manhattan project. Litrally makes no sense. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.09 17:35:30 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:SoonGäó seriously , hold alt then press 0 1 5 3
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2103
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Posted - 2016.08.09 17:38:01 -
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The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Kei Nagasai
X-COM Navy Fidelas Constans
7
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Posted - 2016.08.09 17:40:14 -
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Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is...
Don't give them any idea's, please. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1022
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Posted - 2016.08.09 19:16:08 -
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Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is...
And I thought I was cynical.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Judaa K'Marr
Power-Hug Training Bootcamp
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Posted - 2016.08.09 19:29:45 -
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The last I heard the rorq would enter a siege cycle that makes it and all industrial ships in fleet invulnerable for the cycle. |
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
392
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Posted - 2016.08.09 19:41:59 -
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I thought the show was just going to be a stream of the presenters playing NMS?
KB
Dum Spiro Spero
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2016.08.09 22:22:50 -
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Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... We must...what was my sig again?
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Hengle Teron
Order In Disorder Curatores Veritatis Alliance
60318
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Posted - 2016.08.10 01:52:50 -
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Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... I'll just leave this here,
Quote:Suicide Gank From: Dracvlad Sent: 2014.05.05 10:00 To: Second-Dawn,
Guys,
Nalvar was spotted ice mining in Dantan in a Mackinaw, if any of you are into suicide ganking and want to get back at the ***** who are camping TL this looks like a good target.
Regards
Dracvlad
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
102
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Posted - 2016.08.10 02:00:21 -
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Kei Nagasai wrote:ISD Max Trix wrote:Soon (tm) With how tight lipped CCP is being about these changes, you would think they were taking part in the manhattan project. Litrally makes no sense. They are that way with everything. I have never ever understood the secrecy that many video game companies go through.... |
Erebus Vain
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2016.08.10 08:04:47 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Kei Nagasai wrote:ISD Max Trix wrote:Soon (tm) With how tight lipped CCP is being about these changes, you would think they were taking part in the manhattan project. Litrally makes no sense. They are that way with everything. I have never ever understood the secrecy that many video game companies go through....
Being a billion dollar/pound industry means information can be worth a lot to the right people.
Plus, have you ever heard of hype? |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2107
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Posted - 2016.08.10 08:13:30 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... I'll just leave this here, Quote:Suicide Gank From: Dracvlad Sent: 2014.05.05 10:00 To: Second-Dawn,
Guys,
Nalvar was spotted ice mining in Dantan in a Mackinaw, if any of you are into suicide ganking and want to get back at the ***** who are camping TL this looks like a good target.
Regards
Dracvlad
Nothing wrong with that and no relationship, note the expression "ENTITLED GANKERS" I could hardly call myself that can I, the person detailed was in an alliance whose members were AFK cloaky camping a system with lots of belts, perfectly legitimate target in my book. But for the record I did note him quickly vacating Dantan so that mail did have some additional benefit...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2107
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Posted - 2016.08.10 08:14:18 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... We must...what was my sig again?
That you are an idiot...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2108
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Posted - 2016.08.10 08:32:36 -
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Kei Nagasai wrote:Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... Don't give them any idea's, please.
Actually that has already happened, there was quite a few threads by gankers complaining about the tanks of certain Exhumers and barges, furthermore I was told by a friend who went to fanfest that he heard a few conversations about this around certain people. I am expecting the tanks of the Skiff and Procurer to get a significant nerf, it could be that CCP will not do that, but I would not bet my house on it
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Kei Nagasai
X-COM Navy Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2016.08.10 10:24:04 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Kei Nagasai wrote:Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... Don't give them any idea's, please. Actually that has already happened, there was quite a few threads by gankers complaining about the tanks of certain Exhumers and barges, furthermore I was told by a friend who went to fanfest that he heard a few conversations about this around certain people. I am expecting the tanks of the Skiff and Procurer to get a significant nerf, it could be that CCP will not do that, but I would not bet my house on it
Well, if thats the road they go down, im done, it's bad enough that anyone who likes the industrial side of the game get s**t on by gankers and people of the game in general, calling us carebears and the like, even when CCP have described EvE as a sand box and we play how we like, but apparently not. |
Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3381
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Posted - 2016.08.10 11:44:54 -
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Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is...
nothing else can be protected by pos's while giving boosts, why should a rorq be any different?
you want to use a big lossmail ship then get a support fleet on standby
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2109
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Posted - 2016.08.10 11:57:18 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... nothing else can be protected by pos's while giving boosts, why should a rorq be any different? you want to use a big lossmail ship then get a support fleet on standby
So it won't get used then...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3382
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Posted - 2016.08.10 12:08:43 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... nothing else can be protected by pos's while giving boosts, why should a rorq be any different? you want to use a big lossmail ship then get a support fleet on standby So it won't get used then...
why not? removal skynetting carriers didnt stop carriers being used to rat.
then dont use them, ccp giving you tools to use on grid, your fear is not ccp's problem, they will be used in nullsec
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2109
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Posted - 2016.08.10 12:16:25 -
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Kei Nagasai wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Kei Nagasai wrote:Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... Don't give them any idea's, please. Actually that has already happened, there was quite a few threads by gankers complaining about the tanks of certain Exhumers and barges, furthermore I was told by a friend who went to fanfest that he heard a few conversations about this around certain people. I am expecting the tanks of the Skiff and Procurer to get a significant nerf, it could be that CCP will not do that, but I would not bet my house on it Well, if thats the road they go down, im done, it's bad enough that anyone who likes the industrial side of the game get s**t on by gankers and people of the game in general, calling us carebears and the like, even when CCP have described EvE as a sand box and we play how we like, but apparently not.
Well I think it is a wait and see, personally I think it would be stupid to set the Skiff so that a Kusion or Kusion clone could gank them on their own. If they do that then CCP are plain stupid. To me the Skiff and Procurer are fine as they are, mainly because I accept the loss of yield to be difficult to kill. If they are set the the level that they can be taken out by a Kusion then they are obviously pretty stupid.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Kei Nagasai
X-COM Navy Fidelas Constans
12
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Posted - 2016.08.10 12:24:14 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Kei Nagasai wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Kei Nagasai wrote:Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... Don't give them any idea's, please. Actually that has already happened, there was quite a few threads by gankers complaining about the tanks of certain Exhumers and barges, furthermore I was told by a friend who went to fanfest that he heard a few conversations about this around certain people. I am expecting the tanks of the Skiff and Procurer to get a significant nerf, it could be that CCP will not do that, but I would not bet my house on it Well, if thats the road they go down, im done, it's bad enough that anyone who likes the industrial side of the game get s**t on by gankers and people of the game in general, calling us carebears and the like, even when CCP have described EvE as a sand box and we play how we like, but apparently not. Well I think it is a wait and see, personally I think it would be stupid to set the Skiff so that a Kusion or Kusion clone could gank them on their own. If they do that then CCP are plain stupid. To me the Skiff and Procurer are fine as they are, mainly because I accept the loss of yield to be difficult to kill. If they are set the the level that they can be taken out by a Kusion then they are obviously pretty stupid.
These are the same people who thought aegis sov was a good idea. I think exhumers/barge should be balanced around the skiff/proc, hulk/covetor should be half the tank of the skiff/proc, and retriver/mack should sit inbetween the two. Yields should be given a minor buff across the board, and strip miners should be shifted away from the yield per cycle idea, and more towards the constant stream of ore at X rate. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2109
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Posted - 2016.08.10 12:26:45 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is... nothing else can be protected by pos's while giving boosts, why should a rorq be any different? you want to use a big lossmail ship then get a support fleet on standby So it won't get used then... why not? removal skynetting carriers didnt stop carriers being used to rat. then dont use them, ccp giving you tools to use on grid, your fear is not ccp's problem, they will be used in nullsec
I don't see any connection to carriers at all, I made a huge amount of ISK carrier ratting and never so the need to skynet either.
Yes you could get a Rorqual on grid easily enough, however boosting is going to become an AOE affect and assumed rather incorrectly that you knew that. This would make the Rorqual a lot more exposed than say a ratting carrier. When you make digs do try to think it through, simply if it was on grid then I would have no issue doing it and most miners in 0.0 too, but if it is say within 40 km in terms of the AOE then the chances of people using them are very low unless they are in a secure system. CCP has a habit of making indy ships easy to kill so...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2016.08.10 12:29:20 -
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Dracvlad wrote:...stupid...
...stupid...
...stupid. Miners: too greedy to pay for protection, too lazy to protect themselves.
Just wanna sit on a butt watching videos while collecting ISK and let no one touch it, 'cause otherwise it would be STUPID.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2109
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Posted - 2016.08.10 12:29:26 -
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Kei Nagasai wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Kei Nagasai wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Kei Nagasai wrote:Don't give them any idea's, please. Actually that has already happened, there was quite a few threads by gankers complaining about the tanks of certain Exhumers and barges, furthermore I was told by a friend who went to fanfest that he heard a few conversations about this around certain people. I am expecting the tanks of the Skiff and Procurer to get a significant nerf, it could be that CCP will not do that, but I would not bet my house on it Well, if thats the road they go down, im done, it's bad enough that anyone who likes the industrial side of the game get s**t on by gankers and people of the game in general, calling us carebears and the like, even when CCP have described EvE as a sand box and we play how we like, but apparently not. Well I think it is a wait and see, personally I think it would be stupid to set the Skiff so that a Kusion or Kusion clone could gank them on their own. If they do that then CCP are plain stupid. To me the Skiff and Procurer are fine as they are, mainly because I accept the loss of yield to be difficult to kill. If they are set the the level that they can be taken out by a Kusion then they are obviously pretty stupid. These are the same people who thought aegis sov was a good idea. I think exhumers/barge should be balanced around the skiff/proc, hulk/covetor should be half the tank of the skiff/proc, and retriver/mack should sit inbetween the two. Yields should be given a minor buff across the board, and strip miners should be shifted away from the yield per cycle idea, and more towards the constant stream of ore at X rate.
I hope they do what you suggested, if they did I would think that CCP are not completely bonkers...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3382
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Posted - 2016.08.10 12:42:20 -
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you dont see a connection to carriers at all? it was an example of an expensive ship which has been forced ongrid and hasn't crippled its use. maybe you made a huge amount of isk carrier ratting but skynet was obviously an issue which forced caps on grid and people to risk multi billion capitals
AoE Invulnerability for 5 mins so you can call for help Mining Fighters which provide yield comparable to a small fleet of barges it already has a jump drive.
I can see fleets of rorquals just jumping around wiping belts out
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2109
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Posted - 2016.08.10 12:53:57 -
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Lan Wang wrote:you dont see a connection to carriers at all? it was an example of an expensive ship which has been forced ongrid and hasn't crippled its use. maybe you made a huge amount of isk carrier ratting but skynet was obviously an issue which forced caps on grid and people to risk multi billion capitals
AoE Invulnerability for 5 mins so you can call for help Mining Fighters which provide yield comparable to a small fleet of barges it already has a jump drive.
I can see fleets of rorquals just jumping around wiping belts out
I never used it off grid, I always used it on grid, so there is no relationship for me. And carriers are not expensive.
That AOE invulnerability, LOL, just enable more people to arrive to get on the killmail in the majority of cases. But it might work as you suggested, with the reduced numbers of people it could be quite interesting for more risk orientated players in deep null. But in Providence for example just lots of dead Rorquals.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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bardghost Isu
Unity of Suns Warped Intentions
44
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Posted - 2016.08.10 12:57:12 -
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Lan Wang wrote:you dont see a connection to carriers at all? it was an example of an expensive ship which has been forced ongrid and hasn't crippled its use. maybe you made a huge amount of isk carrier ratting but skynet was obviously an issue which forced caps on grid and people to risk multi billion capitals
AoE Invulnerability for 5 mins so you can call for help Mining Fighters which provide yield comparable to a small fleet of barges it already has a jump drive.
I can see fleets of rorquals just jumping around wiping belts out
Rorquals wont even be touched after this, They are useless enough as it is to most people. And I've heard a lot of people talking about dropping use of them all together and just using orca's and taking the drop in yields. It'd be cheaper and less risk.
Orca = 700 Milion
Rorqual = 2.2 Billion
I could lose 3 orca's for every one rorqual.
Plus the rorqual will not last long, without a major buff to yields it'd be debatable that you'd even make the isk back to build a new one before it gets lost.
I'd rather take an orca and lose it every once a while without hurting my profits massively, than lose an rorqual that sets us back a good month or more.
There's No Kill Like Overkill !
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2110
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Posted - 2016.08.10 13:09:05 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6591193#post6591193
This got me thinking a bit, dangerous that, but persoally I would prefer this type of setup for mining then what we have now.
And yes this approach to mining would be a lot better for Eve in my opinion, seems like the Rorqual is moving towards that and if so a good thing...
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Valkin Mordirc
2291
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Posted - 2016.08.10 13:54:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:The Rorq will be forced to warp to the grid to give boosts giving people yet another easy expensive kill, while all the barges will have their tanks reduced back to the level of a wet paper bag so that entitled gankers can chest beat how great they are and how fail their prey is...
You just run in topic swinging. You know that?
I wasn't aware CCP planned on debuffing Barges EHP. Can you link that article/video that they mentioned it?
Also I don't really think anything dealing with the Rorq will effect Highsec miners. All barges seem to be in a pretty good spot. Each feels a role and there isn't really a cookie cutter.
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